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Many of these activities will end soon,as the controls will become usual as they're here. We can't go out without a written permission but only for buying foods,papers and cigarettes. We're going to be a hunappy, depressed people. Hope it won't be the same also in your Country....

I think we will be economically depressed, for sure. I don't see any way to avoid it at this point. In my opinion (and of course my opinion is not worth much, since I am no expert on these things), we have overreacted and shut down our economy for no reason. There were less dramatic steps we could have taken that probably would have accomplished more or less as much without all the collateral damage to our society. But this is a contrarian opinion, and right now people are so terrified of the virus (which is killed about 10,000 people in the US, a vanishingly small percentage of the population) that they cannot think straight about it.

I think this is a good time to step back during this communicable disease exercise and take a look at what we are as a people, as a culture of free men and women and the state of our national health. It is time to reset the values of the American people to those values and mores that have made Americans a great people for 300 years or more and importantly, it is time to look at what we eat.

Americans generally are not healthy. I venture to say that most adults are overweight, many are obese and a goodly number are morbidly obese. Just go to any Walmart store to see a cross section of the common American man and woman and their children. Most of the people you will see there are probably insulin resistant with blood glucose levels over the normal range and high insulin levels. There probably is a high incidence of Type 2 diabetes among the group with many of them undiagnosed. If they don’t have full-blown diabetes they are precariously close to it.

As a result of insulin resistance and the resultant obesity and diabetes, many of those people you see have artery disease, not due to eating fat and cholesterol but due to eating a diet over supplied with sugar and other simple carbohydrates. Such a diet is currently recommended and promoted by the federal government‘s nutrition experts as healthful and their recommendations are supported by food manufacturers interested in selling more product by just adding sugar to it. This collaboration has produced a population of sick people who paradoxically think they are healthy by following the government recommended guidelines. They die of pneumonia related to a viral infection and their family says, “But, they were so healthy!”

It is time to reflect on what we are doing to ourselves. Government really is not doing it to us. We are doing it to ourselves. It is time for common sense; time to eat a nutritious diet that promotes health rather than illness. If we are really healthy, regardless of age, the Corona Virus and any other influenza virus that comes along will have little serious impact on the population. - AOD

Taken from a Centers for Disease Control report: “CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season. This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season.”

Granted this is a CDC estimate but I have to let that sink in for a little while. It may be true but then again, it may be not be true.

I am wondering in the heat of the Corona virus epidemic what has happened to the deaths from “regular influenza”? CDC thought that there were 34,300 deaths from influenza as a result of the epidemic in 2018 -2019. Has regular influenza disappeared with the advent of the Corona virus in 2020? Are we only allowed to have one virus at a time? Why are we not seeing a side-by-side comparison of the number of Corona Virus infections/hospitalizations and deaths with ‘regular’ influenza stats? Is anyone making a distinction between these two viruses?

What does all of this portend for years to come? If what we are doing now in response to the Corona virus is appropriate and necessary to prevent spread of disease and death then it follows that the protocols we are following today must be followed in the future. That is only logical if what is being recommended and done now to prevent disease and death is a rational way to save lives. If regular influenza can cause 34,000 deaths in 2018-19 then social isolation, social distancing, wearing masks everywhere, closing of businesses, arresting and fining people who disobey government recommendations or arresting those who lie out in the sunshine at the beach, fining old men who drive a few blocks to have lunch with their daughter, must be instituted as a recurring way---into perpetuity--- to respond to any and all infectious diseases that may come our way and they come our way almost every year.

If that is so, then we will never get out of this muck and mire of over response to recurring infectious viruses and bacteria; might as well call it a day, retreat onto our couches with our masks and hand sanitizers, play on our computers, eat ice cream, watch Netflix and “let the rest of the world go by.” - AOD

Here's an article with additional silver linings:

"How Coronavirus Is Kickstarting the 21st Century: A global pandemic has done what 30 years of internet manifestoes never accomplished: a mass migration into our screens."
NICK GILLESPIE | 4.6.2020 11:00 AM

"The new coronavirus has done what 30 years of internet manifestoes never accomplished: a mass migration into our screens. We aren't being quarantined in our homes so much as being frog-marched into a virtual fallout shelter. The silver lining is that we may finally realize that life is mostly better in the cloud, where it's possible to learn faster, work better, and generally get what you really want, delivered directly to your door and for less money.

Ironically, living online gives us more free time in our actual flesh-and-blood lives. The typical round-trip commute is about an hour. Yet just 3.6 percent of America's labor force "currently work[s] at home half-time or more." More than 50 percent of all employees have a job that could at least partly be done remotely and 80 percent say they want to work from home at least part of the time. Now is their chance.

Doctors' appointments that last just a few minutes can take weeks to schedule and blow apart entire days. Telemedicine accounted for less than 1 percent of insurance claims before the pandemic. Now, Medicare is covering video and phone appointments. And hospitals are monitoring COVID-19 patients remotely at homes, providing more comfort and reducing the risk of contagion.

Before the COVID-19 pandemic, fewer than 6 percent of public K-12 schools offered a majority of their courses online and just 13 percent of undergraduates got their bachelor's degrees through the internet. Now the whole country is experiencing the flexibility and offerings available through distance learning, and it seems likely that the future of higher education will more seriously blend online and in-class instruction.

Many people will head out to multiplexes and sports arenas once they reopen, but fewer than ever before. Even before this time of self-isolation, studios had already been stepping up the simultaneous release in meatspace and on-demand video. Netflix now allows users to watch the same show remotely with friends, creating a communal experience instead of a solitary one.

Amazon is hiring an additional 100,000 workers to meet demand for deliveries of its standard fare and for groceries too, as online retailing explodes. Many will come to see their weekly shopping as the definition of 21st century drudge work, the equivalent of beating carpets or hand washing clothes."

Interesting points, Roger. With regard to distance learning, the students I’ve talked to say that taking courses online is no substitute for actually being there. I suppose it may depend on the subject.

A have a couple of questions I am wondering about.

1). Will there be a second wave of Coronavirus?
2). When will the Vaccine come out?.

Knowing that it shares 85 percent of genetic material with SARS wouldn't it just disappear most likely?. Just wondering what others on here think.

I found the following example of the lack of knowledge or just plain stupidity of some American people concerning communicable disease in an article about burial of unclaimed bodies on Hart Island.

“The first AIDS victims were buried away from other graves on the island in 1985 over fears they would infect the other bodies.”

God help us if that same mentality is being used to make communicable disease control decisions today. - AOD

"With regard to distance learning, the students I’ve talked to say that taking courses online is no substitute for actually being there. I suppose it may depend on the subject."

I've switched my five remaining piano students (all adults except for one 13-year old) to lessons via Zoom. It works really well! I was actually well prepared for this because over the last few years, based in Los Angeles, I've been teaching a woman in Canada. We've both been absolutely delighted with her progress.

Often I seem (to myself, at least) to be even a better teacher this way, perhaps because the arrangement forces me to be more focused and professional.

Still, there's no question that my students and I would rather meet in person.

As a side note, I live alone and am under considerable emotional stress since the lockdown began. It's sometimes difficult for me to gather the strength to continue teaching. But I've managed to pull it off so far. And that's vital for my well-being: I'm SO grateful for the opportunity to connect with others in this context, to get beyond my personal worries even momentarily, and to see myself, for a change, as the helper instead of the helped.

"With regard to distance learning, the students I’ve talked to say that taking courses online is no substitute for actually being there. I suppose it may depend on the subject."

It also depends on the software. Some of it is actually "live" and can include real-time discussions and questions, so it's equivalent.
"Canned" presentations lack that but are not "no" substitute—that's rhetoric. They are a partial substitute—one that can be supplemented, I assume, by videos or texts to compensate.

Canned presentations can be viewed at the viewer's convenience, when he is most alert and interested. And when he isn't unavailable due to sickness or some other event.

And a partial, supplemented substitute is superior if it costs 95% less, and the 100% cost puts one deep into debt.

I watched your piano tutorials on YouTube a couple of years ago and I was impressed. I assume that that was your voice on the video and I think you missed a career as a voice-over for films and other videos. You are very easy to listen to. Even after taking piano lessons for 8 years I learned something from your presentations about chording. (Which I never paid attention to before.)

Nicely done Bruce. -AOD

Thanks, Amos. Eight years of lessons, huh? Nice to know there's another pianist hanging out here.

I have been working on Gershwin's 'Rhapsody in Blue' for 60 years Bruce. Still haven't got it yet. - AOD

"Still haven't got it yet."

Maybe not, but you've had 60 years of pleasure working on it.

I would add "International Wake Up Call" to the list.

You can bet the farm, another pandemic will happen perhaps not so far in the future. One thing that has been underscored time and again during this outbreak is how woefully unprepared humanity was for it.

We're doing better than back in The Spanish Flu era, but in a world as medically advanced and technologically savvy as ours, this is a disgrace.

We didn't dodge the bullet this time, but we were definitely merely grazed. Smallpox had a 30% fatality rate, Ebola 50% and Bubonic Plague 50% as well (95% if it progressed to pneubonic.) At a one to three percent fatality rate, this novel coronavirus is a relative pussycat.

I hope we learn a few things so the next time this happens, get the picture.

\\"You can bet the farm, another pandemic will happen perhaps not so far in the future." - Rabbitdawg//

I am not surprised at all that the latest pandemic arose in China which is probably the most populous nation on Earth. We are a rather large primate living in rather unusual circumstances for any animal. And primates when they live in cages are rather difficult to keep clean and healthy under the best of circumstances. Whenever any large group of animals are crammed into a close space there is a very high likelihood of disease breaking out.

Humans didn't evolve to live in huge megacities with millions of individuals all living so close together. For 200,000+ years our ancestors were hunter gatherers and lived in small tribes of about 25 related individuals living on (average) 25 square miles of land. They only time they interacted with their neighbors was either to find a mate or go to war and kill them when they became overcrowded.

My degree was in Animal Science and I worked managing animal facilities and my primary job was keeping the animals clean and healthy and preventing the outbreak of disease. What we humans are doing now with Corvid-19 is what I did for a living with animals during my working career, preventing cross contamination and the spread of disease.

"Whenever any large group of animals are crammed into a close space there is a very high likelihood of disease breaking out."

True, and it applies to this situation in more than one way. The virus apparently jumped from species to species (most likely originating in pigs and making its way to a bat or a pangolin) because all kinds of animals were crammed together in unsanitary "wet markets."

And the hub of the virus in the US is New York City, where people are crammed together in apartment buildings and subway cars. Another hub is New Orleans, where huge crowds celebrated Mardi Gras — no social distancing there.

"China which is probably the most populous nation on Earth."

I've read that India is actually more populous, and that China has relinquished its former lead due in part to its one-child policy. Critics who’ve analyzed its population statistics have pointed to ways in which they look fishy, and said that China is apparently reluctant to give up its claim to be the biggest country on earth.


Good summary of the benefits. I never realized people lived in the houses in my neighborhood until the past 2-3 weeks. It was like Chernobyl. It now reminds me of the 1940s, when people knew everybody 10 houses in each direction as they were outside some of the time, often sitting on their front porches. They all went inside after television arrived.

However, my immediate next-door neighbors remain strangers after two years. We introduced ourselves when they moved in, but I think they Googled my name and identified me as an "occultist," somebody to definitely avoid.

\\"China is apparently reluctant to give up its claim to be the biggest country on earth." Roger//

Can you imagine trying to feed that many people? Every day you got to come up with enough food to feed 1.4 billion people? It's no wonder they were eating bats and snakes and pangolins and dogs and cats?

I've read (don't know if it's true or not) that there are two sayings in China about eating animals, "if its back faces Heaven you can eat it" and "if it breaths you can eat it." {grin}

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