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"A teacher where only 5% or less pass the course is a very poor teacher and should probably look for another profession."

Donald Trump to God: "You're fired!"

:-)

Maybe the purpose of physical existence is to experience a variety of challenges. As Charles Tart has said, life might be seen as similar to boot camp - a tough but necessary training ground. If we assume that each person undergoes numerous incarnations, then perhaps the whole point is to see life "from all angles," so to speak - to know what it's like to be rich and poor, strong and weak, the oppressor and the oppressed, etc. Learning to love might be the ultimate objective, but maybe this is a lesson that can only be properly learned under fire. Perhaps we can only empathize with others if we have experienced what they're going through.

"Michael: do you doubt the validity of ALL claims of omniscience (or something like it) during an NDE?"

I don't doubt that people may sense that the Being of Light has all the answers. But I'm a bit skeptical that the NDEr himself gets all the answers, even temporarily. I agree with "no one" on this. Of course I could be wrong.

One pretty common theme of NDEs is that the experiencer sees that physical reality is not "really real," or is more like a show. The NDEr sometimes glimpses an underlying reality that gives rise to the show. Art (I think) would say that physical reality is a hologram projected out of a substrate of pure information. I'd be more inclined to say that physical reality is akin to a virtual reality simulation generated by an information processor. The two viewpoints are not very different.

Maybe "everything is connected" in the sense that all physical reality is produced by the same program (i.e., the same set of algorithms). An NDEr who got a glimpse of this might indeed feel he had access to "all knowledge," since all knowledge (of physical reality) is contained in the program. He wouldn't necessarily have achieved omniscience, though. He simply got a glimpse behind the scenes ...

'To see life from all angles'... MP

Exactly.

'Five simple but 'right on the nail' words.

Everyone will get the chance to be everyone until they don't want to, anymore.... and then the game will either end..or it will start all over again, forever amen.

"So which is it? Is a soul returned to the oneness of all things (which does sound an awful lot like obliteration of the personality) or does one have the option of focusing one's attention on some obscure piece of the hologram and residing there; potentially alone?" No One
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There is no "alone" in a holographic piece of film. Each piece contains the whole. All the information is scattered throughout the entire holographic film.

The main point of why we are here is to become separate unique individuals - something that can't be accomplished in Heaven due to it's holographic nature. But we don't lose that sense of "uniqueness" or separation after crossing back over into the Spiritual Universe.

Mark Horton's NDE is one of the best examples of a "holographic" near death experience.

Read Mark Horton's NDE:
(excerpt)"I was unique yet I was the tiniest part of the whole."

http://www.mindspring.com/~scottr/nde/markh.html

another really good essay to read in order to understand the holographic universe theory is an essay (probably written by Michael Talbot) called The Universe as a Hologram:

http://www.earthportals.com/hologram.html

By the way, there are no flaws in my theory, only misunderstanding and incomplete knowledge. If someone hasn't read Michael Talbot's book The Holographic Universe - and doesn't understand the implications of what it means to live in a holographic universe my ideas won't make sense.

I reiterate the main point of my theory is that we are here to become separate, unique, individuals and that "resistance is futile." The education of the soul is too important to leave it up to chance. The soul's lessons are embedded in our everyday lives and it is holistically imprinted with what it needs to learn regardless of who we are, or where we live, or what we believe.

It is impossible for me to type all my ideas down every time I post somewhere. My older sister has saved 40 pages so far of all my ideas and theories. There is no way I can re-post all of that every time I post somewhere.

"I'm not sure you reasoning is sound scientific methodology but it makes me smile :)" - sbu
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It is not supposed to be science. It is more like a murder trial with many witnesses or like a puzzle with a whole bunch of pieces.

The outer pieces framing the puzzle are quantum physics and the holographic universe theory and then inside are things like near death experiences, death bed visions, mystical and transcendental experiences, the work of some Mediums (I like George Anderson), EVP, etc.

It is like that game show Concentration where there are empty spaces up on the board and people guess letters then as they are successful the letters are put up on the board and eventually there are enough letters to where the person is able to guess the saying. The really neat thing is that once someone guesses the answer it just jumps out at you and it seems so obvious. That is the way my theory appears to me.

People who have NDE's say things like "time and space didn't seem to exist" or "I simply thought of a time and place and I was there" or "I thought of a mountain and it apeared." It reminds me of Dr. Fred Alan Wolf's book The Spiritual Universe where he talks about thoughts being things and consciousness creating reality. Also the stuff about time and space not being real matches perfectly with stuff I've read in some Popular physics books.

All that being said I doubt we will ever be allowed to know 100% absolutely for certain that there is life after death because if we knew absolutely for certain that our loved ones survived the death of their physical bodies and that one day we were going to be reunited with them forever in Heaven (or the Spiritual Universe) or the Implicate Universe or whatever the heck you want to call it then we might not mourn quite as much and death would cease to be the powerful lesson in what it means and how it feels to be separate.

The death of someone we love is the ultimate lesson in separation. Nothing else comes close. The more emotional the experience the more powerful and long lasting the memories that are made. And for that reason alone I doubt we will ever have a "Scientific" answer to life after death. There will never be an consensus where all the Scientist in the world agree that our "souls" migrate to another dimension upon the death of the physical body. Because if that happened then the death of someone we love wouldn't be the powerful lesson it is in what it means and how it feels to be separate.

Another thing I think is neat about near death experiences is that sometimes they will say something like "I saw more colors than we have in this life" or "there were more colors than normal."

I find this fascinating because our physical bodies are limited to only a fraction of the light spectrum. We see only a very narrow range of colors compared to the real length of the light spectrum. I theorize that once the soul leaves the body it is no longer limited to just the range the body sees and is able to see and encompass the entire light spectrum and they appear as "more colors than normal."

Also because there is an inherent blurriness in a holographic projection people who have NDE's come back and say things like "it was more real than here" or "it was clearer than normal" or "I had more consciousness than normal." Hogan made the statement in his article about the blurriness in a holographic projection and I simply put 2 and 2 together. Like pieces to a puzzle.

The really neat thing about the holographic theory is it means that nothing is ever really lost. All the things in this life that we have been separated from and thought we have lost still exist on the other side. All we will have to do is focus our attention on them and we will get them back because in a holographic piece of film each piece contains the whole and everything is infinitely interconnected with everything else. We experience separation from the things we love in this life to teach the soul what it means to be separate - but after we cross back over into the Spiritual Universe if we want those things back all we have to do is think about them.

Excerpt from Mark H's NDE (not mark horton): "Suddenly I thought of a mountain, I had seen as a child. When I looked up from the road there it was; The Mountain! Not just the mountain! But the most breathtaking mountain I had ever seen! Details the likes of which no one could imagine. Colors shades of color, shadows for which there are no words in the human language to describe it."
http://www.nderf.org/mark_h%27s_nde.htm


Josh Groban answer's No One's question

Josh Groban - You're Still You

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dK_TOg1KRM

On Star Trek Next Generation on the holodeck all the characters were generated by the starship's computer. They each acted and thought like they were separate but in actuality they were all connected to the computer.

excerpt from Michelle M's NDE:
"I remember understanding the others here.. as if the others here were a part of me too. As if all of it was just a vast expression of me. But it wasn't just me, it was .. gosh this is so hard to explain.. it was as if we were all the same. As if consciousness were like a huge being. The easiest way to explain it would be like all things are all different parts of the same body."
http://www.nderf.org/michelle_m's_nde.htm

excerpt from Mellen Benedict's NDE:
"As the light revealed itself to me, I became aware that what I was really seeing was our Higher Self matrix. The only thing I can tell you is that it turned into a matrix, a mandala of human souls, and what I saw was that what we call our Higher Self in each of us is a matrix. It's also a conduit to the Source; each one of us comes directly, as a direct experience from the Source."
http://near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html

excerpt from Riding the Dragon:
"Although no words were exchanged in that brief eye-to-eye encounter, it seemed to me the message was clear: "So, for a moment, you see. Relax. Don't take yourself so seriously! All is well. We are forever one."
http://www.issc-taste.org/arc/dbo.cgi?set=expom&id=00070&ss=1

Art - there are tons and tons of flaws in "your" theory - even if you don't recognize they are there, or think repeating the same 8-10 excerpts for years and years are indicative of proving a point.

Unfortunately - in my view....they just suggest that those 8 or 10 NDE's - Mark Horton's, for example, (which you probably have posted here 200 times in 2 years) support your point of view, which is a boilerplate high school level debate team tactic that seems like it shouldn't be allowed in a serious, evolving, creative conversation.

There are also tons and tons of OTHER nde's that don't reflect your holographic world view, or report things that are consistent with that idea, which is why it's difficult to take the experiences of others as"facts" at face value when cherry picked from the whole.

I think what gets troubling, at least for me, is when an idea goes from being an interesting idea - to a dogmatic insistence of being right, and people start feeling a bit clubbed over the head with being told how things are.

(when you are just guessing - as are the rest of us, and selecting a handful of examples that support your position because Michael Talbot's book was so meaningful for you is fine, but not representative of the final word on the topic)

The truth is, intellectually....for me at least - there is a huge helping of hypocrisy in the idea that we are SUPPOSED to evolve into an understanding that all of this is true......YET, at the same time, NOT supposed to believe it 100% because if we did - the pain of separation would no longer exist, hence obliterating what we are supposed to be learning in the first place.

I mean - if we are HERE to learn about separation, because this lesson is unavailable in "heaven" - are we NOT supposed to also evolve into the powerful realization that we are timeless, spiritual beings who are here to be compassionate and loving, simply because we would no longer feel the pain of separation, and hence...LOSE the whole lesson we are here to learn?


The more we evolve spiritually - the LESS benefit from the human experience we get. And if we are BORN with an enlightened point of view, or have an excpetional experience as a child that makes the idea of separation seem silly or temporary, in this case.....what is the point of the human experience?

I don't know - all of the ideas of "heaven" and that sort of thing feel silly to me - and I have a hard time imagining a universe that is contructed for our own life lessons and educational experiences alone.

Then again, watching Josh Groban's video's don't sound like a good idea to me either..:-)

I can certainly believe in the idea of survival of conciousness, but not in the sort of new age way that makes it all about airy fairy fun and fiestas when we get "home".

Art - there are tons and tons of flaws in "your" theory - even if you don't recognize they are there" - felipe
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I guess you told me.... nothing.

Well I think in an afterlife there's also a degree of loss, so I don't think learning about separation is necessarily our goal in life. From everything I've learned about the hereafter, it would be logical to see the world we're in right now as PART of the 'afterlife'. Or, more accurately, we are in a lower, generally murky and quite ignorant, planarian dimension. One onion layer in a really big onion. The physical universe is unique because it glues us to boundaries.

These boundaries create economics, or that we have limited resources and limitless desires. THIS I believe is the real meaning of life.. yes, one word-- economics.

Any higher plane does not have economics because anybody can have and do whatever they want, ie: limitless demand, limitless resources when your body cannot decay, and you can create matter with your mind. This removes 90% of quarrel, strife, stress, problems, etc. It's the 'real world', the way it's supposed to be, limiltless and free.

Economics forces us to uphold virtues, transcend problems, endure hardship, and grow in strength of character.

Although there may be a holographic aspect to the physics involved in the way multiple planes interact, this is the essence of the purpose of life here on Terra.

To elaborate on my last post, how is there loss in the 'afterlife'?

Because death here is when an individual moves to another plane. It's rather involuntary down here. It leaves us grieving because we're separated from somebody and they're someplace we have no real fathomable understanding of. We get confused, sad, torn.

The same thing happens 'over there'. You can move down planes, sometimes with the help of mediums, but you can't move up. If your significant other goes 'up', you can't follow. It's the same 'death' thing all over again. There's less ignorance, but still separation.

Or, I imagine more rarely, we may have a subject living it up in a 'Summerland' type environment (a hybrid physical / non-physical plane), who, for whatever reason, misses a few important psychiatric appointments (was it that Anthony Borgia book which mentioned psychologists as being important in other realms?), ends up flipping out, creating a lower vibration for himself, and getting stuck in some much darker place, perhaps after doing some willful act of cruelty.

Now, this person will be 'lost' to everyone else. Once again, expect grief and mourning.

Long story short, on Earth we're just experiencing the very BEGINNINGS of what life will be like for a long time to come. I wouldn't expect to say goodbye to certain concepts we may dislike down here in the physical plane.

Cheers

"Art - there are tons and tons of flaws in "your" theory - even if you don't recognize they are there, or think repeating the same 8-10 excerpts for years and years are indicative of proving a point. Unfortunately - in my view....they just suggest that those 8 or 10 NDE's - felipe
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No there aren't. I've read thousands of NDE's and about 1/3 of them make some allusion to the holographic nature of the Universe. I just happen to use the ones that I love and have bookmarked. So excuse me!

for instance......

excerpt from Tim's NDE:
"I could see the entire past and future and present at one "time". ...[snip]...Somehow every past event happened instantly at the same time without judgment, I recognized my past life"
http://www.nderf.org/tim_nde_4927.htm

excerpt from The Universe as a Hologram:
"At its deeper level reality is a sort of superhologram in which the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously."
http://www.earthportals.com/hologram.html

excerpt from Austin's NDE:
"Someone that I could not see spoke one sentence, one sentence that answered every question that I had ever asked and every question that I would ever ask for ever!!! I guess the best way for me to describe it would be to say that I was immediately Enlightened! ... [snip]... This world is like it is for a reason."
http://www.nderf.org/austin_t_nde.htm

I'm presently reading Chris Carter's book about Science and Near Death Experiences. Your statement reminds me of one of their tactics of every time some parapsychologist performs a successful experiment the skeptical materialist put up more hoops for them to jump through.

The truth is that no matter how many NDE's that I post that corroborate with the holographic universe you won't believe me because your mind is made up; plus I'm also suspicious that you actually know very little or nothing about the holographic universe theory. NDE's and the holographic universe theory corroborate one another. They are all part of a puzzle that when looked at together paint a picture that our Universe is the way it is for a reason.

This is a place that the soul comes to learn a few very simple lessons before merging back into the Implicate holographic spiritual universe. We are presently living in a holographic projection, maya, an illusion - that we have to believe is real in order to generate the kind of emotion that is needed to overcome the immense feelings of oneness and connectedness that exist on the other side. We here in the "physical" universe can't begin to comprehend the overwhelming feelings of oneness and connectednes in heaven.

The main problem with many of the NDE accounts you reference are that they probably never occured. When you go to places like NDERF.org you might be mislead to think that it's something everybody have had. But in reality they are rare and the subject often die shortly after, like the dentures man. That's why it's difficult to do serious science in NDEs.

"The main problem with many of the NDE accounts you reference are that they probably never occured." - sbu
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"all crows are black, there is no need to seek demonstration that no crows are black; it is sufficient to produce one white crow; a single one is sufficient." - William James

Forget science. Science will never prove that there is life after death. There will never be a scientific consensus that there is life after death. It is more like a jury trial with many witnesses. You listen to the witnesses and make a decision based upon the preponderance of the evidence. Each individual will have to decide for themselves whether they believe it or not.

"As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." Joshua 24:15

"That's why it's difficult to do serious science in NDEs." - sbu
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"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." --A. Einstein

You just look at the preponderance of the evidence and decide for yourself what you want to believe. If the idea of life after death scares you then by all means dismiss it - and I promise not to follow you around the afterlife chanting "I told you so, I told you so!"

On the subject of black crows, I'd like to mention monochromatic foul of another variety: The Black Swan, by Nassim Nicholas Taleb.

Not sure if MP has ever reviewed it, but readers of this site may find it interesting.

"Not sure if MP has ever reviewed it"

Nope. I read part of the book but couldn't get into it. A lot of smart people think very highly of it, though.

Forget science. Science will never prove that there is life after death.

If that's your position I don't understand why you have turned your back to the bible. I regard the witnesses to those events more reliable than much of the junk you can find on the internet regarding this topuc.

It's the sum total of ALL the evidence that convinces me. Not one single piece. Like a puzzle with many pieces.

"Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real." - Niels Bohr

Well the Pam Reynolds case just got a less user friendly for Dr Woerlee. That is pretty impressive seeing as is the case really was unfriendly for him.

This is from the Journal of Near Death Studies Volume 25, Number 4, Summer of 2007 on page 259

This is from Dr Sabom

Steven Cordova, Neuroscience Manager at the Barrow Neurological Institute, who was the intraoperative technologist responsible for inserting small molded speakers into Robert Spetzler's patients in the early 1990s when Reynolds's surgery was performed, told me that after these speakers were molded into each external auditory canal, they were further affixed with ``mounds of tape and gauze to seal securely the ear piece into the ear canal'' (S. C. Cordova, personal communication, October, 10, 2006). This ``tape and gauze'' would ``cover the whole ear pinnae'' making it extremely unlikely that Reynolds could have physically overheard operating room conversation one hour and twenty five minutes after anesthesia had been induced.

So now along with all the other problems I have documented with Dr Woerlee's argument we know now the earplugs were tapped in and covered with gauze! So the earplugs could not have fallen out and now we got three things dampening Pam Reynold's hearing.

1.) tape and gauze
2.) custom fitted earplugs
3.) the constant beeping at approximatively 100 decibels

and she was unconscious under general anesthesia .

Somedays it sucks to be a pseudo skeptic. This is one of those days :)

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