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“But when she was nearly within reach, the figure withdrew her hands and told the subject, through her eyes, that is was not yet her time and that she would have to return.”

I guess she did not get a spiritual hug from the other side. Does anyone know if spiritual hugs are common in the NDE experience?

The “through her eyes” part is telepathic communication.

“I passed through the tunnel very fast and at its end I saw ... a bright light ... that did not hurt my eyes.”

This is common the bright light but it does not hurt their eyes.

The article notes that upon waking up, the boy "felt disappointed as he did not have enough time to see what was going on at the end of the tunnel."

He didn't make it into the Light. I remember reading in one of Dr. Melvin Morse's books that it is "contact with the Light" that makes the changes in a person. There is something in that Light which forever changes people. If the experience doesn't last long enough to make it into the Light, it may not be as spiritually transformative as one that does make it into the Light. There is something about making contact with the Light. The Light is the key.

“There is something about making contact with the Light. The Light is the key.”

I agree Art that bright light I suspect is the overwhelming love and compassion and acceptance that is so rare that we seldom if ever experience this level of love and compassion on this earth. I know most think compassion is common on earth but my experience during a visitation and a life review in a dream state or (OBE?) is that compassion is rare, very rare on this earth plane of existence. We appear to be in the sympathy and empathy range of experiences towards others.

Sympathy being “I feel for you” and empathy being “I know how you feel”. Compassion is beyond words and appears to be based in some purer form of awareness and understanding rather than feelings.

To experience that light must give one a feeling better yet an understanding not mere knowledge but a new found awareness that there is more to this life than materialism. I know of a person that experienced that bright light during an OBE and it gave her such knowledge that she wrote a book on her experience and it appears to me as very profound knowledge.

We appear to be intelligent Beings of light. Well ok not always so intelligent.

Hmmm, the original upload seems to have been deleted at the request of a third party, I wonder why. Fortunately I uploaded the same files to another host that same day, they can be downloaded here.

Probably a copyright violation. The journals in question typically charge for reprints of their articles.

I find that people want to take written accounts of NDEs so literally, and I'm not sure that is really possible. I took part in a study of NDErs and one of the questions they asked was "is it possible to describe your experience adequately in words". I know that my answer to that one was a really big "NO!!!!". After they ask you that, then they want an account of your NDE... in words... crappy, inadequate words.

I did the best I could. But it isn't very good. Words totally suck. I suspect other NDErs have run into the same problem.

"I did the best I could. But it isn't very good. Words totally suck. I suspect other NDErs have run into the same problem." - Sandy

According to Emanuel Swedenborg angels communicate with boluses of information, which sounds real holographic, meaning that instead of individual words they communicate whole thoughts, downloaded instantly into each other's minds so that there is no misunderstanding. The thought forms full formed in your mind and it's like you have full understanding. I understand exactly what they are talking about because this is what happened to me one time, only it wasn't during a near death experience. It happened instantaneously when I walked from our kitchen into living room.

"I agree Art that bright light I suspect is the overwhelming love and compassion and acceptance that is so rare that we seldom if ever experience this level of love and compassion on this earth." - william

Every once in a while it does happen to people in this physical life separate and apart from the death experience. It's rare but it does happen. It's like when people fall into some kind of strange meditative state or something. I've had it happen to me. I seem to recall that it actually happened to me one time in Sunday school when I was quite young, but it only lasted a brief second, and the other time when all that other stuff was downloaded into my brain.

I love the experience described in Transcendental Experiences of Scientists on the TASTE site, and especially the story called Riding the Dragon about the Medical doctor that is at a conference and I'm guessing that he was so bored that he fell into a trance like state and had that full blown transcendental experience where he experienced the oneness of the Universe. It really is a wonderful read.

Riding the Dragon:

I did save all those PDF files. Shall we make a webpage to list them all, with links to read them? I could make a new page at . Do you want to add any more of your own?

Ian, you may run into issues of copyright infringement if you do that. I suspect that's why the files were taken down in the first place.

At this point I've almost thrown in the towel on trying to protect copyrights (at least other people's copyrights) on the Web. It just seems to be impossible. But I still sympathize with authors and publishers who are getting the shaft.

When my beloved and I were first in contact, he used very few words (as we understand them) but hoped I'd pick up more of the language of Spirit. He was fighting a losing battle in one way, because I'm a writer and I need words! :) We've learned more of each other's languages since then. When I cross over, and sometimes when we're talking on this side of the veil, we'll use what is now his native tongue. It's like the downloads of information Art mentioned, in nature - but since my Louis isn't an angel, and I'm mortal, I don't get great chunks of info. It's more like a feeling or idea coming across in an instant, without the time or structure of words. Louis's also taken to channelling writing through me, which means he's done a crash course in English! And glad I am of it; he has a beautiful way of bending it to his meaning.

Have a look at Gerald Woerlee's latest pearls on Skeptiko.

According to Woerlee, a girl(shot in the neck, I think) who was 'sheet faced'(that particular hospital's term for dead as a doornail) and being shocked back to life(and who's heart was restarted on the third attempt) was.."NOT dead....if she was dead,she would not have been resuscitated"

So there you have it. Lets pack up the aware study and go home, Gerald has pointed out a fatal flaw. You can't be dead unless you stay dead. Urrrrrrrrr

For Trev:
Once the silver cord (which connects the physical body to the etheric body) is severed all the shocks in the world cannot bring a person back to life in this world.

It's not when the heart stops or the brain function ceases that one 'dies' - it's only when the cord is severed.

The spirit body released from the physical body immediately functions in the next dimension and no power on earth can join the two bodies together again.

You might be right, Zerdini. There may be a chord. I have heard it mentioned from time to time(but not very many times)
To me it seems a bit superfluous but I'll certainly have a look if I ever find myself disembodied. It's number three on the list now after.....

1. Looking on top of the shelves in the aware study.
2.Frightening the hell out of Gerald Woerlee.

"Words totally suck."

Iris Murdoch in her book "Metaphysics as a Guide to Morals" talks about how the Kabbalists viewed language. It was always mystical to them because 'it reflects the fundamental spiritual nature of the world'. Speech reaches God because it becomes God.

Post-structuralists like Jacques Derrida kind of followed this line when they said that all meaning and knowledge depend on conceptual relations - the idea that there is nothing but the great net of language, no meaning outside the relations between words, no "I" capable of being in truthful relationship with the world. Murdoch says that we do not speak or use language so much as are spoken or used by it.

Words don't have to suck, Sandy.

Trev: To me it seems a bit superfluous but I'll certainly have a look if I ever find myself disembodied.

If it wasn't there you wouldn't be living on earth Trev!

See Ecclesiastes 12:6-12:7

Speaking of disembodied, I lost my dad recently and experienced a pretty incredible tactile, full-color dream that I'd like to throw out to this group for intrepretation. I absolutely consider the dream a "visitation."

Dad, a lifelong classical music lover, was floating upside down in front of me, holding out a CD that was bright white and covered in gold fleur de lis. He was concealing one side of his face with his hand. Dad died pretty much a pauper but did leave us a beautiful collection of classical music, so one part of the dream's meaning seems clear- listen to the stuff! However, the upside down business, the fleur de lis, the hand covering the face are all open to interpretation.

I do believe this is an actual communication and would love any thoughts. A million thanks.

I don't necessarily trust the Old Testament, Zerdini.
As I say, you may be right.

What made you cite the Old Testament Zerdini? :)

Trev and Paul:
Simply to illustrate that mention of the silver cord has been around for thousands of years viz. "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."

This doesn't mean that every word in the OT is true rather that amongst all the verbiage there is the occasional nugget of truth.

From Kevin Williams' website:

The silver cord has been described as being smooth, very long, very bright, like an elastic cable made of light, about an inch wide, sparkling like a tinsel on a Christmas tree, and attached to one of several possible locations on the physical body. During the dying process, as the spirit body leaves the physical body and moves farther away it, the silver cord becomes thinner as it is stretched to its limit and becomes severed. When this occurs, the spirit body is released from being attached to the physical body. At this point, it becomes impossible for the spirit body to ever return to the physical body. For this reason, we can define "irreversible death" as that point when the silver cord becomes stretched to its limit and severed. This is the so-called "point of no return." This boundary point may also be accompanied by the appearance of a particular landmark representing a boundary such as a river, a wall, a fence, or a canyon. Once this barrier is crossed, the near-death experience becomes an irreversible death experience.

Many experiencers have felt the pull of the silver cord when it is stretched near its limit. They often describe the experience as being instantly retracted to their physical body - like stretching a rubber band to near its limit and then releasing one end of it.

This silver cord is our spirit body's "lifeline" to our physical body in the same way that our umbilical cord is our "lifeline" to our mother's body during the birth process.

During the death process, should the physical body be subjected to a violent death, such as in a severe car accident, the silver cord is severed before the impact preventing the pain that is experienced by the physical body from being felt by the spirit body.

Regarding Susan Blackmore:

Susan Blackmore, a former parapsychologist with heavy skeptical leanings, is considered one of the world's leading authorities on OBEs and NDEs. She herself had a NDE while attending Oxford University during the early 1970s. By her own admission she "spent much of the time stoned, experimenting with different drugs."

During her first year at Oxford she had a NDE after several hours on the Ouija board while stoned on marijuana. The experience also occurred during a period of her life when sleep deprivation was common for her. She describes herself as having been in "a fairly peculiar state of mind" when she had the NDE.

I take your point Z. :)

Blackmore spent most of her time stoned and experimenting on drugs at university? Presumably this is where she obtained her PhD?
Hm. Interesting.

Back to the dream, guys.

The fleur-de-lis is an ancient symbol, or so I gather. Extends much further back than the French and their usage of it to denote royal lineage. And a deceased father presenting himself as hanging upside down - perhaps indicating that everything he had known as reality is topsy-turvy, completely on its head?

Here is an apparent experience with one whose "silver cord" has been severed.

I'd say that trumps Kevin Williams. It certainly has it all over Susan Blackmore smoking weed while on the ouija board.

Speaking of NDEs, I read this interesting article today...

That is an interesting study Mark. I wonder if their idea is that the entire NDE experience is occurring in this 30-180 second period of time.

I read that article Mark, it doesn't seem like anything too terribly new, I remember back around October someone reported the same thing (Discovery channel's website had an article on it), an NDE skeptic Kevin Nelson even commented on it.

Jean, You probably can interpret your dream the best, since it was meant for you, but I guess I'll have a go at it for fun.

To me it seems to be about this incredible journey and transformation. Nothing is familiar anymore. Such freedom. Just letting go and trusting the universe to look after you, no matter what happens, enjoying the new perspective (even upside down) and opportunities as they arrive.

The fleur de lis seems to me about cherished old traditions and faith. Like the important stuff fits what he believed. He found the light as promised.

I know this is not your favourite territory, but Susan Blackmore didn't have a near death experience. She claims to have had an OBE while smoking weed(or it might have been resin)
This is the problem with M/s Blackmore. Whenever she's been interviewed as the source of all knowledge on such matters, she claimed/claims to have had all the features of the NDE, so that she can rubbish the testimonies of those people that have ACTUALLY had one.
It's very naughty..and you know what, people believe her. They ought not to. She is a princess of Academia and she's done a lot of damage to parapsychology.

Did I say princess...more like a maid, now.

Hey Michael,

Prahlad Jani is in the news again today, apparently successfully repeating tests undertaken a few years back where he eats and drinks nothing in a controlled environment.

How interesting it'll be if after the 15 days are up he shows no ill consequence.

Zerdini, I know this is not your favourite territory, but Susan Blackmore didn't have a near death experience. She claims to have had an OBE while smoking weed(or it might have been resin)

You are right - she did not have a NDE - she had a drug-induced OBE.

I appeared on TV with her many years ago (on opposite sides of course) and wasn't impressed with her theories. She used to be the sceptic who was wheeled out on any paranormal discussion programme.

Anyway, her detailed account of how it all began together with her comments and conclusions can be read here:

Thanks, Zerdini.

I am not sure, even based on her own description, that she (Blackmore) even had what I would call a classic OBE.

Very true, Erich. To me it was a drug-induced OBE - more like a vivid hallucination than a classic OBE.

Blackmore assumed that because the rooftops of the buildings she saw in her OBE were not the same color as the rooftops of the building she was in were different that her OBE couldn't have been a true OBE.

People who have NDEs routinely say that they saw "more colors than normal" which seems to say to me that after we cross over that we will be able to see a much wider range of the color spectrum. Our body seems to limit us to a very narrow view of the light spectrum. It is possible that after we cross over we will be able to see the entire light spectrum much as bees and some other creatures can see in the infra-red.

Another thing that possibly happened was that Blackmore didn't stay in that time period but was transported into another time frame. There is an interesting story about two women who were visiting Versailles, France and were in a garden and were suddenly transported back 100 years into the past. They were seeing everything in that garden as if it were 100 years ago. I read this story in Talbot's Holographic Universe.

If in a hologram everything is "there", past, present, and future, then simply by refocusing the angle at which you are viewing the hologram will allow one to go deeper into the past or future. Blackmore may have been viewing those buildings as they appeared in the past, or how they will look in the future. In an OBE one is not limited to just this time period. The color of the roofs may change in the future or they may have looked different in the past.

The inside of a flower looks very different to a bee than it does to a human. They see a part of the light spectrum we do not see.

Some humans can see glows or auras around other humans. It is possible that they are seeing light emitted by people - which means they are seeing a part of the light spectrum that the average person does not see.

Time and space, light, etc. are all very flexible and fluid and we can't assume that after our soul's leave the body that the Universe will look exactly like it looks to us now. Mark Horton said that he simply had to think of a time and place and he was there, experiencing everything about that time and place. Simply by focusing your attention to another time period you could be transported back to it. The most fleeting thought may transport one to another time period.

What Susan Blackmore experienced may have been very real and not "just a hallucination."

Art - Are you confusing NDE's with OBE's?

Blackmore didn't have a NDE she had a drug-induced OBE.

Art wrote:

There is an interesting story about two women who were visiting Versailles, France and were in a garden and were suddenly transported back 100 years into the past. They were seeing everything in that garden as if it were 100 years ago. I read this story in Talbot's Holographic Universe.

“ An Adventure” was published in 1911 which featured the story of two English spinsters on holiday in France who took a stroll through the gardens of the Palace of Versailles, home of the French kings in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, and walked, they believed, into the past.
Both were utterly respectable, successful in their careers, and not, apparently, given to fantasy. Charlotte 'Annie' Moberly was principal of an Oxford college, Eleanor Jourdain the headmistress of a girls' school near London.

On the afternoon in question, 10 August 1901, the women were trying to reach the Petit Trianon, one of the most attractive of all the buildings dotted throughout the great park of Versailles. The map in their guidebook, however, was not clear, and they picked their way tentatively along the winding pathways and through the trees. According to their account, strange things happened as they walked.

The people they came across seemed to be wearing eighteenth-century clothes. First, there was a woman shaking a white cloth out of the window of a building, then a couple of 'very dignified officials, dressed in long greyish-green coats with small three-cornered hats'. Next, Miss Jourdain noticed a woman and a girl standing in the doorway of a nearby cottage. They too were both dressed in the style of a bygone era: 'Both wore white kerchiefs tucked into the bodice, and the girl's dress, though she looked 13 or 14 only, was down to her ankles.' On her head she sported 'a close white cap'.

On they wandered to their most sinister encounter. On the steps of a kind of round summerhouse sat a man wearing 'a cloak and a large shady hat'. He 'slowly turned his face, which was marked by smallpox: his complexion was very dark. The expression was very evil and yet unseeing ...' Suddenly, they heard the sound of someone running, and a young man appeared as if from nowhere, shouting that they were going in the wrong direction. He wore a dark cloak 'wrapped across him like a scarf and quaint buckle shoes.

At last they reached the Petit Trianon, where Miss Moberly, but curiously not Miss Jourdain, noticed a woman apparently sketching. Again, she seemed to be dressed in eighteenth-century style. Finally the women met a young man who directed them to the entrance. They both recalled that he had come out of a nearby building, slamming the door behind him.

Sceptics have marshalled a formidable case against the claims of the two 'adventurers'. They have pointed out that the descriptions of the people encountered are so vague that it is, for example, impossible to decide whether they were wearing authentic eighteenth-century dress or clothes that were merely rustic or somewhat old-fashioned. Why, they ask, did the two women not discuss their experience immediately after the walk, over their tea at the Hotel des Reservoirs - instead of waiting a week to compare notes? Why do their accounts of the 'adventure', written at various times before the book was published, differ markedly? In particular, why do telling details, missing from the earliest versions, suddenly appear in later ones?

Perhaps most crucial of all is the women's reluctance to look for, and accept, a natural explanation for the events of that summer afternoon. They were, after all, in unfamiliar surroundings and had lost their way in a maze of pathways and thickets; the weather was sultry and there was an oppressive, brooding atmosphere - the kind that often precedes a thunderstorm. In such circumstances imagination can work overtime, and even the most respectable of academic ladies may be forgiven for indulging in romantic reverie, especially since, as one critic has put it, there are few places in the world in which it is easier to imagine ghosts than the vast palace of Versailles. The echoing halls of the great chateau, the labyrinthine walks of the main park with their stone benches and frozen statuary, the haunted gardens of the Petit Trianon - all are alike murmurous with the footfalls of history.

Dame Joan Evans, an Oxford art historian and friend and literary executor of the two authors of “An Adventure” was one of those who settled for a down-to-earth explanation. She discovered from a book published in the 1960s that a rakish aristocrat called Comte Robert de Montesquiou-Fezenzac had been obsessed with the fashions of the eighteenth century and often wore clothes of the period. Moreover, he frequented the gardens of Versailles and organized tableaux vivants or pageants in which he and his cronies wore eighteenth-century costume. Dame Joan concluded that Miss Moberly and Miss Jourdain had stumbled upon one of the count's rehearsals and that all the people they had met in the gardens had been acting.

Miss Moberly is known to have mistaken a real person for a ghost on at least one occasion. Two years after An Adventure was published she visited the Louvre in Paris, where she noticed an extraordinary man. He had 'a small golden coronal on his head, and wore a loose toga-like dress of some light colour'.

After much research, she decided that she had seen the ghost of the Roman Emperor Constantine, who had marched in procession down the road over which the Louvre was later built. But this exotic little scenario was demolished in the 1960s when a Sunday newspaper revealed that there had been an artist living in Paris at the time of the 'vision' who had gone about dressed as a Roman, complete with gold crown, in protest at the ugliness of current fashions.
In a letter to The Times it was suggested that Miss Moberly had also jumped to the wrong conclusion in her identification of the 'sketching lady'.

Waking up dead: Kansans share near-death experiences

Reported by: Dana Hertneky
Last Update: 4/29 10:38 pm

WICHITA, Kansas - It was just about two years ago when Shirley Williams walked into Wesley Medical Center's emergency room.

"I could feel the life just going away, it just seemed like every step that I took was going to be the last," she recalls.

Within moments she was dead.

"Our outlook was so poor that we called family to let them know because it didn't look like she was going to come back," said Dr. Ravi Bajaj, Williams’s cardiologist.

Still, doctors continued trying to save her.

"I can hear voices and then all of a sudden I could see them working on someone but I didn't realize at that point it was me, because I was looking down at them,” said Williams. “They were working feverishly to get me to come to."

Then Shirley says she saw a glimmer of light and started moving toward it.

"Once I entered the light all I could feel was this peace that I never felt before," she said. "Peace and so much love there and I was just light as a feather. I wanted to stay there I did not want to come back.”

Her experiences were very similar, to those of Dan Borst who also had an out-of-body experience when he died on the emergency room table after a bad car accident.

"It was the most perfectly brilliant bright light but it had a golden aura to it,” said Borst. “It was blinding me, so I turned my head to the left. I saw they were working on my body."

Borst also believes he saw heaven.

"The grass was perfect there, the trees were perfect there. I felt peace like I never felt before in my life."

They're stories Dr. Bajaj has heard before. Like Shirley, some patients he's brought back from the dead have reported a bright light, a sense of peace, and visions of loved ones.

"The reason I don't think this is quote just a dream is the consistency of what they, patients, tell you, that it's almost always a similar story which you hear," said Dr. Bajaj.

That's what Dr. Jeffery Long, a Louisiana oncologist also contends in his book “Evidence of the Afterlife”.

Touted as the largest study ever of near-death experiences he says the 1,600 accounts he studied are so similar, and cross age and cultural boundaries to such a degree they prove evidence of the afterlife.

Psychologists, however, argue there's a more scientific explanation: the bright light and euphoric feelings are the effects of the brain shutting down.

"This can all be explained as part of brain death,” said Dr. John Valusek. “When brain death occurs and the heart's no longer beating and chemicals are no longer flowing to the brain there are still activities that a patient may be responding to.”

The dead loved ones could possibly be repressed memories.

But what about the out of body experiences? Dr. Valusek says even skeptical psychologists can't find a medical explanation. In fact, he says science is leaning the other way that these accounts of people leaving their bodies are true.

"There's now enough scientific information available to suggest that maybe these out-of-body experiences are going on and there's a more definitive kind of proof now," said Dr. Valusek.

For Shirley, she has all the proof she needs.

"I know what I saw was real,” she stresses.

And it's changed her forever.

“Because I’ve seen the bigger picture, I’ve seen what God has for us," she said.

MP what do you think of this study? It appears to show increased "spike" acitivity in the brain just preceeding death. Could it account for the lucidity that is posited as strong evidence in favour of survival?

Thanks, Sandy. I appreciate your comments. The experience was so profound that I felt the need to share with like-minded individuals -- the kind I don't necessarily run into on a daily basis at a law firm of all places. For me, it was adequate proof of my dad's continued existence.

Thanks again.

Will, that's an interesting news report.

michael duggan,
Who knows what it is...but I certainly don't think it's ammunition for Woerlee. Maybe, God forbid, the souls of those patients were still in there and that was the shock reaction to being unplugged. But that would only be 'Doctor Trev's' patent suggestion and I am not a doctor.

The Scientific American article is another example of the unethical reporting of science today. Just like the CO2 story a couple weeks ago, they through the story out there, knowing the public won't be able to discern what it really means.

I see a few problems in the study.

1. There are seven individuals in the study. Seven. How can you make grandiose conclusions on such a controversial topic with seven participants? You can't.

(What about NDE's of patients who don't have low oxygen to their brain?)

2. The participants were in a similar medical condition, that is sedated and critically ill. The doctor could have posite that the brain spike was caused by these specific conditions and in no way corresponds to the Near Death Experience.

3. Did any of the patients in his study have an actual NDE? If they did, he does not say in the story.

4. His theory does not account for extended time veridical aspects of the experiences, such as the ones I posted above, and countless others. (long conversations and procedures, for example). The events do not happen in a matter of seconds or a few minutes. They're duration is much longer, longer than these brain bleeps.

(I think it's funny that NDE skeptics deny the transcendence of th NDE, yet give a dying, broken brain such amazing powers of mempry creation and philosiphical capabilities.)

5. Why do these cascading nerves in memory only fire and create a brain show about passed loved ones nad angels and divine beings? I love my dog more than most people? Why do they not appear. I love to eat, as many people do. Shouldn't you expect a vision of some ethereal Golden Corral?

6. So, what is the significance, if any, of the brain bleep to the NDE? The doctors could have easily posited that the electric activity wa the result of a shock the brain recieved will the consciousness of the individual exitted the body.

Also, I think we should take into account other death-related spiritual experiences. Death bed visions are similar to NDE in content, yet they are not unconscious, an their brains are active and their minds coherent. Many are well and normal, except for talking to an angel or a passed relative, or seeing the light.

Now I am not an expert on NDE's, but these guys aren't either. One thing is for sure, their research does not explain the Near Death Experience. The research only provides us with a "what happens" in a dying brain, not a "why does it happen" or its significance. They can claim more than what they have, and the desperate-for-headlines hacks in the media can trump them up all they like.

It remains with us to interprate the information with critical thinking.

It appears to show increased "spike" acitivity in the brain just preceeding death. Could it account for the lucidity that is posited as strong evidence in favour of survival?

Andrew Jackson Davis, the Seer of Poughkeepsie (1826-1910) described the process of death as he clairvoyantly saw it:

The seer first describes how, upon death, 'the various internal organs of the body appear to resist the withdrawal of the animating soul. Next the head became enveloped in a mellow, luminous atmosphere. The cerebrum and the cerebellum expanded their interior portions and discontinued their appropriate galvanic functions. Then the brain became highly charged with vital electricity and vital magnetism, "that is to say, the brain as a whole suddenly declared itself to be tenfold more positive over the lesser portions of the body than it ever was during periods of health. This phenomenon invariably precedes physical dissolution."

The brain next began to attract the elements of electricity, magnetism, motion, life, and sensation into its various departments.’..... 'head became intensely brilliant to the same proportion that the extremities of the body grew darker. Gradually in the mellow, spiritual atmosphere which surrounded the head the distinct outlines of another head appeared.

The 'head became intensely brilliant to the same proportion that the extremities of the body grew darker. Gradually in the mellow, spiritual atmosphere which surrounded the head the distinct outlines of another head appeared..... "eliminated and organized from out of and above the material head."

As this new spiritual head appeared, the brilliant atmosphere that had surrounded the brain of the old body contributed its light to the new organ and gradually faded out of the corporeal brain. This process of progressive development continued until a complete body had been exuded, more radiant and more beautiful than the physical organism, but similar in general appearance. "The spirit rose at right angles from the head or brain of the deserted body."

But at the final dissolution of the relationship between the two constitutions, Andrew Jackson Davis saw "playing energetically between the feet of the elevated spiritual body - a bright stream or current of vital electricity." This current he termed an umbilical thread capable of being drawn out "into the finest possible medium of sympathetic connection (...)."

At death the physical umbilical thread is broken however, and a certain amount of the electrical element which moves through it flows back into the physical body, where, diffusing itself, it prevents immediate decomposition. In the case under analysis, the time required for the complete release was approximately two and one-half hours, but this is not advanced as a rule.'

How long does it take for consciousnes to leave the body? Is it instantenous, could it last for secoonds or minutes, or longer? I'm skeptical of the whole solver cord idea, but one could conceive of a situation where death occurs, and the mind is in a process of leaving the body. It detaches itself from the apparatae needed in the brain to function in a physical envirnoment, movong on to where ever it goes. This is conjecture, and I am sure many readers of this fine blog have their own ideas. But residual brain activiety, such as this could explain the "pop" felt and or heard by some experiencers when their minds leave their bodies. (some remember a "pop" when the enter their bodies again.)

I think the standard pro-argument that the lucidity of NDE's can't be explained by a dying brain is weakened by this study.

I'm skeptical of the whole solver cord idea,

That is your opinion nevertheless it's been around for thousands of years and been seen by many people over the years.

If you research NDE's and OBE's you will find many people reporting the silver cord.

"I think the standard pro-argument that the lucidity of NDE's can't be explained by a dying brain is weakened by this study."

While I think that could be true I think it's worth pointing out that there are many people who have had NDEs while their EEG is flat and showing no activity, so I suppose it really depends on how one interprets the data.

I suppose one could also argue that this could represent some kind of "soul" leaving the body. Not a conclusion I would make, right enough but a different one nevertheless.

A lot is inferred from the scant data given by the study in the news piece. The article doesn't state that any of them had an OBE or an NDE. The AWARE study will prove more comprehensive.

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