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Well I for one just want to read the book.

Thanks, Kris. All in good time ... 🙂

The use of the word “liminal’ is confusing to me in that Myers used the terms subliminal self and supraliminal self, meaning what today --- if I understand him correctly---might be called the subconscious mind and the conscious mind. Using Myers’s definitions, “liminal” might be seen as an interface between consciousness and the sub-consciousness, kind of like the interface between the surface of a body of water and the air above it.

Use of the term “liminal realm” suggests more than just an interface as Myers implied but a space or place where dreams, apparitions, out-of-body experiences, and past-life memories exist. But later on, liminal is defined as an “initial stage of a process”, not a place. However later, it is defined as “the space in which psi operates.” Further on, the term, “liminal self” is used but that is confusing to me because liminal is now applied to a self as well as a space, a process and perhaps an interface. I really don’t want to be nit-picky here but I think that use of the term “liminal” may tend to confuse some readers, especially those familiar with the work of Frederic Myers but maybe I just need to go back and reread it several times since I am confusing myself by even thinking about it. - AOD

I see what you mean, AOD. Actually I think of the liminal state as both a state of consciousness and a state of being. But I’m sure this could be made clearer. It’s a tricky thing to get across, sort of like trying to visualize 3D reality in Flatland terms.

Essentially I think what exists is experience. Experience implies a consciousness that processes the experience and a set of things that are processed into an experience. The transition from "physical" to "spiritual" is a change in the nature of one's experience. So it could be seen as a process, like changing one's mind, or a space, like the mental space occupied by one’s experience, or an aspect of the self, or an aspect of the environment. These distinctions become largely irrelevant if everything is experience.

But it’s not the easiest thing to communicate. ☹️

"In short, our consciousness and our reality (in the phenomenal sense) go hand in hand, and a change in one necessarily involves a change in the other. As we tune in to a different frequency, we're adjusting our consciousness and simultaneously adjusting our perceptions in order to receive a different kind of reality."

http://davidpratt.info
Mr. Pratt seems to be in agreement with you on this statement. But, judging from what you say about theosophy, I doubt you would get along very well...

By Jove, I think you've done it, Michael. A beautiful distillation and synthesis of all we have been discussing for years and all of the evidence and ideas out there. It's wonderful to see you using your great intellect and writing skills to put this together. Please keep going! I'm also looking forward to reading the book - and I'm sure that many many more people on both sides of the debate will be too.

Thank you! I feel like you are becoming our voice.

Oh...I also really like how you handle OBEs. I used to think that something literally left the body, etc, but now understand it per your explanation. I just could never get the framing and context right, as you did. Good stuff!

nicely put. it seems there is not transition between states. whatever state we are in is our current state of consciousness. i am looking forward to your further ruminations.

"...you lose your emotional and intellectual connection with the body..." So many NDErs express exactly this.

I hope you also address NDEs, and specifically, how virtually all have the same, or very similar narrative, making it highly unlikely they are "hallucinations."

Good luck.

I suspect the “tuning” idea may well be right. If I understand you correctly, consciousness is tuned to express itself through the vehicle it is associated with - at the moment for us, a physical body, but plenty of purported communicators talk about different kinds of body. Maybe our consciousness is the common factor, it’s expression limited only by the vehicle it is temporarily associated with?

Perhaps all the talk of “vibrations” is closer to the truth than we imagine.

The view you've arrived at is similar to the writings of 'Seth' and afterlife explorers like Robert Monroe etc.

Where consciousness itself exists across a spectrum, or at least manifested consciousness exists across a spectrum, and depending on where you are along it, the vibrations will differ. Moving to different realms is really you adjusting your own vibrations. In reality you are not really 'moving' at all, because from the absolute perspective, everything is One so nothing is actually happening. Again, all very similar to various mystical traditions.

Kashmir Shaivism uses the metaphor of a vibrating musical string. When the string vibrates, music is created, but there is nothing to the vibration other than the string.

Michael, I like your metaphorical approach. It’s realistic. For other than experiencing death while still residing primarily in the body (which I would argue mystics of various stripes actually get to do), the human mind’s only means of approaching this state of consciousness is through metaphor. (And that’s what the afterlife is, as you keep emphasizing—not a place, but a state of consciousness.)

What’s more, the frequency metaphor is a good one. It was really helpful to me back in 1991. That’s when I was just beginning to open up to the radical (for me) notion of a spiritual realm that mainstream science was neither accounting for, nor even slightly interested in.

I use to ponder in amazement the fact that in some very real sense, all the music, dramas, comedies, newscasts, police broadcasts, and so forth, now available to picked up by radios and TV’s in my area, are here as I speak, passing through my body. Think about that—a virtual infinity of information bathing me every moment of every day.

And given that, the possibility of other invisible but omnipresent forms of energy—vibrant, complex, perhaps even alive—was easier for me to accept.

I look forward to the next installment!

Hi AOD,
"Use of the term “liminal realm” suggests more than just an interface as Myers implied but a space or place where dreams, apparitions, out-of-body experiences, and past-life memories exist. But later on, liminal is defined as an “initial stage of a process”, not a place"

I don't see a problem here. A bathroom is both a place and process occur there (bathing). A waiting room is a place where you wait, etc.

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