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Matt said:

"Grof is right that Void and Plenum are different aspects of the same thing. I think "God" is being-consciousness-bliss (sat-chit-ananda) of zero/infinite dimensionality.

That's pretty abstract, so I'll ask the question differently.

Suppose a friend approaches you who's intelligent, but unversed in metaphysical concepts. He's agnostic, let's say. And he's going through a hard time, struggling to make sense of his life.

Now he's coming to you because he knows you've given a lot of thought to spiritual matters, and he says, "Could you please describe for me the God you believe in?"

If you were limited to just a few paragraphs, what would you say to him?

"Personally, I have no problem with people disagreeing with one another in their beliefs and perspectives, as long as there is oneness on the issue of loving and serving our fellow human beings. To me, that, and not particular doctrines and beliefs, is the heart of religion and spirituality."

Yes!

"It might be wishful thinking, but I think that somehow we get to keep ourselves and become One with All at the same 'time.'"

I think that too! Also, te fact that we wish something to happen is not a reason for that thing not to happen (God! English is difficult :p) Maybe you want that to happen, and *feels* right to you, because you know deep inside you, that this is what is supposed to happen.

I think the debate is coming to an end... at least for me. It's been fun!

Matt said:

'It might be wishful thinking, but I think that somehow we get to keep ourselves and become One with All at the same "time."'

I think that's exactly right. In ways, and to an extent, that we can't possibly grasp, the spiritual realm seems to afford the opportunity to perceive reality from an astonishing array of perspectives all at once. Quite a few NDErs have commented on this.

I think anyone who is afraid of losing their individuality will be pleasantly surprised.

Lyn, "So merging with "it" but still having a personality intact may be our fate- as Mellon Thomas's description of "god" as a mandala of souls."

I like your perspective. I tend to think it is a pretty accurate one at the end of the day.

Bruce,

||Suppose a friend approaches you who's intelligent, but unversed in metaphysical concepts. He's agnostic, let's say. And he's going through a hard time, struggling to make sense of his life.

Now he's coming to you because he knows you've given a lot of thought to spiritual matters, and he says, "Could you please describe for me the God you believe in?"||

That's a tricky setup because he has enough voltage behind his belief system to consider himself an agnostic? But he wants, in a sense, for me to witness to him about my beliefs? In general, I don't do that. If people are suffering, I send them healing energy if desire it. (And sometimes I send it without asking with the caveat that their Higher Self can accept it or refuse it.)

When my friends are going through a tough time, I usually try to help them tackle the problems themselves, and perhaps there is a spiritual component to the proposed solution, depending. I have never had someone come to me wanting comforting in the form of telling them that God exists, etc. If someone did, I would probably start with evidence of the Afterlife.

But to answer your question directly, I would probably say, "I believe that God is the entire Universe which ultimately will ensure that each conscious entity finds happiness."

Thanks, Matt, for your response. I was actually try to move the conversation in a slightly different direction, but I'll have to elaborate on that when I have more time to write.

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