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If NDEs were hallucinations, one would expect them to be about random things, but they are not. Why should there be any more consistency than in the content of dreams?

Dr. Craig Hogan, director of Fermilab, wrote in an article in New Scientist magazine in Janauary of 2010 that in a holographic projection there is a certain inherent degree of blurriness or fuzziness. In the original holographic film this blurriness wouldn't exist.

I theorize that the reason that the other side, the place we call "heaven", is the original holographic film and this side is that holographic projection and that is why there is a certain degree of blurriness or fuzziness on this side.

What near death experiencers are reporting is that while they are on the "other side" the fuzziness that we experience here won't or doesn't exist there. Another words, our physical bodies and brains limit how much information we can see. We aren't privvy to all the information that will be available to us after we shed our physical bodies.

"Or, to put it another way, a holographic universe is blurry but the grainy structure is much easier to detect."

"If NDEs were hallucinations, one would expect them to be about random things, but they are not. Why should there be any more consistency than in the content of dreams?" - Matt

The truth is that we don't have a clue what hallucinations are. We don't know how the mind works or what consciousness or sentience are. We don't even know where our thoughts come from or how they are generated. We know very little about the mind.

So saying something is a hallucination is just a way of denigrating or dismissing it. It all depends I suppose on how one defines hallucination?

To me a hallucination is just something that we don't know where it comes from or how it is generated. To someone else it might mean "not real" but I'm not so sure that's true.

We don't know where our universe comes from or how it is generated either. The funny thing about our universe is that a lot of things about fit the matrix-holographic-computer generated simulation idea. One wonders why this is so?

Michael what I love about research like this's the way the unexpected if not downright unwanted results then have to be jury-rigged to mean the exact reverse of what they'd normally be taken as meaning.

So when it's discovered gorillas and chimps whup our arses at iPad based IQ tests instead of acknowledging this superiority the idiot savant meme's reached for and suddenly evidence they're cleverer than us's becomes proof they're actually stupider than us.

Ditto when you suddenly become more vividly aware of the details of your surroundings such alertness's taken as an indicator you and your brain are more awake than normal and you're paying far more attention.

But because NDEs and other hallucinations aren't allowed to have any basis in reality said vividness suddenly becomes proof you're even more asleep than normal and paying even less attention.

Exactly, Matt. I've read many NDE accounts, and the thing that struck me was how similar they are. They are, and can be different, but there's a pronounced narrative similarity about most of them. Why would so many people have so-called hallucinations that are so similar?

It was "realer than real" because there is a certain inherent degree of blurriness in a holographic projection - which is what we are living in now. Another words, the other side or heaven, is the original holographic film that our universe is a projection from.

The great thing about that is that it means that everything we have loved and lost in this life - we get it all back. Everything we have been separated from still exists on the other side.

Matthew 18:18 "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

The materialist paradigm is SO strong that they literally can't come up with any explanation other than "the brain is lying."

If the brain is just lying, there wouldn't be (or at least shouldn't be) veridical NDEs. But there are.

you notice they assiduously avoid those phenomenon that point to knowledge of events unobtainable by a comatose patient. oN other words evidence of Psi.

In 1987, my father had emergency open-heart bypass surgery. I drove back from college but didn't get there until after the surgery. He told me later that while he was in the post-surgery coma, he was floating out of his body up in the corner of the room and saw me coming in.

Could be a dream/hallucination/weird perception. Except he told me later that I was wearing a pink and gray-striped shirt that he hadn't seen before. Which I was that day, although by the time he was conscious the next day and could actually SEE me with his eyes open, I was wearing something different.

"another possibility is that the experience is remembered as being more real than reality because it was, in fact, more real than reality - i.e., it was a partial emergence into a higher-dimensional reality in which consciousness is somewhat less restricted than it is on the physical plane."

Thanks for this, Michael. I'll go with that interpretation, though I'd probably leave out the "somewhat". :o)

There was a period of my life during which I would do one entheogenic journey a year, always in late summer. I can't tell you how it odd it was--each time I found myself back in that indescribably loving and ecstatic space, I had the sense that I was living all the other 364 days in an alternate reality. It was as if only those annual visits to the spiritual world were real.

Another parallel to the NDE is this : You might think that those journeys would make me resent the time I spend in normal consciousness. And to some extent that's true.

But overall, they helped me to see how meaningful and indispensable each level of reality is. And that keeps me plugging away, doing my best to make the most of the "Bruce Siegel game."

And that's the sort of pragmatic attitude I hear from most NDErs. They stress their longing to return to the other side, but also their renewed appreciation of this life, and their commitment to making better choices in regards to it.

What we might also have to say is that DMT, Drug and Schizophrenic fugues are also tastes of very real realities.

oopps, I posted this on one of the George threads, but it's more appropriate here:

Woman smells God during NDE, writes book:

“I saw an immense brightness. A brightness I could feel, touch, taste, hear, smell that infused me.” Not like I had five senses but more like I had 500 senses,” Crystal McVea, author of a new e-book, “Waking Up in Heaven: A True Story of Brokenness, Heaven, and Life Again,” told Fox host Gretchen Carlson.

Reminds me of a Simpsons episode where Homer meets God and describes him: "Perfect teeth, nice smell, a class act all the way."

Here's recent coverage of this study:

Link to an article on Sam Parnia's recent book, The Lazarus Effect, on his innovative resuscitation techniques:

j9 points me to a CNN news item about this study. The lead researcher is strongly skeptical and insists there is no evidence that mental activity can occur apart from the brain. Still, he takes the cases seriously and wants more research into NDEs, which is always a good thing.

When skeptics talk about NDEs they talk about it from such a very shallow perspective. They know so little about it and have obviously read very little about it. There are things about NDE's that go way beyond the tunnel and the light and feelings of euphoria and/or love.

They ignore or leave out the parts about feeling like you are literally everywhere in the Universe at once, overwhelming feelings of oneness and connectedness, 360 degree vision, time and space not existing, seeing colors you've never seen before, buildings that are "made out of knowledge," communicating telepathically, having "all knowledge", and during the life review experiencing your entire life in an instant, information being downloaded instantly like a "bolus of knowledge", feeling like you are the person you interacted with, feeling what they felt, hearing their thoughts of the people during your life review. The life review is a holographic experience par excellence.

These are all very "holographic" and quantum physics like things. I think the more colors than normal is because they are seeing the entire light spectrum instead of just a small part of it. The all knowledge, like being connected, is because you are literally a part of everything in the Universe - which is very "holographic."

I find all these things to be extremely evidential. For a housewife or a truck driver to make comments that seem to parallel or are congruent with things that I've read in books about the holographic universe or the quantum world is amazing to me because I highly doubt they have read Michael Talbot's or Dr. Fred Alan Wolf's books.

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