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Michael said:

"I was talking about the animal kingdom in general, not just humans. Carnivores evolved to eat meat; if this was part of the cosmic plan, it seems inconsistent with love."

We know from the experiences of NDErs that violent deaths can look painful from the outside, but feel wonderful to the consciousness within the dying body.

Is it possible that an animal caught in the jaws of a predator and dying what seems to be a horrible death is actually, at some level, surrendering himself lovingly to his killer? Maybe we're seeing the dying throes of the body, but have no sense of the inward experience.

I was startled once to read the NDE of someone who was nearly killed in a murder attempt. I'll never forget his description of the ecstasy he experienced as the knife entered his body and he passed into another realm.

While I'm doubtful of "Love is All" I don't know if our eating meat or plants is an argument against it.

Who we are "in the game" and who we are outside may differ wildly, and what we deign to participate in could be very different. Heck I had a dream where I hated Daniel Radcliffe (Harry Potter) and when I awoke the animosity made no sense to me.

That said, one only has to look at the caste system in India to see where taking this kind of thinking that "we choose all that happens to us" as gospel can be detrimental.

Just wondering what does everyone think about people who have died more than once or at least once and say their is no afterlife just complete darkness no thoughts either ?. I think they are exploring the void experience.

"Isn't the willingness to be eaten a loving gesture? ;)"

Julie, I don't know how serious you are about this (because of your wink), but check out my comment at 5:44PM for a similar thought.

"Just wondering what does everyone think about people who have died more than once or at least once and say their is no afterlife just complete darkness no thoughts either ?."

They can only say they do not remember anything, not that they remember that there is nothing after death... are two different things.

Perhaps there is a tendency to take all of this transitioning from physical reality to spiritual realities far too seriously. If consciousness is prime and survives the dissolution of the form in which it manifests then dying is not loss but gain. If we grant survival of consciousness not only to human forms but to animal and other forms and reincarnation and transmigration of consciousness to higher forms is a fact then the mechanism of that transition is unimportant. Whether it is being mangled in a car crash, eaten by a lion or a human or dying in bed in a coma, transition occurs and according to some who have reported their experience during such events, they did not experience the pain and horror of their death. If consciousness is not highly developed as may be the case in lower animals or not firmly embedded in flesh as in some humans then transition to the spirit world may be easy and of little consequence. Now perhaps this is all rationalization but then again, maybe not. - AOD

Leo,
If people experience complete darkness they have experienced something; their consciousness has survived. I think that perhaps their experience was too short and they just hadn't moved on. However, in the telling maybe they meant that they just didn't remember anything rather than complete darkness. That's a different story. - AOD

Has this been covered on your blog, Michael?

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-baader-meinhof-phenomenon/

""Isn't the willingness to be eaten a loving gesture? ;)"

Julie, I don't know how serious you are about this (because of your wink), but check out my comment at 5:44PM for a similar thought."

I was only half joking, Bruce. Anything is possible.

We frequently discuss (and most of us defend) the transmitter/receiver model of consciousness.

I thought I'd do a back to basics and examine how a radio - a basic transmitter/receiver - actually works.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/radio.htm

Read the entire article. It's radio 101. I came away feeling even more convinced that the transmitter/receiver model is the one that best fits the evidence. I am pretty well convinced that the brain and nervous system are organic radios.

And yes, the universe is full of energy and information organized into waves or bandwidths. What you perceive depends on where your radio is set.

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