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Here are a couple of relevant recent articles:

The Sickness of the West by Paul Johnson

Brown's Britain 2015 and even the Queen has fled

A 1943 book (used paperback for $8):

A.J. Nock's Memoirs of a Superfluous Man

Economic pundit Marc Faber, aka "Dr. Doom," an entertaining old-world cynic, calls stimulus injections "The crack of boom." They can rescue stocks and the financial system in the short-term, but that in the long run, five to seven years, "It will end badly," with the collapse of democracy and free-market economics, and a [big] war. Here is a quote from the Wikipedia entry on him:


Faber has been long term bearish about the American economy for a number of years and continues to be so. He concluded his June 2008 newsletter with the following:

The federal government is sending each of us a $600 rebate. If we spend that money at Wal-Mart, the money goes to China. If we spend it on gasoline it goes to the Arabs. If we buy a computer it will go to India. If we purchase fruit and vegetables it will go to Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala. If we purchase a good car it will go to Germany. If we purchase useless crap it will go to Taiwan and none of it will help the American economy. The only way to keep that money here at home is to spend it on prostitutes and beer, since these are the only products still produced in US. I've been doing my part.

Here are some other of his quotes:

We are in an extreme casino society and it can become bigger. But one thing is sure: one day it will end badly when this whole financial bubble and asset bubble is deflated very badly.
..........

I don’t think they [governments] will wind it back [their stimulus] voluntarily. I think one stimulus will lead to the next one and to money printing, and so in five to ten years’ time the real crisis will break out when the whole system collapses. That will be The End [emphasized].
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Here's a video interview with him

The video has been removed.

.....due to terms of use violation.

Michael Prescott wrote:

"Even if we assume that GDP grows at a rate of 5% a year - a doubtful assumption given the ongoing recession and stridently anti-growth government policies..."

I'm skeptical that the solution to this crisis would be just letting the market grow freely, if that's your idea here. Some kind of restraints and intervention seem necessary to balance the economy.

The Roman Empire eventually collapsed using the method of panem et circenses -- now many modern politicians want to give away more than just bread.

But hey, Big Brother will look out for you now, right...?

Oops --- sorry. You can google for Marc Faber youtube and get lots of hits. Here are links to other interviews he's given, although they aren't as light-hearted and cynical as the one that is now offline. That one made me think up a neat soubriquet for him: The Imp of Zurich.

Long Interview with Mish Shedlock

Medium length, Investment advice only, no apocalyptic talk

Short interview: Once one country defaults, the rest will too

http://myprops.org/content/Marc-Faber-Dollar-will-go-to-value-Zero-in-a-maximum-of-ten-years/

I like the title of the thread.

When governments start spending like there's no tomorrow, it makes you wonder sometimes if perhaps they know something we don't.

Thanks Roger - very interesting indeed.

Human's are the most inventful and resilient species on the planet. I'm not too worried by the economic forecasts you paint MP. In September / October 2008 we nearly witnessed the collpase of Western capitalism, but shrewd manouvres and measures by Obama (and our good leader Gordan Brown) prevented this. I see no reason for panic at this stage, even given your calculations.

I'm still trying to figure out their agenda here.

Polls show that most Americans oppose this bill. Polls show that more Americans strongly oppose Obama's presidential actions so far than favor them and he continues to steadily decline. Polls show that congress is hated by the vast majority of the US.

So do they believe in what they've passed enough to risk losing a significant amount of seats in November? Or do they think people will suddenly see the light in the next few months before crunch time?

Apparently climate change is the next big thing they're going to 'tackle'. That ought to be a doozy.

Perhaps immigration reform will secure them another 11 million more votes.

I voted for Obama and while I am having serious remorse about doing so, my other real option was still only John McCain. I hate the feeling of picking not who I think will be our next great leader, but who I think will screw up this country the least.

If you think your options are limited Goonch you should take a look at the assortment of overripe fruit on offer to the UK public at the next election.

In addition to healthcare, I think every person has a right to a house, 2 pairs of clean clothes for each day of the week, and three nutritious meals a day served in a healthy non smoking environment.

I also think we should replace the concrete in our sidewalks with that spongy foam rubber stuff on playgrounds, in case anyone falls down they will be less likely to get scratched or cut.

You forgot access to broadband.

Goonch said:

"Polls show that most Americans oppose this bill. Polls show that more Americans strongly oppose Obama's presidential actions so far than favor them and he continues to steadily decline. Polls show that congress is hated by the vast majority of the US.

So do they believe in what they've passed enough to risk losing a significant amount of seats in November? Or do they think people will suddenly see the light in the next few months before crunch time?"

Goonch also said:

"I hate the feeling of picking not who I think will be our next great leader, but who I think will screw up this country the least."

I think the keyword here is "leader." One reason politicians get away with stuff like this is because they are looked upon as 'leaders' now. We're supposed to have representatives, not leaders. When you have a leader, the leader usually does what he/she wants and the others follow, but when you have a representative, the representative is supposed to do the will people. At some point in time, our elected representatives started to become elected 'leaders', and ever since then, the people haven't really been represented properly.

I think you and I have separate definitions for what a 'leader' means and entails.

A leader, to me, is simply a person put at the forefront of a group willingly by that group for efficient guidance.

The definition of 'does what he/she wants and the others follow' sounds more like a dictator in a position of leadership.

Great post, I'm in full agreement.

Republicans would make their point more clearly against health reform if they didn't resort and endorse such vitriolic and bigoted outbursts.

If health care reform becomes accepted as real progress by mainstream America before Novemeber, this could signal the beginning of the end of the GOP as a mainstream political force, given their total opposition to date.

and this link makes difficult reading:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/23/opinion/23herbert.html

“When governments start spending like there's no tomorrow, it makes you wonder sometimes if perhaps they know something we don't.”

We live in a country that can spend a trillion dollars on its wars for profits and to bail out Wall Street. Notice very few in America liberals and conservatives alike challenge these budgets for our 720 military bases around the world or our wars for profits or our massive industrial military complex that Ike warned us about in 1961. This is imperialism and dear old England found out the cost of their imperialism, as did Rome.

Capitalism like communism must self-destruct. In fact it self destructed in 1929 but regulations and a world war brought it back to life. As those regulations were removed one by one it hastened its self-destruction.

Be grateful that communism, socialism and capitalism must self-destruct as they fail the test of spiritual laws or principles. In my youth it was sold as fear that it was a choice between communism or capitalism now it is capitalism or socialism. This is dualistic thinking and a lack of understanding that we live in a relative phenomenal world not a dualistic world, which is a common phenomenon among the masses.

No economic system will be perfect as we humans are not perfect and these systems will reflect our level of consciousness. Capitalism has its home in survival of the fittest and materialism not in spiritual principles of love and divine intelligence. Capitalism left unchecked will create a society where one per cent of the people will have 99% of the wealth given time. I.e. No middle class, which is the backbone and stabilization of any society.

We are the only industrialized nation without some form of universal health insurance for all of its citizens. This is a national tragedy for a nation. Health insurance companies making mega profits off the sick and needy and refusing coverage is immoral and lacks even the slightest understanding of these spiritual values and laws.

Only a very egotistical and self-centered society would allow health insurance companies to put profits and mega bonuses for its management over the health needs of its citizens. This is how a system can influence the mentality and moral values of a nation and its people. Refusing health insurance to those with pre existing conditions is unknown in other industrialized countries and every one of those industrialized nations ranked higher than America for overall care of its citizens.

Spiritual or cosmic values based on spiritual principles govern the universe not mankind’s idea of wealth generation or materialism. Until we begin to recognize those spiritual and cosmic principles and values we will stumble from one failed economic ideological system to another.

Saying all of that we live in a republic and our elected representatives are only a reflection of the voters. Scary thought but valid from my point of view. We are witness to the decline of a nation and this decline has much to teach any spiritual seeker as all experiences have much to teach any seeker into these mysteries of life.

This post gets me asking odd questions--

I wonder what it would take to turn the situation around?

If the situation continues to worsen--

What happens if the government asks forgiveness on its loans?
Would this signal the end of civilization, or would it herald a new beginning? -- (or is that a false dilemma?)

If the civilization that we have now demands that all the governments of the world bankrupt themselves (and it's kinda like that) then what kind of civilization might exist without that requirement?

Will I be able to handle the experiences the future holds?


William,

You are quite correct, having 720 military bases around the world is absurd and we have no business still occupying Afghanistan or (ever) occupying Iraq.

As for "capitalism", if what is meant is the current system where government regulations and bailouts favor the already wealthy and politically well-connected, you are right it is an abomination. A moral economic system is based on voluntary exchange and charity, not the corporate fascism we see with TARP, the Detroit bailouts, no-bid military contracts, and the hideous health care debacle forcing every citizen to spend $15,000 a year on a bloated prepaid medical scam for services many of them neither want or need.

Real medical "insurance" is now illegal, actual insurance being a plan that pays for extraordinary costs beyond what one can afford. Can you imagine "auto insurance" that paid for gas fill-ups, oil changes, car washes and detail jobs, and the like? That is now the only kind of "health insurance" on the market. Think that will control costs?!

Im from Britain and things don't really seem much different now then they did before the glocal economic 'crisis', so don't worry!

"We are the only industrialized nation without some form of universal health insurance for all of its citizens. This is a national tragedy for a nation."

I agree. The bill may be unwieldy and wasteful, but the Republicans had the chance for some valid input. They wasted their opportunity on the chance that they could destroy Obama. Maybe it is not too late for some benefial input from the conservative party.

As a person with a "pre-existing condition"
myself, I applaud this effort to stop heaving sick Americans inro the abyss.

"Will I be able to handle the experiences the future holds?"

A question everyone should be asking before it's too late to prepare.

There's a feeling in the bone that things are different and that they're going to get bad like we've never seen.

Worried? I am not so worried for me, but I am for others who think from here to the horizon will be nothing but business as usual and who are planning to live their lives that way.

“I wonder what it would take to turn the situation around?”

That is an interesting and valid question. Now hope is important and may get you elected but from my point of view it takes a change in a national mentality. How do you represent a nation with 300 million people that has so many special interests no matter what you try at least half of them will fight you tooth and nail.

I am not sure our priority needs to be to save a nation maybe we need to be more concerned about the development of our souls. Jesus and Buddha did not seem to be that caught up in patriotism and nationalism or economic ideologies.

From my point of view if you try to create a nation that takes care of all of the people needs you create a society that many people will believe they are entitled to being taken care of and that society will self destruct all on its own no wars are needed.

Private ownership is needed at this stage of human development but also safety nets are needed and maybe a nation needs to find that balance. I had my own consulting business and it was a huge motivator for me and a sense of satisfaction was great. This idea that private ownership cannot exist in a social democracy is never discussed due to our conditioning in dualistic thinking. I.e. capitalism or communism, or capitalism or socialism, capitalism or dictatorship, etc.

If you create a society of Darwinian survival of the fittest as a materialistic ideology this will create a society of haves and have nots. Those haves being individuals or global corps will control congress, white house, supreme court, reelection process, war machine, etc. that society will self destruct all on its own no terrorism is needed or wars. It will get so far fetched in materialism the supreme court will call these global corps persons.

Ideologies based on materialism and greater and greater wealth generation will self-destruct we are living proof of that but we see not.

Maybe a middle path is needed or to awaken to these spiritual values and principles that exist in the universe. The earth appears to be one giant school designed as perfectly imperfect to teach us lessons to move in the direction of Christ consciousness or whatever.

Take about coincidence today at my work program i heard in my head. Loretta one of my co-workers that i was going to make a certificate for her and guess what? when i picked out the name because that was the exercise we had to do was pick out a name as long as it's different than our name and then create a certificate for that person. Anyways, i picked out the name and it was Loretta's name on the piece of paper.

“Take about coincidence today at my work program i heard in my head.”

Coincidence don’t be so sure of that.

"This idea that private ownership cannot exist in a social democracy is never discussed due to our conditioning in dualistic thinking. I.e. capitalism or communism, or capitalism or socialism, capitalism or dictatorship, etc."

No, it's not that they can't co-exist. It's more like that once the government has established the principle of taking your stuff or the product of your labor for the "good" of others, then it's sort of like living with a cannibal who is a perfectly nice and reasonable man — so long as times are good and there is beef in the fridge.

With this particular healthcare reform we got, a line has been crossed that is similar to drafting people against their will to serve in war. The compulsory nature of healthcare reform and the taste for compulsion this administration seems to have, and the politicians' blatant disregard for the views of the people who elected them, takes us one step closer to authoritarian government.

If Faber is right (I think he is) and there is some global economic collapse heading our way, then that could also cause the complete shift to authoritarianism in government to control the catastrophe afterwards.

Our freedoms may only creep gradually away until then, or not much at all, but like the military draft, this establishes a precedent that acclimatizes us to the principle which can then be used to do other things when the time comes.

When the beef runs out, you've then no excuse to complain about living with a cannibal.

“No, it's not that they can't co-exist. It's more like that once the government has established the principle of taking your stuff or the product of your labor for the "good" of others”

Your stuff is not your stuff contrary to what the world teaches you. If you want to live alone on planet and not in a society maybe then you could say it is all your stuff. The health care of the citizens is as important as fire protection and police protection. The millions without decent health care is of no concern to many Americans. This is a prime example of how a Darwinian survival of the fittest economic ideology can affect the mentality of a nation.

As far as that good of others I take it you are not concerned with the good of others. Now many think that charity will take up that slack but of course it does not. A few bake sales may raise a few hundred dollars but that won’t begin to pay for hospital bills for a major illness.

The idea that gov plays no role in providing safety nets and protection whether it be health care or police protection is almost unheard of around the world. In a republic it is the job of gov to provide those basic necessities and regulations to benefit not only the few all of its citizens.

We are all joined in consciousness to deny health care, fire protection, police protection, environmental regulations, national security, etc for its citizens fails to understand the role of gov. Capitalism without any regulations will self destruct as we are witness to that self destruction now as fewer and fewer are being represented by our government.

I guarantee you that you would be hard pressed to find any of those protesting against universal health care that has lost their homes to medical costs or have been denied health insurance for pre existing conditions. It has to hit us in the pocket book before we see the need for such universal coverage.

Be thankful it is self-destructing for otherwise this universe would not be based on spiritual laws but be void of any laws or principles. Sages and mystics have been telling us of our oneness for thousands of years but we pay them little attention so the suffering continues.

Any nation that spends a trillion dollars to bail out its banks and Wall Street and sees no need for health insurance for 37 million of its citizens is in a steep moral state of decline. Anyone that understands systems and spiritual laws is able to see the self-destructive aspects of capitalism, communism and socialism, but as witnessed on nightly news few understand these spiritual principles.

Like wise any nation that thinks health care is a privilege and not in alignment with these spiritual values is doomed to self-destruction. Karma exists for nations as well as individuals.

Canada has had government funded health care for a long time now. We're OK. Really. Our society didn't fall into collapse when we legalized gay marriage either. Go figure.

Nothing matters.
Nothing EVER matters.
And so what if it did?
Every silver lining has a cloud.
Every good deed is punished.
Everything returns to zero.
God is unable to help you.
Entropy rules.

On the other hand, we're all immortal and everybody eventually makes it.

Just to keep things in perspective. :-)

"Canada has had government funded health care for a long time now. We're OK."

Canada is in good fiscal shape, with a relatively low ($56 billion) annual deficit.

Source: tiny.cc/16mzd

Unfortunately, the USA is in very different circumstances, running serial $1.5 trillion deficits, and passing a health care reform bill that is nothing like Canada's and will do little to contain costs.

"Our society didn't fall into collapse when we legalized gay marriage either."

Gay marriage has nothing to do with the national debt. The issue is simply one of numbers. We are borrowing at an unsustainable pace, and the political class shows no inclination to pull in the reins.

It is easy to promise everything to everybody, but eventually the bill must be paid.

These people (in Congress, The President) are not stupid. Really. I try to believe that they see something I can't see, but deep down inside I fear that Rush is right. The entire idea is to demolish society as we know it, and start all over again.
A new Congress and President may not help, because of the backlash from the left, after the backlash from the right is accomplished this November and in 2012.

Divide and conquer. I hope not, but I'm afraid that it might just work.

The idea that the President, a man who until recently was accused of doing nothing in office, a man who supposedly had no accomplishments, suddenly destroyed the country in one fell swoop makes me laugh no end. We have been eaten alive by big business and international forces for years now. The Democrats in office that began writing the healthcare bill started in a position of weakness by not pushing for the single-payer option first, and weakened it further by keeping the public option from serious discussion. When you see a bill being written behind closed doors by a Democrat whose campaign chest was filled by the insurance companies, who has lobbyists guiding his hands behind those doors as he writes said legislation, chances are good that the legislation will be less than progressive, which is what a majority of Democratic constituents wanted. The forced buy-in was NOT some idea from socialism or communism, it was thought up by lobbyists and a firmly paid-for legislator.
When the real-estate bubble pops, or this China bubble, or the re-inflating housing bubble, it is going to be a huge blow. Greece might look like a bed-time story to us, with Iceland a pleasant alternative. But it won't be our government alone that got us to that point, it will be those rapacious beasts in boardrooms as well.

In the context of a complex interdependent society I agree with providing a safety net and social services, but only up to a certain point.

A lazy irresponsible person does not have an "inherent right" to the labor of a working class family barely managing to get by.

(Admittingly though, it's usually overpaid CEOs and government workers who are the biggest parasites)

Everybody needs to read "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn

http://tinyurl.com/kyf9e

I believe this is what is exactly going on... we are on a broken airplane falling off of a cliff yet we think we are flying...and the ground is coming up fast.

IMHO

“Everybody needs to read "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn”

It is a nice story but it fails to take into account the evolution of consciousness process. We are not static Beings but dynamic Beings and as souls a work in process. We do not appear to be advancing that quickly but new souls are coming on to the earth scene on a continual basis. This evolution of consciousness process is easier to see if one can gain some knowledge of these different astral dimensions that as souls we aspire to attain to in our quest for love and divine intelligence.

The law of limited competition presented in this book sounds a lot like a middle path. As an organizational consultant I have seen the profound “negative” consequences of internal competition within an organization. Also as a consultant I have seen the unawareness and sub optimization of a motivational strategy called pay for performance, which is used in our corporations, gov institutions and educational systems.

One would think that with all three listed above failing miserably we as a nation would challenge this failing strategy but pay for performance is something we can buy ($$$$) and does not require influential leadership. Money can influence human motivation but to what end result. Leadership by influencing is exponentially easier than influential leadership. Look at he synonyms for influencing and that may help one understand why it is so often used in most societies.

Pay for performance incentives fail to understand systemic variation as it applies to its influence on human behavior and performance and it creates an internal competition. But we are learning but often the hard way with lots of hard knocks and suffering. As a favorite author of mine stated there are two ways to learn: suffering and the wisdom of others and most of us choose the suffering path.

As a side note the white house years ago presented to this person that gave to the world pay for performance motivational strategies a special award for this contribution to American innovation. Ignorance is found in many places especially in government. It reminds me of the special freedom award given to a person that helped us get involved in the Iraq war. Or the president receiving a Nobel peace prize the same week he was funding the two unwinable and costly wars. Ignorance knows no boundaries.

William

How are we losing Iraq? Troop deaths are down to only accident by now. They just held elections. The country is rebuilding? What more do you want man? The only costs for us with Iraq is now the salary of the soldiers and the training they require.

Michael, I updated my Blogspot with a blog post consisting of a list of known Cases where Psychic Information has directly led to the discovery of a body or an arrest of a suspect.

In it, I thank you for bringing the Jackie Poole case to my attention (in an email you wrote to me several years ago, after I asked you if you knew of any such cases).

http://eteponge.blogspot.com/2010/03/cases-where-psychics-information-finds.html

A new CBO report projects an unprecedented level of deficit spending over the next ten years.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/289628

The CBO assumes a lower level of current debt than the sources I relied on, but still puts the debt at 90% of GDP by 2020.

If the current debt is indeed higher than the CBO admits, then the debt will surpass 100% of GDP before long.

Either way, we are building an elevator to nowhere.


"Either way, we are building an elevator to nowhere."

Oh it's going somewhere alright. Into the stratosphere, where we all then get ejected without parachutes.

“How are we losing Iraq?”

Take your next vacation there and find out for yourself. You are drinking the gov, military, and mass media kool aid. This same bias media kept telling us the same things about nam. I find it most interesting that most Americans till believe what their gov tells them about our wars and our state of the nation.

An independent reporter was on NPR radio the other day and told a very different story. 5 million displaced Iraqis 2 million outside the country, many if not most without electricity or only a few hours a day and now a shortage of clean water. All the gov leaders locked up in the green zone if they let them out they are killed by their own people.

Then we have afghan the second most corrupt nation on earth and a tribal mentality to boot. Someone once said that America has wars to learn geography. To think we can create a democracy in that country is insanity at best.

Go do your own research and find out how many Iraqis would like to go back to a dictator gov before our illegal invasion. The rate of serious diseases in that country is at an all time high with all the munitions that have been exploded leaving dangerous residue. Babies’ are being born with serious many terminal illnesses is through the roof in numbers These things the mass media or our gov is not going to tell us ever.

Many of those that ran against the current prime minister were arrested and now the official religion is Islam. It was a war for oil for corp America.

“They just held elections.”

The idea that you can force militarily a country with a tribal mentality into a democracy is a joke at best. Follow the money and find out why violence is down. It was illegal pure and simple but in a country that thinks it has a right to invade other countries at will it is accepted as just part of the culture.

Spending over a trillion dollars that we don’t have and borrowed from communists that we claim communism is inferior to our capitalism is another joke at best. Do you not see the irony in that? Politics and religion two interesting aspects of the human mind.

“Troop deaths are down to only accident by now”

Again drinking the repub and demo kool aid. How much longer are you going to believe what the politicians tell you? I noticed you did not mention the number of injuries many severe. Please take some time and look up what some of those injuries look like with their faces blown or burnt away. Then we will have the posttraumatic stress that will show up for years even decades at a cost we cannot even estimate to the American taxpayers.

As I have stated many times there is much to learn spiritually during the decline of a nation. Our decline is no accident it has karma written all over it. Wealth is as harsh of teacher as poverty, i.e. spiritually 101.

"Either way, we are building an elevator to nowhere."

Oh that elevator is going somewhere it is called third world status. Anyone with any knowledge of capitalism as an economic system would know that the purer the form of capitalism the quicker the road to third world status. This same third world results applies to pure forms of communism and socialism. All three are destined to fail.

Russia tried a pure form of capitalism in the 90’s and created a few billionaires but little if any middle class now they have tried a new economic approach. Time will tell how it works out. They appear to be unable to find the middle path if it exists.

“A new CBO report projects an unprecedented level of deficit spending over the next ten years.”

I predict at some point we will reach 1000% inflation per year like some South American countries achieved in the 80’s and 90’s. The dollar being the world currency is saving us and our large consumer base is keeping us afloat for now. Americans know how to shop till they drop even if on a credit card.

Anyone that believes we are just in a recession and not a decline of wealth of a nation loves the gov kool aid. Few know that massive borrowing began during the Reagan years after massive tax cuts.

"Take your next vacation there and find out for yourself.... Go do your own research... Please take some time and look up what some of those injuries look like..."

William, you do realize that Kris is in the military and saw active duty in Iraq, right?

My guess is he doesn't have to look up stuff on the Internet to know what's going on there.

"William, you do realize that Kris is in the military and saw active duty in Iraq, right?"

There are many military bases in Iraq so his personal experiences may be different than someone that moves around the country seeking out stories to report.

I am basing my words on the website winter soldiers and this independent reporter that presented on NPR and some people that served in Iraq that I know personally one being a sniper that now has severe mental problems with what he did in Iraq.

Some one in the military may have a mind set different than a reporter.

There were many career soldiers that supported the war in Vietnam compared to soldiers drafted that did not support that war. History gives us many examples of soldiers supporting a war in spite of the evidence.

It would be like asking a devoted catholic to comment on the existing problems that the Catholic Church is having now. I.e. expect bias.

Bias can run in many directions including my own. Let me put it this way I doubt that Kris will be taking his vacation in Iraq any time soon to walk down the streets of Iraq.

· "Article: "Mediums' Experiences with the Afterlife" by Windbridge Director of Research Julie Beischel, PhD, and the Windbridge Certified Research Mediums
· Excerpt: "...discarnates often show things they are doing, such as playing golf, that are usually what they enjoyed while alive..."

For those that love the game of golf it appears we get to keep right on playing on the other side. Maybe those birdies will be easier to obtain over there or not.

"Few know that massive borrowing began during the Reagan years after massive tax cuts."

Please, William. Reagan has been dead a while now. He doesn't sign any more executive orders. And he isn't pushing stimulus packages or new government programs, and he isn't borrowing a penny from China right now.

This kind of noticing the other guys mote and not your own plank is exactly the kind of BS passed off as truth that gets and keeps us in trouble.

There are real world consequences to practicing bad ideas, but politician's and yes, WE the people who tolerate it, are so used to thinking the BS that things will happen the way we want them to regardless of what we do, that we don't know up from down anymore. It's all fantasy. It seems politics is merely the art of pretend right now; everything's going to be okay if you just convince enough Americans that everything will be fine.

BS.

"Wealth is as harsh of teacher as poverty"

Now that's a keeper!
Thanks William for that. I had the Poverty teacher most of my life

"you do realize that Kris is in the military and saw active duty in Iraq, right?""

I have friends and family in Iraq and while I may not be nearly as eloquent a speaker or a master-debater (Ha ha) I can assure you that William is correct...
Iraq was/is no picnic and we have won nothing..... there never was going to be flowers or candy.

we threw so damn much money and so many lives away (ours & theirs) for what?

At the end of the day what did we fucking get? remember when their gas was going to pay for the cost of the war?
Heck we didn't even get their gas..
I am sick and tired of seeing 18-20 yr old amputees and 18-20 yr old wheel chair bound for the rest of their lives, at the local Target or Safeway... the sorrowful eyes telling anyone and everyone who even looks their way to fuck off and die...

Yes there are fewer deaths for our solders
this is because no matter how mutilated or tore up our boys get

we have the technology to keep them alive...

Sorry but politically I tend to be on Williams side usually

I read this blog daily several times a day
but like I said I am not the greatest debater in the world, I would rather watch
Keith and Julio or ZC or William go at it

Michael, IMHO
This is the best blog to follow discussions/debate regarding Consciousness out there

I mean no offense over any political disagreements I simply am tired of seeing young kids crippled for life....sigh.

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