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Well I'm glad that the other side will seem just as real to us as this side does. The thought of floating around in a vast "nothingness" where nothing exists didn't sound all that appetizing to me. I picture heaven as being somewhat similar to the Nexxus in the movie Star Trek Generations, where Malcolm McDowell is trying to get into that energy ribbon where all one's needs are met and everything works out lovely. I've had enough duality and separation and pain and suffering for several lifetimes. I'd like to win the lottery for once. And oh yeah, I still miss my mom and she died in 1968. Still haven't gotten over that one.

People are most reliable in their areas of expertise. When Pribram says the brain is a frequency analyzer I believe him implicitly. When he says "Ordinary boundaries of space and time, such as locations of any sort, disappear ... in a sense, everything is happening all at once, synchronously" I would have to understand it myself before I will take his word. I'm not saying he's wrong, I just say that being a neruosurgeon doesn't make him omnicient.

This info seems to fit with Einstein's view of time, "The distinction between past, present, and future is only an illusion, albeit a persistent one."
(This is a statement about his understanding of physics).

If the brain is a tool of consciousness, then the tool could be used for a while and eventually discarded. While using the tool, one could easily identify with it. (Look how many people think they are their cars, or jobs, or bodies, or memories...)

Currently we don't have any good mechanism to describe much of physics (double slit experiment, for example). While we may feel comfortable with a mechanistic explanation, the truer things we know don't have any.

“For the typical person, the next life would seem to be a world of thought-forms similar to earthly reality, in which one still has a body, a personality, a particular set of memories, etc.”

I have been doing what I call research, which is reading spiritualist books, and dialog on this blog and others, years in yahoo chat rooms on the paranormal, new age, Buddhist, Christian, and Hindu chat rooms, and during casual conversations for the past nine years on spiritualism. And the above quote is in line with what I have come to believe at this time. Although the memories may fade the longer we are on the other side.

One must keep in mind that there is as much variation in beliefs on the other side as there are in this physical world. There does not appear to be much concern in these other realms if any about politics or economic ideologies. That would be a welcome relief.

If the brain is a frequency analyzer, that fact does not require that the universe be a hologram.

I've read the "Holographic Universe". I think it is reasonable to say that the holographic paradigm is found in nature, but that doesn't mean the underlying structure of the universe is a hologram. The Fibonocci sequence is found in botany and that doesn't mean the fibonocci sequence reflects the underlying structure of the universe either. I think some people try to link examples of the holographic paradigm and make connections between them that are not really logical.

If someone wants to say that the univese is really a hologram, for example, that 3 dimensional space is really a 2 dimensional interference pattern, they have to say how that interference pattern is created. To make a holograph on photographic film, you normally have a real 3 dimensional object that you use to generate the holograph by illuminating with laser beams. So how does the hologram of the universe get created? It seems more parsimonious to say that space really is 3 dimensional than to say there are these waves interacting in 2 dimensions as if there were really three dimensions. What are the physical laws that explain that phenomena?


Double slit experiments show that light and subatomic particles are waves. Based on this, one can speculate that all those waves create an interference pattern and that information about parts of the universe, remote in space (and time?), may be gleaned from analyzing that interference pattern. In this case, the universe, while existing in all its full dimensions, might be said to be its own holograph.

One of the best articles I've seen on your great site, Michael. If jives with everything I've studied over the years of looking at this field of inquiry. While I think even the physical plane is technically a substrate of the mind, and we can change it with the mind, it is highly and probably by design resistant to it (that's why things like "The Secret" are bound to have very limited experimental success). It's very dense in other words, as far as what we call "frequencies," which I'm not totally sure what they are...the vibrations of strings in String Theory? Etc.? Perhaps there are physical plane strings, astral strings, and on and on up, or each level are just higher vibrations of the same string set. Anyway, whatever happens after death is that we seem to be translated to a world that is more malleable to mind and will, and our localized mind interacts with others in a given strata on the (usually) "astral" plane to create an environment. The many minds interacting with each other perhaps at a subconscious "Higher Self?) level creates through a sort of dialectic an actual and seemingly "real" world, as real as the physical, which is mostly just spinning electrons anyway.

Stephen J. Valadez

If the brain is a frequency analyzer, that fact does not require that the universe be a hologram. I've read the "Holographic Universe". I think it is reasonable to say that the holographic paradigm is found in nature, but that doesn't mean the underlying structure of the universe is a hologram. - anonymous
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I think my head is going to explode! He/she didn't even do me the decency of making up a name so I could direct my ire at it?

Then might one explain all the near death experiencers who describe their experiences in terms that can only be called holographic? Feelings of connectedness and oneness, 360 degree vision, feeling connected to the universe, feeling like they are literally everywhere in the Universe at once, time and space not existing, merely having to think of a time and place and being there, and during the life review replaying and viewing their entire lives in 3-D while literally feeling like they were the other people they interacted with, feeling their emotions, hearing their thoughts, and describing the other side as being more real than this side, more consciousness than normal? In the hologram itself there is a certain degree of blurriness inherent in the projection. It's exactly what one might expect of or in a holographic universe. If after we die our souls merge back into the holographic film from which this physical universe is projected (the hologram) then it all makes perfect sense.

"Let me pause here to say that this explanation highlights one of the problems I have with the holographic theory. To me, it seems problematic to say that the brain essentially creates our world of physical objects when the brain itself is a physical object. If physical objects don't exist in the absence of a brain, and if the brain itself is a physical object, then we seem to be caught in a chicken-and-egg dilemma." - michael Prescott
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"Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real."
- Niels Bohr

"For if the concreteness of the world is but a secondary reality and what is "there" is actually a holographic blur of frequencies, and if the brain is also a hologram and only selects some of the frequencies out of this blur and mathematically transforms them into sensory perceptions, what becomes of objective reality? Put quite simply, it ceases to exist. As the religions of the East have long upheld, the material world is Maya, an illusion, and although we may think we are physical beings moving through a physical world, this too is an illusion." - excerpt from The Holographic Universe,
http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html

"I felt an understanding about life, what it was, is. As if it was a dream in itself. It's so very hard to explain this part. I'll try, but my words limit the fullness of it. I don't have the words here, but I understood that it really didn't matter what happened in the life experience, I knew/understood that it was intense, brief, but when we were in it, it seemed like forever. I understood that whatever happened in life, I was really ok, and so were the others here." - excerpt from Michelle's NDE, http://nderf.org/michelle_m%27s_nde.htm

"So, for a moment, you see. Relax. Don't take yourself so seriously! All is well. We are forever one." - excerpt from Riding the Dragon, http://www.issc-taste.org/arc/dbo.cgi?set=expom&id=00070&ss=1

I picture heaven as being somewhat similar to the Nexxus in the movie Star Trek Generations, where Malcolm McDowell is trying to get into that energy ribbon where all one's needs are met and everything works out lovely. I've had enough duality and separation and pain and suffering for several lifetimes. *Art

I love that film, too Art. But it's rather ironic you should cite it in view of the way the plot unfolds. Neither Picard nor Kirk want to stay in the Nexus (Kirk says that "nothing is real" there after he easily jumps the chasm on his horse 3 times) and chooses to go back to the challenge of real world where there is more than a frisson of fear and he can "make a difference". And when he dies for the second time, his last words are, "It was fun."

The suggestion is that there's no challenge or fun in your holographic reality. Maybe that's why there has to be... (sorry, I have to use the "r" word) reincarnation.

Anyone else who thinks they might want to reincarnate is more than welcome to. As for me? No thanks! Once I get there I'm going to grab hold of something and hang on as long as I can. I've experienced enough pain and separation in this life. Perhaps everything is possible on the other side and there is room enough for both reincarnation and no-reincarnation.

Me to, Art. It's great here if you're as hard as nails and as thick as pig's 'business' when it comes to dealing with others....THEN, one can GET ON with life, ripping other people off and accumulating the so called best things in life without a care in the world.

I don't want to come back,either...but I honestly feel that we are not given a choice.

I don't want to come back,either...but I honestly feel that we are not given a choice. - steve
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Well, I'm going to hang onto that "something else is going on" scenario. Something that the folks that dreamed up the reincarnation theory didn't know about; the brain as reciever/transmitter and the universe as a hologram, oneness and connectedness, and memories stored in the Akashic records. Once kids start developing their own sense of self they start tuning out those memories and as soon as those hypnotized adults. If the whole purpose of life is to become a separate, unique, individual than reincarnation sounds like a recipe for schizophrenic souls to me.

"To me, it seems problematic to say that the brain essentially creates our world of physical objects when the brain itself is a physical object. If physical objects don't exist in the absence of a brain, and if the brain itself is a physical object, then we seem to be caught in a chicken-and-egg dilemma. The problem might be solved if we were to assume that consciousness, rather than the brain, is the actual "frequency analyzer."

Beautifully and succintly said MP. Beings, not matter, initiate and experience things. The goal of intention is always to provide an experience for a being or beings. Matter, including brains, and energy are the medium through which these intentions are expressed, but they are neither the initiator nor the end result of intentions.

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