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I don't know how to put this so that people will be able to understand my thoughts. I don't know why atheists focus so much on the Big Bang Theory proving that God didn't create the universe (or no other higher being, etc) How could it have just miraculously happened in the first place? Where did all of that stuff come from? Does it seem natural that something exploded and blew out all sorts of material that then miraculously made planets that just happen to have a series of events take place that allow things to develop life.

Why should it have happened in the first place. How could there have been "nothing" that produced all of that something. Where was all of that stuff before? I guess my little mind just can't wrap around it.

Here's a nice video of one of the inflation theorists receiving the news that his theory has been confirmed.

http://tinyurl.com/netuduh

Hubba hubba! Kaley Cuoco, what a woman! I love The Big Bang Theory... the TV show that is. It's a hoot. Those guys have to be pushing 40 years old? When I hit 40 years old I had all ready been married for 19 years! So I wonder if it's possible to surf a gravitational wave? {grin!}

Johnny Galecki is 39 years old and Jim Parsons is 41 years old. Howard and Raj are in their early 30s in real life. Penny is the youngest of the bunch at 29 years of age. Amy Farrah Fowler is also 39 years of age and Bernadette is 34.

I still love the show. It's one of my favorites, even though I find it somewhat implausible. I guess it is so expensive to rent/live in Southern California that even with a PhD in physics one might need to share an apartment? It is rather ironic that Penny lives next door to them, by herself, and works as a waitress at the Cheesecake Factory, and seems to be able to survive financially?

Art, I posted that animated GIF partly with you in mind!

I'd bet that a Pasadena apartment could be expensive enough to require a roommate. But you're right about Penny. She doesn't even work as a waitress anymore, but somehow she still pays the rent. Then again, if I can believe Howard was an astronaut, I can believe anything.

j9, seeing the Big Bang as evidence of God or a Greater Intelligence is simply engaging in magical thinking.
Don't you know? Really smart people know that the Universe was created out of nothing. By nothing. Avert your gaze, move along, no magic to see in this point of view...
It all just happens to be here for the helluvit.
:D

It banged from nothing so don't question it.:D

@rabbitdawg is that sarcasm I hear ;)

The question "why should it exist in the first place?" always comes back to me when they say "well, it just exploded" Where did "it" come from? I mean really. It's just there, hanging out, surrounded by nothing? Existing in a void? With nothing to observe it or create it? And then, if there was something to observe and create it, where did that come from and why should it exist? It's all very mind blowing to me.

Rabbitdawg that is what I used to believe, in fact for the greater part of my life. It wasn't till around the year 2000, when I was 47 years old, that I suddenly developed an interest in the question of who we are and why are we here. Before that I guess I just believed we were a fluke of the Universe, an accident.

It took a lot of study and reading to change my mind. Now I lean decidedly the other way. I have a high degree of confidence that life has meaning and purpose, that we are here for a reason, that our Universe is some kind of strange holographic projection, and that after we die something of who we are survives.

In fact I believe that the Universe we inhabit now was made specifically to teach the soul the things it couldn't learn in "heaven." We are here simply to learn what can't be learned in heaven due to the differences between the physics of our universe and the physics of heaven. The physics of heaven is the physics one might expect if one were living in or on a piece of holographic film.

The physics of this universe is the physics of a projection from that film. This is the place of separation and the other side, heaven, is the place of oneness, connectedness, and no separation.

I was an even harder case, Art. I'm a year younger than you, but it took me until 2012 to get the drift.

"Don't you know? Really smart people know that the Universe was created out of nothing. By nothing. Avert your gaze, move along, no magic to see in this point of view..."

Really smart people know that God appeared out of nowhere - in fact he existed before time and space, and has always existed. He wasn't born and wasn't created. Then he designed a universe. No magic there, either.

Art, I hope you know I was being silly, a lot of what I write is tongue-in-cheek. I give the followers of this blog credit for having enough insight to see right through my facetiousness.

The next Big Question here is teleology, which is too closely related to theology for me to get bogged down into on a single internet post.
I will say that I personally believe an Intelligence greater than our ability to rationally comprehend exists within and without what we call "creation". That includes us people critters, as well Jupiter and Betelgeuse. The reasoning behind it all is beyond me, although looking for answers an awful lot of fun. A lot like playing an endless game of hide and seek.

At the end of the day, all we can do is go with the flow, and do the best we can to help this little creation along.

I am firmly in the Roger Ebert camp, what he told his wife right before he crossed over. By that time I believe Roger was sort of half-here and half-there so he was already getting information from the other side.

"The day before he passed away, he wrote me a note: "This is all an elaborate hoax." I asked him, "What's a hoax?" And he was talking about this world, this place. He said it was all an illusion."
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/news/roger-ebert-final-moments

I am a big believer in death bed visions. I think we could learn a lot from them. We put too much stock in this life, worry too much about it. This life isn't really about this life. I'm betting that what happens here is probably being controlled from the other side.

They cause stuff to happen to cause us to emote, to get all riled up, so that after we cross over we don't forget the lessons we experienced here. Another words this ain't the main show, the other side is. The education of the soul is too important to leave it up to chance.

It's odd how the Big Bang has come to be used over the years as the rational alternative to, and antithesis of, any notion of a creation or something akin to God...years ago when looking up the theory, for some reason I can no longer recall, I was given the impression the BBT (first postulated by a catholic priest no less) met great resistance in the scientific world for the very reason that it suggested a starting point, and therefore a need for a causal power, as opposed to the more comfortably godless Steady State Theory of "it's always been and there was no beginning". My impression was that the latter was keenly held on to by many scientific types because of the potentially supernatural succor that could be found in the idea of reality springing into being from out of nothing at a single point in the past.

Of course my online sources may have mislead me on all those points, but it certainly sounds the more likely scenario in such a debate.

"Really smart people know that God appeared out of nowhere - in fact he existed before time and space, and has always existed. He wasn't born and wasn't created. Then he designed a universe. No magic there, either."

Cool Hand Luke, if you equate God with just another item that needs to be created, then your point has a lot of validity. However, the major spiritual traditions don't see God like that. They see God as source and sustainer of all existence, making any and all existence possible. This is quite different from a thing or person or universe that needs to be created.

Lawrence B, I remember that the Objectivists (Ayn Rand fans) I knew in L.A. were very skeptical of the Big Bang for the reason you mentioned.

Piers, you make a good point. Theologians distinguish between necessary and contingent truths. Everything in the universe is contingent, so it would seem that the universe as a whole is contingent. Unless there is an infinite regress of contingencies, we need to find a necessary (non-contingent) starting point - something eternal that exists apart from the universe. This is a standard argument for God. (The usual rejoinder is that even if everything in the universe is contingent, the universe as a whole may not be. But this requires the universe to be more than the sum of its parts.)

I imagine Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church is having a very interesting life review right about now.

May God be more merciful than Phelps himself was.

Just because there was a big bang doesn't prove that there was a beginning. A lot of us are used to the notion of everything having a beginning and an end. What happens if that isn't true?. Who knows, this universe could of banged a million times already in between the creation of it over and over again.

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