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The Universe is Only Pretending, Physicist Says

http://www.dailycal.org/article/20361/the_universe_is_only_pretending_physicist_says

Our world may be a giant hologram

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126911.300-our-world-may-be-a-giant-hologram.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news

excerpt from The Holographic Universe:
"For if the concreteness of the world is but a secondary reality and what is "there" is actually a holographic blur of frequencies, and if the brain is also a hologram and only selects some of the frequencies out of this blur and mathematically transforms them into sensory perceptions, what becomes of objective reality? Put quite simply, it ceases to exist. As the religions of the East have long upheld, the material world is Maya, an illusion, and although we may think we are physical beings moving through a physical world, this too is an illusion."
http://www.earthportals.com/hologram.html#zine

I myself agree with William's philosophy but I disagree with Art's, - shadow warrior
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I appreciate you disagreeing with me because my soul was needing to experience some more "duality and separation!"

excerpt from an article about Emmanuel Swedenborg:
"Dole who holds degrees from Yale, Oxford, and Harvard, notes that one of the most basic tenets of Swedenborg's thinking is that our universe is constantly created and sustained by two wavelike flows, one from heaven and one coming from our own soul or spirit. "If we put these images together, the resemblance to the hologram is striking" says Dole.

"We are constituted by the intersection of two flows—one direct, from the divine, and one indirect, from the divine via our environment. We can view ourselves as interference patterns, because the inflow is a wave phenomenon, and we are where the waves meet."

Swedenborg also believed that, despite its ghostlike and ephemeral qualities, heaven is actually a more fundamental level of reality than our own physical world. It is, he said, the archetypal source from which all earthly forms originate, and to which all forms return, a concept not too dissimilar from Bohm's idea of the implicate and explicate orders. In addition he too believed that the afterlife realm and physical reality are different in degree but not in kind, and that the material world is just a frozen version of the thought-built reality of heaven."
http://www.soultravel.se/2004/040907-swedenborg/index.shtml

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“As the early twentieth-century British physicist Sir Arthur Eddington put it, "matter is mostly ghostly empty space"-99.9999999 percent empty space, to be a little more precise.”

I suspect at this time there is no such thing as space. The space we see is due to our unawareness of this underlying reality. Space is as much an illusion as the physical world although I don’t like the word illusion but have not found another word to use to convey my thoughts on the reality of what we perceive.

Stated another way that many may think of as new age “all is Oneness” and Oneness has no such thing as space.

“I'd be surprised if deceitful low-level spirits are capable of (or interested in) such communications.”

This may come across as arrogant but it appears to me that one can read just a few pages or a few chapters and tell the level of understanding of the spirit communicating though a medium. Low to medium level spirits tend to contradict their statements often and make generalized statements.

The introduction in the spirits book by kardec does a good job of explaining how one can tell the difference between levels of understanding of spirits.

"I have looked at the cases of children remember past lives and I have ruled out that it's spirit possession that is happening to these children because they seem to keep the same habits that they had in a past life..."

-Exactly how do you know this? Did you follow them around for years? If you didn't, who did? And, how does this prove or disprove anything? There's a new book coming from the author of "The Psychic Life of Abraham Lincoln", you should pick it up, from what I've seen it pretty much annhilates what you have just written and everything else that is seen as "proof". It's called "The Reincarnation Hoax"..watch for it. I'll quote Mark Macy here on "memories" (who IS a reincarnationist by the way):MARK MACY: We are equally convinced that much of the material that appears today under the heading of "past lives" is just plain unadulterated nonsense! To put it a little more politely, such "readings" are evidence of the fantastic dream-making capability of certain levels of individual human consciousness. In my personal research I have had a total of 8 "past lives" readings in 7 years by supposed "experts" in the U.S. and England. There is not the slightest shred of correlation between any two of the readings!

IAN STEVENSON: "In my experience, nearly all so-called previous personalities evoked through hypnotism are entirely imaginary and a result of the patient's eagerness to obey the hypnotist's suggestion. It is no secret that we are all highly suggestible under hypnosis. This kind of investigation can actually be dangerous. Some people have been terribly frightened by their supposed memories, and in other cases the previous personality evoked has refused to go away for a long time (Omni Magazine 10(4):76 (1988))." (reading this, it sort of makes you wonder "what" it really might be, if it is anything at all)

"My belief in Reincarnation stems from my own experiences"

-Yes, and so does the Christian belief, in part, come from their own experiences with Jesus and various other "phenomena" including stigmata...so, the $1,000,000 question is? WHO'S EXPERIENCE IS RIGHT? YOURS? HOW DO YOU KNOW?


DMDUNCAN: "I would also like to know this. It's classic New Age thinking that doesn't seem to be anchored by any facts at all. It seems to be something some people think is true because that's what they want to be true."

-This is what I have been thinking as well.


DMDUNCAN: "But when you have large numbers of people all reporting similar features in their NDEs, then I think you have to accept, if you are reasonable, that something genuine is going on, something that they aren't making up."

-True. Except there is always the possibility of overlap into the "hallucination" theory...simply because something is the same doesn't really prove anything. I'm not saying they are making it up, I don't believe that (though I also don't believe that everyone who claims to have an NDE is telling the truth either...it is certainly a possibility that some are just that..."made up" for the sake of entertainment of the story teller. People do it all the time in other aspects of life, why would SOME not do it with this?)


DMDUNCAN: "For all we know, the believers are a constant source of amusement for mischievous spirits on the other side who take pleasure in feeding them bullshit, just because it's so easy."

-I agree. While I have nothing against anyone, many people I know will accept ANYTHING simply because it appears to come from an invisible source...if "it" is anything at all other than the so called channelers mind. I think this would adequately explain why believers in reincarnation often "attract" spirits who push reincarnation...it may not be any spirit at all, only the mind of the channeler.


M PRESCOTT: "With regard to the mountain, one could perhaps ask the same question about mountains seen on earth. After all, when we see a mountain here, what is it, really? It is a collection of sensory impressions somehow processed by our brain to produce the image of a mountain in our mind. What do we mean by "real," anyway? If we mean "existing independently of any observer," then we have no way - and logically we cannot have any way - of ever knowing if anything is real in this sense."

-This sort of sounds like more rhetoric. As I said before, doesn't seem to be an answer that makes much sense to me. Existing independantly of the observer...well, let me ask you, if you close your eyes, stop breathing, don't move, and don't touch the physical mountain, does it actually "go away" somewhere? Surely no one is going to answer saying "how do you know it doesn't!" That analogy is a real stretch to "prove" anything.


M PRESCOTT: "As far as mischievous spirits are concerned, I suppose there's no way to rule out the possibility, but an awful lot of uplifting spiritual insights have come through mediums and NDEs, and I'd be surprised if deceitful low-level spirits are capable of (or interested in) such communications."

-True, there is no way to rule that in or out. Yes, there is a lot of uplifting insights in certain things. Why would you be so surprised that low level spirits would be capable or, even stranger, NOT have any interest in such communications? Then, you actually ARE ruling it out?

"The introduction in the spirits book by kardec does a good job of explaining how one can tell the difference between levels of understanding of spirits."

-And what would this be based on? Information from spirits that can't be verified? The invisibile spirits are explaining how to tell which are the "advanced" ones, and people are willing to just accept that? Or does this priceless knowledge come from Kardec? If so, how on earth would he know? The invisible, unverifiable spirits told him? I can show umpteen so called spirit proclamations that they are the "advanced" ones..even from Jesus himself! It seems a bit ironic that Kardec and his spirits are telling anybody how to discern between low level and high level spirits, and then those same spirits turn out to be the high level ones! Sort of like if someone from Indonesia phoned you and told you how to distinguish between intelligent and unintelligent human beings..and then guess what? The person from Indonesia actually turned out to BE one of the intelligent ones! What a coincidence. And no way to verify any of it.

the point I am trying to make is that you seem to be basing your judgement on what 1 Medium says Bryce....

Mediums are only human like the rest of us and they each have their own belief system just like the rest of us, What 1 particular Medium says doesn't make it all true... spirits could be feeding George Anderson BS about life in the spirit world too for all you know...

Shadow Warrior, I have more than a few gigs of "spirit" information on my computer (think about how much this is, considering that word documents are only a few KB each, in size), both from mediums and so called spirits that I would be more than happy to provide you with...I've made a painstaking search to find certain information just to see what I would find..and I don't mean to sound rude, but if you think I am basing everything on only George Anderson, if you saw all the information, you might have to eat those words.

It's interesting to note that George Anderson is also a catholic so that probably plays a big part in his personal belief system regarding afterlife matters... something I've noticed with some other mediums as well.

lol anyway you seem to be on some hellbent campaign to disprove reincarnation, who really cares if it happens or it doesn't it I'd say it probably comes down to individual choice from a soul if it does really happen anyway, reading various NDE material that's how it seems to be.

I myself would not be bothered if it doesn't happen at all but from my own personal experience with PLR I tend to believe it does.

“It's interesting to note that George Anderson is also a catholic so that probably plays a big part in his personal belief system regarding afterlife matters... something I've noticed with some other mediums as well”

This also appears to apply to so called enlightened Hindus as their religious beliefs appear to be very much a part of their teachings. Also we have to consider that like attracts like even when a spirit comes through a medium. George Anderson may very well be able to be in touch with spirits that align with his own beliefs.

Spirits are not all knowing. There is a huge variation in the knowledge of spirits that come through mediums. Just as there is a huge variation of knowledge in this physical world of human knowledge of the paranormal.

I suspect that spirits in these higher realms of understanding are not as likely to come through a medium for a variety of reasons.

Example the spirit that comes through Welch in the book conversations with god appears to me to be a low to medium level spirit. Now this in no way is to discredit his book, as it is a wonderful book for some such as a Christian that has doubts about their own religious beliefs. As I attended a talk by Welch to say he was a disappointment would be a huge understatement.

This sort of sounds like more rhetoric. As I said before, doesn't seem to be an answer that makes much sense to me.

Okay, let's try it another way. Suppose I am asleep in bed and dreaming. In my dream I'm walking through a golden meadow under a bright blue sky.

So ... where am I?

There are two possible answers. From one point of view, I'm in bed. From another point of view, I'm in the meadow.

Now suppose I'm not asleep. I'm dead! But I'm still dreaming about the meadow.

Now where am I?

I'm not really in bed anymore - all that's left in bed is a physical shell. If I'm anywhere, I'm in the meadow. The meadow is my one and only reality. It's what I'm experiencing.

You might ask, "But is the meadow real?" I don't know if that's a meaningful question. "Real" in what sense? If it's where my consciousness finds itself, then it's real as far as my consciousness is concerned.

This may sound like an unduly "philosophical" answer, but when we ask questions about what is ultimately real and what isn't, we're in philosophical territory whether we want to be or not.

If it's where my consciousness finds itself, then it's real as far as my consciousness is concerned.

This may sound like an unduly "philosophical" answer, but when we ask questions about what is ultimately real and what isn't, we're in philosophical territory whether we want to be or not.

It's a good point, MP. But then, the mountain analogy made sense to me - it reminded me of Einstein's comment (in a different context) that he preferred to believe the moon was there even when he wasn't looking at it.

I don't know if Einstein ever asked himself if what he preferred to believe made any difference or not.

“It seems a bit ironic that Kardec and his spirits are telling anybody how to discern between low level and high level spirits, and then those same spirits turn out to be the high level ones!”

This may make no sense at all but it appears to me that after one does enough research into spirits coming through mediums it starts to become self evident what is a lower level spirits and a higher level spirits communicating through a medium.

It also appears that the level of spiritual development of the medium may have something to do with the level of spirits coming through the medium kind of like a “like attracts like” phenomenon.

The same conditions apply here on earth after spending time talking to someone at least intellectually one can often tell at what level they are communicating at. It is very difficult to fake it for too long.

I am not sure it was the spirits telling kardec how to discern between low level and higher-level spirits communicating. I think over time kardec felt he could tell the difference between these spirits communicating to him. One must keep in mind that like most researchers into the paranormal kardec started his research to debunk spiritualism and spirit communication through mediums.

Bryce have you read the first introduction chapter of the spirits book? I found this chapter to be very well thought out and rational in his approach to discerning the difference between levels of spirit communication. The spirits book is just one example of evidence; I have found one must use a cross validation approach with other forms of paranormal phenomena and look for constants in evidence.

I don't know if Einstein ever asked himself if what he preferred to believe made any difference or not.

Michael H., that comment really resonates with me this week. I spent the week trying to talk myself out of having anomalous experiences. I told myself over and over again that ghosts are just imaginary, and anyone who sees them is just delusional. I really thought I could cure myself. That didn’t stop the experiences.

On Saturday I saw a ghost that was leaving coins for his daughter to find. She couldn’t see him the way I could, but she did see the coins appear, and she picked each coin up with such joy. She believed that her dad was leaving the coins for her to show that he was OK. I saw the ghost point at the floor and I even watched as a coin appeared on that spot as if out of thin air. The daughter saw the coin appear and happily picked it up.

I saw the salamanders again today. There isn’t so much snow now, but they still look very pretty reflecting off the puddles.

So much for what I would prefer to believe.

So much for what I would prefer to believe.

And the good news is that you're no longer encumbered by the belief that the cosmos is comprehensible.

;-)

Sandy,
First I will start off my saying this is no made up story. My wife and I play golf and once a couple of years ago we both hit a golf ball and hers was slightly shorter than mine laying on the fairway. We walked up to the golf balls and saw both balls (I actually walked up to mine and stood over it and looked at it and then walked back and stood behind my wife as she hit hers). Then we walked about ten yards to hit mine. It was gone. Just gone. We both saw it lying there just 30 seconds earlier. There was not a leaf there or anything that looked like a golf ball just nothing. So we looked and looked around for my ball and nothing. We begin to think we both had lost our minds.

Another time we lost a ball laying on the fairway but hers was not near mine so we chalked that up that we just did not see the ball flight correctly. Lost golf balls are a common occurrence on a golf course but we saw the ball laying there only a few yards away from hers, then gone. I mean it is pretty easy to see a white golf ball a few yards away and you feel pretty sure it is your golf ball and not a leaf when you stand over the top of it. At a distance sometimes we mistake a white leaf or bark for a golf ball but not that close. And there was nothing lying there that even could be mistaken for a golf ball. It was kind of spooky for both of us we still discuss that lost ball every time we go past that area on the golf course.

Have you ever heard such a story that something we see just disappears before our eyes? Most will just say we were both mistaken but you had to be there to understand.

William, I wish you could be the one seeing the ghosts instead of me. My latest ghost is interested in signal processing and wavelet transforms. I don’t understand why a ghost could care less about algorithms. They aren’t my idea of fun. I wish I could give this away.

sandy was that a yes or a no to my question? :-)

William, yes, I’ve heard of such things. I guess if things can appear out of nowhere, why can’t they disappear too? I’ve had things go missing when a particular ghost is around, but I’ve never caught her in the act of moving anything.

I guess that isn’t quite true. I have had snow dumped on my head by her, so that was something she moved when I was around. But it was probably my fault for throwing snowballs at her first.

"William, yes, I’ve heard of such things. I guess if things can appear out of nowhere, why can’t they disappear too?"

well I never saw a ghost take it but it disappeared right into thin air.

even my wife saw it laying there and then gone.

kind of spooky. the material world looks so real and absolute and solid.

. . . the material world looks so real and absolute and solid.

It sure does.

As to the form of a spirit,it is in fact an exact replica to the human one we have . My wife and I saw my mother's spirit leave her body while she was laid out in a funeral home. At first I thought it was her phyical body, she sat up turned her head and smiled at us and then laid back down .It was only when she laid back down that we noticed that it was her spirit. The two came together ,it was like when one looks through a 35 mm camera and focusing it. The interseting thing is that at the time of this it was when we were dating ,we both in our late teens and my wife had only met my mom once before. Any idea that it could have been mass hysteria could not have been the cause . Right after this happened we both looked at each other and at the same time said "did you see that " we both shook our heads yes .

“As to the form of a spirit, it is in fact an exact replica to the human one we have”

This may indeed be so especially right after we cross over. It appears that maybe we can look like we want to look either older or as we were when we were young after we have been on the other side for a while.

While doing yoga a person crossed over and a person next to her saw her leave her body. She never told anyone except her mom and her mom told me. And when I asked the daughter if she saw this woman leave her body she stated she did not. Interesting to me I don’t think she wanted to admit to seeing this person leave her body.

I suspect there are millions of stories out there of paranormal events but most keep it to themselves. I know my first big paranormal event that I witnessed I kept to myself for 27 years before I told someone else. I think the internet gives people a chance to share these stories in a safe environment.

thanks for sharing george.

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