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I don’t buy it, either. It’s mathematically makes no sense. Not with the uptick in votes from minorities.

We are on the same page, you just write more eloquently than I ever could.

Wow I used to like and respect your blog .. and what a “spiritual” thing to say, admitting ur a loud mouth asshole. And being proud of it . Spiritual reading and contemplation have really done you some good . And maybe before you act arrogant and claim not to care if u alienate readers, maybe u should think about that attitude since it is ur readers who support u and help u make a living .

I only wished I had known years ago that u were such a pompous prick. I could have saved myself hours of time instead of reading your blog .

Good riddance !

I like you just the way you are, and furthermore, I agree with you totally!

Thanks for writing this. It's a brave stance.

Bill, I don’t make any money off this blog, so whether or not I have readers will have no effect on my ability to earn a living. (I’m retired and don’t need to earn a living anyway.)

Also, I used to post political stuff all the time. Go back to the Bush years in the archives. In the last ten years I’ve mainly put my political rants on Facebook to spare blog readers from being exposed to them.

Even so, I’ve posted other political things here in the last few months, including two posts about the possibility of a civil war. If you were a regular reader, you’d probably know that. But I suspect you’re a newbie.

Finally, embracing my loud-mouthed assholery is a sign of spiritual maturity, I think. Better than repressing and denying my shadow side, wouldn’t you say? 🤔

Personally, I am beyond relieved that Biden got elected; I haven’t hidden my disgust for Trump in previous posts here, and I’m glad to see him gone. The big question now is where we go from here: While I believe the USA is dangerously close to a cliff, I still believe that we can come back, and the best way to do that is to adapt the spiritual principle of caring for each other: have a government that invests in the well-being of its citizens by investing its money in universal healthcare, upgrading our infrastructure, giving people a living wage or a universal income, and basically making life better for working and middle-class people.

More importantly, though is that we have to address the insane level of inequality in this country, where a handful of people have more wealth and power than everyone else put together (I don't think this country's elite would be happy to see the guillotines being broken out of museums). That inequality is probably the biggest factor that allowed Trump to become president: Working class people, feeling abandoned by the country, flocked to the man who promised to stand up for them and destroy the elites who had made their lives so miserable. Nip that inequality in the bud, and dictators wither on the vine. Besides, wouldn't Jesus and an all-loving God want everyone to have a basic level of dignity and living standards? (for the record, I don't believe in communism or socialism).

I have no delusions that the Biden administration will be able to patch everything up in four years, but I do hope that the United States takes a deep breath, chills the f*** out, and takes a long, hard look at itself. With any luck – and with God/Source’s guidance – we can finally address the issues that allowed Trump to rise to power, and take the steps towards being a better country.

Lastly, Michael, I do want to commend you for having the courage to post this. You and I are on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to politics, but I admire your honesty and that you’re not actively trying to contribute to the national divide that’s torn so many of us apart. I’d much rather watch a talk show hosted by you than anyone on Fox News.

Makes me sad to read your words, Michael. Although I can take your point of view and understand it. However, I'm completely on the official side of things.

What's ever more important in these times: Let's not forget that we're all lovable human beings, despite differences in politics. At least as far as I'm concerned I'll keep reading your blog. (And to be honest I'm relieved to learn that you plan to keep away from politics in the future here! 🙂)

Byee......... If you think a personal afterlife is filled with likeminded souls, then to be with a load of Trump based excuses is not my idea of nirvana. Bookmark deleted....

I've been staying away from discussions of politics. At this point it's in the hands of Trump's legal team.

That said, for posterity's sake, here's a link (and some of my final thoughts on the topic) that's a decent summary of superficial observations that suggest fraud. Of course, a deeper dive into these observations is required and, apparently, there is much more behind the scenes evidence.

As of yesterday, AZ found that a "counting glitch" had over stated the number of votes in Greenlee County by several thousand - all of the false count went to Biden (funny how Biden always is the beneficiary). With those votes correctly removed (they ave been) Biden's lead in AZ is a mere 4K votes. More discovery is happening in AZ -as it s elsewhere.

As bad as the election fraud is, the fact is that the media is essentially Pravda at this point. Biden's proposed administration is comprised of many members who have been working with and directly for the major "news" networks, Of course many deep state actors remain regulars on those same networks. In a free country media and government must be separate. That is no longer the case in America. No wonder Trump couldn't get a fair shake in the media. The media is literally a political opposition party.

I await the legal actions of Trump's team. I hope that remedy works, but, am skeptical. There is little time to build a legal case of that scale and scope. Judges can be fickle and political. Opposing lawyers can jam up the process on technicalities until time runs out.

If the legal action fails, I anticipate that Biden's team will begin implementing policies that a major proportion, even a majority of Americans, don't like in the least bit. He has already suggested what some of those policies are and his proposed admin. has a history of public announcement of radical and unpopular ideas. That's what they're willing to talk about publicly. Who knows what else they want put in place once they have consolidated power?

When that happens, I expect local civil disobedience. States and counties will simply refuse to comply, as will individual citizens. With elections no longer a viable means of obtaining representation for the will of the people, the people will rapidly become increasingly cynical about any of the constitutional processes. The country will essentially become increasingly ungovernable. At that point states move to secede. The federal govt either lets it happen (I doubt it) or we have a civil war on our hands.

I think the One World government crowd would like a civil war to weaken the country and finish off any last vestiges of American structure and greatness so that they can rebuild, in the aftermath, something new that is part of the global socialist corporatist government.

Prayers for Trump's legal team.

Hello, Michael

I agree with your political sentiments. Entirely. Thanks for your reasoned article. I've read your blog for years and have never commented before. That being said, I have a question regarding NDE books. I do not recall your blog discussing a book titled, "Recollections of Death" by heart surgeon Michael Sabom. Are you familiar with it ? Would certainly appreciate your thoughts on it. The book was a rigorous study on NDEs by a medical professional. A heart surgeon, specifically. It came to conclusions that I think would interest your readers. BTW, I've purchased several books based on your blog recommendations and have been happy with them.

In closing, yes, I believe the election was rigged/stolen. Future elections should be interesting. Not honest, but interesting.



From across the pond in NL in EU it looks to me like Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin, played by the powers that be, and those are not politicians.

I think George Carlin was spot-on:

Spiritus et materia wrote,

"Let's not forget that we're all lovable human beings, despite differences in politics."

Excellent advice. It's hard (for me, at least) to remain quiet or neutral during what appears to be a rerun of the fall of the Roman Republic. (The calls to prosecute Trump for something, anything, once he is again a private citizen are uncannily close to the circumstances that faced Caesar when he decided to cast his dice and cross the Rubicon.) And yet it's good to remember that this too shall pass. The worst-case scenario doesn't often come about, and even when it does, there may be a silver lining.

One thing that amuses me are people who claim to be shocked that I'm a conservative: "As a longtime reader of this blog, I can't believe ..." etc. Any longtime reader would already know I'm politically conservative. In fact, anyone who's followed the blog for the past six months would know it, since in that time I've posted more than once about the possibility of American secession and I've been critical of the COVID lockdowns. The only new thing is that I used to believe that voting matters, and now I'm too cynical to think so.

Richard wrote, "I do not recall your blog discussing a book titled, 'Recollections of Death' by heart surgeon Michael Sabom. Are you familiar with it ?"

Yes, I've read it, and it's an excellent (albeit very early) study of NDEs. I've discussed it a few times, though I don't think I ever devoted a whole post to the book. Here's one post that brings up material from Sabom's book:

I don’t know whether you’re a Trump supporter or not. Plenty of people seem to be. I don’t know you personally, although I have enjoyed the blog for many years. I’m not in a position to judge your morals or ethics.

There seem to me to be two points people are making.

Firstly, was the election rigged? I don’t know. I find the election process in the states somewhat difficult to follow from a democratic perspective however it is what it is. Is it vulnerable to corruption? I’d be surprised if it wasn’t in some way, and hadn’t always been. I’m sure the republican supporters are just as capable of subverting the election process as the democrats (or the Russians or Chinese or whoever the hell else).

Secondly, what about Trump? There seem to me two elements to that - the person he is, and the things he does. On the first one I don’t need the press to interpret his communications, he is clear. I find him personally revolting. I can’t remember feeling that way about anyone, let alone a president of a foreign state. As for his policies, they clearly represent of strand of American public opinion. I find that worrying but unsurprising (just as I wouldn’t be if the same thing was revealed in my own country).

What I do object to is the suggestion that because you’re saying there may be corruption in the election, or perhaps that you support Trump, that makes you morally deficient in some way. Just because i can’t see it, doesn’t mean you don’t have a rationale for thinking that way.

It’s this type of approach that although human, causes stark division. Unless I’m talking to someone who’s clearly nuts there must be sufficient substance for a person to take a particular view. If I don’t agree with it that surely shouldn't mean I shun them unless they’re offensive or trying to harm others? Or that there can’t be other areas where we share a common view.

There seem to me many examples of people whose opinions in some areas would be offensive to many, but who are nevertheless recognised as moral and perhaps spiritual exemplars. I don’t think a persons politics necessarily tell you about their morals or spirituality (whatever the hell that is).

Michael, we've started a group on facebook - "The Michael Prescott rejection Club". It's quite lively! Yours, Michael.

I suppose you could take the word of a crazed Birther and his supporters that the election was stolen from him by Democrats who did it for Joe Biden, but not for the Senate, which effectively handicaps Biden's term. I'm not one of those people.

I'll listen to the words of a Republican judge in PA (Matthew Brann) on this matter and consider it settled.

"This Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence. In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more.”

See ya later, Michael. If there is an afterlife I hope I don't cross your path.

Politics is just another way to experience duality and separation in this life. Duality and separation seem to be inherent and inescapable properties of our universe and you don't have to go looking for them, they will find you all on their own. Life is one great big long lesson in separation, what it means and how it feels, and the more emotion it evokes the more we remember it. This Earth life is a school and we simply learn the things here that can't be learned in heaven.

Emotion makes the memories last

Re secession, see "Free to Move: Foot Voting, Migration, and Political Freedom". It's $10 for a Kindle version at by Ilya Somin

The author gives a summary of his arguments at, "How Foot Voting Promotes Political Freedom Better than Ballot Box Voting"

More on secession here's something I posted over a year ago elsewhere:
My preference is to run a pilot project in which voluntary population exchanges between natural pairs of states would by facilitated by an agency engaged in finding jobs and homes for movers. E.g., New Hampshire could be designated a future "right" state and Vermont a future "left" state, based on existing political leanings there. Ditto with N. and S. Dakota, N. and S. Carolina, and pairs of rectangle States in the middle of the country. This checkerboard arrangement wouldn't weaken national defense.

The new national consensus is that YOU'RE The Goober. Perhaps a humorous alternative national anthem could be composed elaborating this theme with details. It could top the charts, if cleverly done and not favoring left or right, just expressing what each side feels about the other.

Democracy came in because the populace objected to being bullied. Then it divided into factions each aiming to bully (in other factions' view) its opponents. There is no alternative, currently, between being the hammer or the anvil. There is no way to say "love it or leave it" without imposing banishment. But there should be. Then America would really be "the land of the free." Free to find a new frontier, free of the crazies, free to be themselves.

Michael Duggan, it sounds like I’m living rent-free in your head! My advice is to let it go. You and the other two or three British socialists I unfriended on Facebook can surely find better things to do than obsess about missing out on my political rants, which you disagreed with anyway.

Good points, Paul. I started out as a vehement Never Trumper. But over the last four years, I found Trump’s policies generally pretty to my liking. I disagreed with the COVID lockdowns, but I was happy with the strong (pre-COVID) economy, the Middle East peace agreements, the more competitive stance with China, and the fact that we didn’t get into any new wars. I could have done without the tweets, the bluster, and the occasional craziness (buying Greenland, hiring Scaramucci). Trump is a mixed bag, but I don’t see him as a fascist or Hitler or whatever the current attack is. To me, the fascistic tendencies are on the far left — cancel culture, riots, intimidation tactics, social media censorship, speech codes, identity politics, and casual talk about re-education camps and gulags.

Reasonable people can differ, of course. But in the US we’ve gotten to the point where all differences are harshly personal. This is why I think the country’s unity is hanging by a thread.

A Reuters poll showed that two-thirds of Republicans think the election was rigged. So do one-third of independents. And one in six Democrats! That’s a lot of people, probably half the country, who don’t trust our electoral process anymore. When we decide our votes don’t count, all that’s left is submission or revolt. I don’t know which way it will go. Neither option is attractive. Which is why I find the situation depressing — not because Biden "won" (who cares about Biden?), but because it seems we are entering an era of "soft dictatorship" in which our fate will be decided by technocrats and corrupt political fixers maintaining a one-party state ... or, as the alternative, chaos and division with an increasing resort to violence on both sides.

Not a pretty picture, is it?

OK, new attempt as the last one was botched and I can't edit to correct anything:

From across the pond in NL in EU it looks to me like Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin, played by the powers that be, and those are not politicians.

I think George Carlin was spot-on:

Thanks Michael. I do sort of sympathise with the “rigged” view. I mean is it really the case that the best the most powerful economy in the world has to offer is Donald Trump and Joe Biden? I mean really? If it is, then Jesus we’re all in trouble.

I don’t think it’s much better in the UK tbh. MPs (not you lol) are selected by their party and to me often look like political iPods waiting for their opinions to be uploaded. The last couple of elections I had to vote against my usual practice because the candidates were even more appalling than those offered by the other side.

I have very little confidence in the competence of our current cadre of politicians. I don’t know what the answer is tbh.

I think Ian's take summarizes my opinion on this post, we might not agree politically but I commend you for having the bravery to post this, even though I do find some aspects of it shocking.

I know you've pointed out in these comments a few times you have always been political, yes I have at one point go through your archives back to 2005 but I don't recall you going into politics to the depth of this post, but that's just me. I also disagree with your statement you have always been an asshole, but again this is just from my eyes. I remember your whole debacle with Victor Zammit and the David Thompson affair, and your writings on the matter were balanced despite the conflict at hand. Heck, you even made sure no one talked ill of James Randi's passing, something I really respect. Quite frankly, if there was an asshole with regards to people that discuss parapsychology and spiritual stuff, it would be Alex Tsakiris over at Skeptiko.

Your post starts off reasonable I feel, even if you thought the election was rigged, but then it goes off about how Trump supporters don't seem to be rebelling at the results, with rants about Antifa, BLM, or even cancel culture and identity politics - the last few points make me feel like I'm readings something from a conservative pundit like Ben Shapiro. Trump's supporters rising up is probably something people like Ian and I fear, because some of them seem really unhinged, bigoted, and armed. I also wonder if you are calling Michael Dungan the other British followers "Socialists" have any merit to them or if it is just getting thrown out because they don't have conservative view points.

For me, it just doesn't seem like Michael Prescott wrote this post, and again, I say this taking into account your long blog history. I won't stop reading this blog because of your political beliefs, but I hope politics doesn't become a norm, though this is your blog and what you want to write is totally up to you. I'm glad you realize most people read this blog for reasons other than politics and kept it to a minimum this past decade (though again, even before that I didn't really see much of that IMO). I also commend you for allowing the comments that show disdain towards you because of this post, you could have easily not put them up since you moderate them.

My final thought on this is the comments some people have said on how they hope to never meet you in the afterlife, it might be obvious people who have read up on this, but I don't think grudges carry through, and earthly politics will be of little concern there.

We'll probably have to agree to disagree on some politics Michael, but that is life I suppose.

Thanks for all the comments, both pro and con. I appreciate the feedback, and believe it or not, I’m open to changing my mind on certain things.

Several commenters said that my post was "brave" or "shocking," which surprised me, as I didn’t think it was either. I went back and reread it tonight. My reaction was that the post was angrier than it should have been, especially toward the end. Nevertheless, I still can’t say it’s either brave or shocking, and I think the people who see it that way may not quite understand what’s going on in America.

These are not normal times. We’re experiencing a sea change. Vast numbers of Americans are migrating from blue to red states, or from red to blue states, for political and cultural reasons. (In fact, it's almost impossible to separate politics and culture in the US now — itself a highly unusual circumstance.)

At the same time, people are self-segregating into media (and social media) bubbles that reflect their own values and biases. You can see that with conservatives moving to Parler and NewsMax, because they don’t feel welcome on Twitter or even on Fox News. You can see it here, with the people who say, "I’m deleting your bookmark!" (That’s fine, but it’s also a sign of the times.)

Social realignment is reflected in partisan realignment. The Republican Party, formerly home to genteel country club types and wealthy globalists (think of the Bush clan) is on the way to becoming a multiracial, multi-ethnic, populist, working-class party that believes, loudly and sometimes crudely, in putting "America first." The Democratic Party, formerly home to union members, traditionalist blue-collar patriots, and inner-city minorities, is remaking itself as a technocratic, globalist, elitist party appealing mainly to academics and students, tech moguls, grievance lobbyists, and upper-middle-class "woke" whites.

The natural tensions between these two camps have been exacerbated by the varying responses of red and blue state governors to COVID, by the Antifa-BLM riots, by the overt alignment of the major news media with one party, and by the pressures of a presidential election.

It’s all part of the Great Sorting (not my term), which may well precede the Big Breakup. The country is too divided to continue unless one side unilaterally surrenders. If this happens, it will probably be the demoralized populist side that crumbles. But the breakup of the USA into two or more nations, or some other radical reimagining of the country, is more than just a vague possibility. You can feel it. It’s in the air — like the ozone smell before a storm.

I think many people don’t quite get this. They might be surprised, for instance, by the Reuters poll I mentioned in another comment, showing that two-thirds of Republicans, one-third of Independents, and one in six Democrats believes the election was "rigged." This adds up to half the country. And when *half the country* has lost faith in the integrity of the election process, we are not where we used to be.

That half of the country wouldn’t find my post either brave or shocking. It’s what they’re already saying among themselves. Not just on social media, but in restaurants and family gatherings. I’ve heard them.

Some people don’t hear them. Unaware of the depth of division in America, they think it’s still 1992, when Orrin Hatch and Ted Kennedy could be best friends. But the caravan has moved on, the two sides are no longer capable of being best friends, they are barely even speaking, and each distrusts and despises the other. That’s the reality, as I see it. And I’m afraid it’s only going to get worse.

I've never seen Michael Prescott as a true-red conservative. Right leaning Libertarian, maybe, but he is conservative on most economic issues and liberal on most social issues.
He thinks for himself, that's why I follow his blog.

Even though I disagree with him on several topics and points (I am NOT a Trump supporter, but my wife is), his arguments are always well reasoned and logically laid out with references, when needed.
Honestly, most of my arguments against the positions I disagree with him on are more emotional on my part than logic based.
Michael Prescott's logical approach in his search for spiritual truth was one of the major influences on my own spiritual transformation, and I will never be able to pay him back for it, (other than maybe buying his books. :D)

If he is a loudmouthed asshole, then he's MY loudmouthed asshole. After all, my never mind.. :D

As a resident of a country that Trump would only know as “not the USA” I believe we are seeing the same phenomenon as we witnessed with Brexit deniers.

Look at it this way - there is no doubt that Biden won the popular vote so that gives him the moral right to the presidency. It’s the electoral system that’s at fault in the USA - specifically the electoral college that historically returns a president who doesn’t actually enjoy the support of the majority of the American people.

@Aftrbnr I’m with you on this. If there is an afterlife, very much doubt politics will have much of a role. I expect people can secede to wherever they like.

I made a "D" in political science 101 in college. That pretty much describes my interest in politics over my entire life. I was an Animal Science/Agriculture major in college and when I finally started taking courses in my major my GPA shot up and I actually made the Dean's list for a couple of quarters. I have family who are endlessly fascinated by politics and they shame me into voting but I do it for them, not for me. Me? I could care less.

Politics to me is sort of like a pendulum and swings back and forth and is just something I have to put up with? I was born mid 20th century during the Eisenhower administration and since that time have lived and managed to survive under all flavors of politics. People tell me all kinds of stuff about how it's going to affect my life but so far? Not so much.

It doesn't seem to be any worse now than it was when I was growing up, especially during the 1960s when people were getting shot and they made us duck under our desks to save us from Atom bombs? Heck I even remember the Cuban missile crisis and how freaked out people were about that? And Vietnam was even more bizarre. The Universe seems to have a never ending smorgasbord of separation for us to experience in this life and I don't expect it to ever be "peace and love" in this life? Like my mom used to say to me sometimes, "life ain't a bowl of cherries you know kiddo!"

A (gender switch) quote from Stephen King's Delores Claiborne:

"Sometimes being an asshole is all a man has to hang on to.."

I'll still read here, Michael. I like your blog... and you too.

As I cast my first vote at the age of 50, I’m hardly one to console you in your current state of political cynicism. But, regarding the supposed conspiracy to rig the American election by an “oligarchy of rule-by-billionaires”, Michael Prescott of 2014 has some timely words for you:

“Now, the thing about conspiracy theories is that they are impossible to disprove. It doesn't matter how much evidence you can gather that seems to call the alleged conspiracy into question; the devoted conspiracy theorist will simply tell you that that evidence itself is part of the conspiracy.”

Following your lead, I wouldn’t attempt to dissuade you from your convictions, as any supposed facts or data that I might present to counter your argument could be summarily dismissed as false evidence tainted by the all encompassing influence of the controlling cabal. As you wisely said:

“The trouble with conspiracy theories as all-encompassing explanations is that not only can they never be disproved, but also they breed a sense of helplessness, passivity, and cynicism. If the whole world is out to get us, then there's probably nothing we can do about it except despair.”

My takeaway from your clear headed analysis of conspiracy theories, has been to give them a wide berth and steer as closely as I can to the mundane matters of fact that I can directly ascertain. A great many things are logically possible, but to believe some of them, one must, as it was put in the gospels, “strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.”

You eloquently and succinctly dispatch “super-psi” as an overarching conspiracy theory that “means we can never know the truth about anything. We cannot trust our own minds, since at the deepest level they are intent on fooling us. We cannot trust anybody's perceptions, including our own.” To a lesser degree, all conspiracy theories (even the few that are true) erode confidence in our ability tease out facts from falsehoods. We must resist despair and keep the faith that in the end the truth will out.

Like everyone else, I’m saddled with a collection of beliefs with varying conformity to what may actually be true. I try not to take them too seriously and seek to hold them all as provisional, subject to overthrow by more reliable and trustworthy facts. And, perhaps it is the conservatism that comes with age, but I’ve come to put more faith in the opinions of those with proven expertise, than in my own ill-informed views. For better or worse, I’ve come around to put a little more faith in those stodgy institutions of science and the mainstream media, and am less reliant on the siren call of my “brilliant” flashes of inspired revelation.

David, I still agree with my 2014 self on this point. But skepticism of conspiracy theories doesn’t equal blanket rejection of all such theories. For instance, even in 2014, I was persuaded of a conspiracy to conceal the true author of the works attributed to Shakespeare. And there are historically proven conspiracies, such as the Iran-contra affair and the Steele dossier hoax, not to mention older ones like the Gunpowder Plot or the conspiracy to assassinate Julius Caesar. It would be absurd to say that conspiracies never happen, just as it would be absurd to say that everything is a conspiracy.

In terms of US electoral politics, there is good evidence of a conspiracy to steal the presidential election of 1876, and some evidence (not conclusive) of vote fraud in the 1960 election sufficient to swing the result from Nixon to JFK. Big-city machine politicians have long been notorious for vote-stealing a la the Tammany Hall gang.

I assume you'd acknowledge that some elections have been stolen and that other political conspiracies have been exposed (certainly in other countries, and at least at the local and state level in the US), so your point seems to be that there is not enough evidence in this particular case to justify believing that the process was corrupted. But that’s why briefs are being filed, recounts and audits are being ordered, etc. I’m not sure there will be time to get to the bottom of things before the deadline for the Electoral College, which is why I expect Biden to be sworn in. Still, I’m confident that further investigation will eventually expose significant fraud, mainly attributable to mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting, and perhaps also to electronic manipulation of the data (though this is harder to prove).

Sadly, I’m not confident that anything will be done to correct the situation. Too many powerful forces are aligned to keep election fraud in place. I will be pleasantly surprised if we outlaw mail-in voting and ballot harvesting, and if we implement serious security measures at polling places. But I’m afraid we’ve gone too far down the road to banana-republic corruption to turn back now.

Regarding experts, I think they’re generally reliable when not operating in the service of a political agenda. Unfortunately, much of science and all of journalism have become heavily politicized. Eisenhower's prescient farewell address warned us not only of the dangers of the military-industrial complex but also of a government-scientific complex. People forget about that part, though it’s given equal weight in the speech. I’m very worried about the government-scientific complex today, especially with the rise of Big Tech. If this doesn’t trouble you, I submit that you’re not paying attention.

“ I also know that in some precincts, huge numbers of ballots were delivered in the middle of the night, during the vote-counting hiatus, that had no races filled out except the presidency – 100% for Joe Biden. ”

You were driving around in your car, monitoring the election and eye-witnessing this yourself?

So the whole election fraud thing has turned out to be an utter embarrassment to Trump, who has had actual money and other resources to use in proving his case in court. He and his team of "legal eagles" have come up with nothing. So I suppose that we are to believe that, while they have put hot, steaming garbage in their filings, the "real" evidence is still out there, by gum?!

I don't think so.

Let's talk about the whole secession/national divorce thing too, as I think people have the nature of this thing wrong as well.

I'm from Indiana, from Indianapolis specifically, a city that's pretty Liberal. As has been widely noted by the media but not sufficiently digested by the body politic, cities tend to be blue in the US, and states are red or blue based on the ratio of their cities to rural areas. This pattern alone makes a national divorce quite difficult (i.e., the whole red state/blue state thing is a very crude oversimplification).

But here's the thing that people really aren't perceiving...

I've been working in Mobile, Alabama, for the past year as an interpreter in a steel mill. Alabama has to be the ultimate red state, right? Surely there were Trump signs everywhere. Plus, people are weird, too, right? It must feel very different from being in a nice Liberal city like Chicago (where I also have an office/apartment... long story).

Actually, no. People here look and seem the same as they do anywhere in the US. I only saw like one or two Trump yard signs here. Most of what I saw was for Doug Jones with some Biden/Harris signs as we got closer to the election. (And I drive pretty far from Mobile out into the country to get to work.)

My working theory is that the state was so much in the bag for Trump that people didn't bother campaigning much for him here. But the point is that, even in a red state like Alabama, there is a lot of support for the opposition, and people seem like people everywhere in the US (similarly, there is was a lot of Trump support even in "blue" states).

So what's my big insight? It's this: we get along on a micro scale pretty well, but then we are fighting the culture war on a national level--which then gets mapped onto geography seemingly *in reverse.* I.e., there's nothing blue or red about Illinois or Alabama on the surface, anything that would put us at each other's throats on daily basis; but it just so happens that, beneath the surface, we disagree on some big issues. Such as whether Trump is an idiot or not (he is).

Put simply, we are fully capable of getting along, we are simply choosing not to and attributing those differences to geography. It's hella stupid.

Does that mean some type of secession won't happen? Actually, It think the danger is there. The reason is the same as why Canada isn't eager to join the US. It can keep what goodies it has for itself (a lot of land and a small population) and not pay for the huge military budget of the US.

If the West coast of the US could secede, it would be beneficial for them to do so. They have a huge income base thanks to the tech industry, and they could just skip paying for the military and other stuff that doesn't do them any good. They are blue enough and cohesive enough culturally that it would be a relief not to have to deal with the drama of the rest of the country. All pro, no con, really. Plus, Washington, Oregon, and California are geographically contiguous, conveniently located for international travel and trade, and their eastern border would be desert and wilderness, so that wouldn't be much of a problem either.

*That* is the thing to worry about. Had Donald "Lost the Election" (for real!) Trump been reelected, I would think such a thing would have been likely. If a similar idiot were elected to the presidency again, I think it would be likely again too.

Yes yes and Elvis is still alive. There are crackpots all over the Internet. Please don’t become of one of them.

'Trump's supporters rising up is probably something people like Ian and I fear, because some of them seem really unhinged, bigoted, and armed.'

That's correct; an effective leader would take a look at the United States and work to encourage people to unite and work together to heal our divisions so that we can tackle and overcome the obstacles we now face; I think most people reading this blog would say that's the spiritual thing to do. But instead of doing that, Trump has worked to cultivate a personality cult where he is the only one who can be trusted, and everyone else is part of a deep state working to overthrow him. And what frightens me is how millions of people have bought into that; a few days before the election, a convoy of fifty or so vehicles displaying Trump flags and banners drove through my upper-middle class suburban city with horns blaring and drivers cheering, something that has never, EVER happened before. These people were fanatics, and made it clear that they loved Trump's attacks and insults, and wanted four more years of it, and possibly more.

The only way the United States will survive is for people to shift from a mindset of us-vs-them to a mindset of trying to care for everyone, so that everyone is uplifted. Trump's lies and corruption of our democracy - and the public's trust in it - will make it far more difficult.

Here’s an interesting summary of Sidney Powell's GA filing, I’m excerpting these remarks from a longer comment posted by "paxf" in the thread at the link.

Some examples: (Biden's margin is 12,670 votes.)

o Probable fraud: by Georgia law, a voter must register at the address where he/she actually resides. However, when cross-checked, 20,311 absentee or early voters in Georgia were found to have voted despite appearing in the "National Change of Address Database (NCOA) as having moved or as having filed subsequent voter registration in another state." (p61)

o The ballots of 44% of GOP mail-in voters who reported mailing in their ballot when contacted by phone by Matt Braynard, are listed by the state of Georgia as not having been returned or counted. (referenced briefly on p60, I found it reported in The Epoch Times in more detail.)

o Actual fraud: ballots in one location were sorted into piles for Trump, Biden, and Jorgenson. Three eyewitnesses testify to seeing workers moving ballots from the Trump pile to the Biden pile. One eyewitness reports workers then moved ballots from Jorgenson's pile to Biden, tallied the piles, and recorded the results.(p32-33, 36-37)

o Actual fraud: Powell has instances of people showing up to vote on election day, only to discover that someone else had already voted using their names. (pg30,par72)

o Misconduct: numerous reports that mail-in signatures were not being checked, and that ballots were being tallied with no envelope in sight (that is, with no possibility of of verifying their validity).

o Probable fraud: Powell presents testimony from canvassers who report receiving batches of mail-in ballots on paper that did not have sharp creases, and had strangely uniform voting marks. The inference is that not being creased like all the others, these ballots could not possibly ever have been sent then returned in envelopes by mail, and that they appear to have been marked by some systematic process, rather than by various voters by their own hand. (p31)

o Fact: 96,600 absentee ballots were requested and counted without ever being recorded as having been actually received by local election boards. (p10) Besides the obvious questions that produces, that violates Georgia Code's requirement that "Upon receipt of each [absentee] ballot, a registrar or clerk shall write the day and hour of the receipt of the ballot on its envelope." (pg 20)


I don’t know how much of this will hold up in court, but I think it’s silly to dismiss all these claims as crazy conspiracy theories, even if Powell herself has made other claims that are less plausible. There’s nothing inherently implausible about most of the above, and some of the claims, such as the first one in the list, involve enough votes to potentially swing the state.

I get the impression that people who shrug off these allegations out of hand haven’t really been looking into the matter.

Michael wrote,

||I don’t know how much of this will hold up in court, but I think it’s silly to dismiss all these claims as crazy conspiracy theories, even if Powell herself has made other claims that are less plausible. There’s nothing inherently implausible about most of the above, and some of the claims, such as the first one in the list, involve enough votes to potentially swing the state.

I get the impression that people who shrug off these allegations out of hand haven’t really been looking into the matter. ||

If people have links to point-by-point responses to such things, I would be interested in reading them.

I have no idea whether the above are...

1. True or not (probably some truth to them).

2. Standard messiness that might occur in any election or something truly concerning.

3. Enough to swing an election (probably not).

Michael Prescott said:

…”I’m confident that further investigation will eventually expose significant fraud, mainly attributable to mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting, and perhaps also to electronic manipulation of the data…”

Tech blogger John Gruber might call a statement like this “claim chowder". Let’s put a pin in this and revisit it in six months to a year. Trump’s efforts to prove fraud in this election seem headed into the same dead end as his presidential commission empaneled to root out the alleged election fraud that “stole” the popular vote from Trump in 2016. If at first you don’t succeed in bamboozling the public; lie, lie again.

Many bogus and unsupported claims have been made about the susceptibility of mail-in ballots to voter fraud. My home state of Oregon has exclusively had vote by mail for over 20 years. According to the conservative Heritage Foundation, Oregon has had just 15 convictions for voter fraud since 2000. That's 15 proven instances of voter fraud, out of millions upon millions of votes cast. Mitch McConnell’s great state of Kentucky, with a slightly larger population than Oregon, does not have universal vote by mail and voters normally need to provide a reason when requesting a ballot. They have double the number of convictions, despite using an allegedly more secure system of voting. Even so, 30 instances in 20 years do not constitute evidence of widespread election fraud in Kentucky.

Of course, it’s logically possible that “many powerful forces are aligned to keep election fraud in place” and concealed from law enforcement and the hawkeyed fraud busters at the Heritage Foundation. But, without attaching a who, what, when, where, and how to the preceding statement, it’s just so much wind in want of credible evidence. Call me old fashioned, but I believe in supporting claims of criminal conduct with, you know, credible evidence that doesn't collapse in the courtroom like a house of cards. And in this instance, the claim of rampant voter fraud to swing a presidential election requires unimpeachable evidence. I look forward with bemused interest to see how Sidney Powell’s lawsuits play out. Given how election fraud 2016 was a total bust, I’m not looking for election fraud 2020 to deliver much of a payout at the Trump Casino of Specious Claims.

“ I get the impression that people who shrug off these allegations investigations out of hand haven’t really been looking into the matter.”.

Sounds familiar doesn’t it? Lol

Well, if we look at just the first item in the summary of the GA filing, we see that roughly 20,000 ballots were allegedly cast by people who had moved out of state. Biden's lead in GA is about 12,600. If the allegation holds up, those 20,000 ballots will have to be thrown out. I don’t know how they break down in terms of Biden v. Trump, but for the sake of argument, if they favor Biden 2:1, then tossing all those ballots would cut Biden's lead in half. And that’s only one of many allegations.

So it’s certainly possible that favorable rulings on some of these charges would swing GA. I don’t know if the allegations will hold up or not. But I did see media reports prior to the election about multiple mail-in ballots sent to residences of people who had moved. So it’s not inherently unlikely that ballots were sent to 20,000 out-of-date residences. I also saw reports about ballot harvesters who paid people for blank ballots. One of them was caught on a hidden camera bragging about it ...

Regarding convictions for vote fraud, take a look at Paterson NJ, where 20% of mail-in ballots were thrown out in an election a few months ago because they were part of a vote-stealing operation. The entire election was invalidated by the court. Of course, vote fraud never, ever happens ... or if it does, it’s only ten or fifteen votes ... except when it’s 20% of the vote.

Michael - I’m sure you're not suggesting that it’s only the democrats that may have engaged in dubious activities? Murky business.


I don't think the NYT article really supports your contention. A quote towards the end:

"Rick Hasen, an election law professor at the University of California, Irvine, School of Law, said the problems in Paterson illustrate the challenges of mass rollouts of mail-in voting and the need for anti-fraud mechanisms like ballot tracking, which allows voters to follow their ballots through the postal system.

"But, he added, the case also shows large-scale voting fraud would be difficult to successfully carry out.

“'When you start tampering with absentee ballots, if you were doing it on a large enough scale to try and influence an election, it’s going to typically involve a large number of moving parts,' Mr. Hasen said. 'It’s hard to keep conspiracies quiet and people will notice when they go to vote.'”

This was a relatively small-scale bit of fraud--and they got caught!

For people who are wondering how Trump lost when he won bellwether counties, Republics won down-ballot races, etc., this NRO article is instructive:

A quote:

"Perhaps the most glaring example of Trump’s losing an electoral vote be­cause he wasn’t as popular as other Republi­­cans on the ballot came in Nebraska. Trump won the state overall but, because he lost in the state’s second congressional district, will receive only four of Nebraska’s five electoral votes. The second district is not a Democratic stronghold, and Trump held a rally there, in Omaha, in late October. Yet Biden’s victory in the district was not especially close: 52 percent to 45 percent. Probably 6 percent of voters split their ticket; in the second district’s House race, Republican Donald Bacon beat Democrat Kara Eastman, 50.8 percent to 46.1 percent. This was something of a surprise: The Omaha World-Herald noted that 'as Election Day approached, Bacon was considered the most vulnerable GOP incumbent in the country.'"

So people otherwise voting Republican split their tickets (certainly not the only reason Trump lost, but probably a big one). Or is it the theory that there was election fraud in this district too just to win one electoral vote?!

For those who are interested, this article by a pollster provides a good rundown of the anomalies in the recent election. (Click the X on the pop-up paywall thing to dismiss it.)

The article concludes that there’s nothing weird about questioning the apparent victory of Joe Biden. His "win" violated all kinds of previously reliable metrics, and the vote tallies are extremely suspicious in highly specific ways.

Matt, I agree that people will notice when obvious fraud is carried out.

I’ve noticed, and so have many others. Half the country has noticed.

Time will tell if the fraud in the presidential election will be successful. It took months for the Paterson election to be invalidated by the court. Unfortunately we don’t have months in this case, which is why I think Biden is likely to be sworn in, even though he obtained office illegally.

Regarding that Nebraska district, I don’t think it’s a bellwether district, is it? Trump won the vast majority of bellwether districts yet somehow "lost," I’m sure some Republicans split the ticket, but polls have shown that Trump enjoyed 95% support among Republicans overall.

Paul, is there evidence of Republicans engaging in fraud in this election? I haven’t seen it, though of course anything is possible. Certainly if the result is allowed to stand and no reforms are implemented, then each party will have to cheat as much as possible in the future. Those will be the rules of the game, as in many less-developed nations.

I’d think the democrats are less likely to shout fraud as they’ve won don’t you think? They don’t need to do they? They’d just be invalidating their own win wouldn’t they?

Do you think the republicans haven’t engaged in fraudulent activity?

Though I regard “the great election fraud of 2020” to be the last, tragicomic act in the Donald Trump: Greatest President Ever! reality TV show, I’ve enjoyed thinking about this topic more seriously. First off, the record turnout for both Trump and Biden demonstrates that removing obstacles to vote through easy access to voting by mail increases turnout. It also doesn’t hurt to have a highly polarizing candidate at the top of the ticket. Though I think voting by mail is laughingly antiquated, in an age when online banking is widely used, it does satisfy the consensus of election security experts to have a paper trail to backup the count of electronic scanners.

Michael, at the top of your post you mention that “huge numbers of ballots were delivered in the middle of the night, during the vote-counting hiatus, that had no races filled out except the presidency – 100% for Joe Biden”. Is that in reference to the Shiawassee County whoopsie when the unofficial vote count for Biden was reported as 153,710, instead of 15,371? Alas, the fact that the errant zero was caught 20 minutes later didn’t stop the fraud squad from crying foul, and thus another myth is born.

Regarding the maverick pollster who authored the Spectator article, he predicted a Trump win of 326 electoral votes. That’s way outside what every mainstream poll predicted, and yes, though they were wrong in predicting the margin of the presidential race, they correctly predicted the outcome. Either Patrick Basham wuz robbed, or he’s just a lousy pollster. And do I think he has a barely concealed far right agenda? Yup.

As for the mass of voters who claim to believe the election was illegitimate, we are, sadly, a nation that receives, and foolishly believes, much of what the talking heads on our favorite networks preach to us. At the same time, I don’t expect legions of armed vigilantes to descend on the capitols of contested states to arrest their governors, secretary’s of state and election officials. These are crazy times that we live in, but hopefully not that crazy.

It would be a sensational national scandal if it turns out that the election was stolen and that Joe Biden is the leader of a crime family. But I suspect that mellow Joe will turn out to be neither a crook nor a socialist, and that Americans will continue to be as cynical about politics as they always have been.

Paul, I can only say I haven’t seen evidence of GOP fraud in this election. Have you?

Democrats are in a heckuva rush to reset the voting machines in Georgia’s Fulton County, the heart of the Trump legal team's fraud allegations in that state. Resetting the machines means deleting all the data currently on them. Republicans had to file an emergency plea to get a court to issue a cease & desist order.

If the data would show that no fraud occurred, why are Fulton County Dems in such a hurry to erase it?

I mean, if I were accused of tax fraud, and I knew my files would prove I was innocent, I wouldn't start shredding those files.

If I were guilty, well ...

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