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I did a quick search after reading the linked piece and came across this>statement from Mitchell from 1997. He clearly indicates that even at that time that he was impressed by the body of UFO evidence and speculated that governments had more knowledge than they had shared.

I'm without a formulated opinion on UFO phenomena, and I've spent almost no time investigating them. That being said, if these are genuine sightings and experiences, I'd be more apt to think they're alternative dimension or spiritual phenomena rather than physical entities from the far reaches of the universe. Rick Strassman's research into DMT effects suggests exactly that:

Dr. Strassman conducted the first federally approved psychedelic research in the US in nearly a generation with the compound dimethyltryptamine, or DMT, in New Mexico in the mid 1990's. Though expecting mystical raptures and deep psychological insights, in his study he was astonished to find many of his volunteers reporting unexpected encounters with strange and sometimes disturbing alien beings with advanced technology in what amounted to classical UFO "abduction" experiences. Unable to explain away the volunteers' experiences, he concluded that these were genuine encounters with independent sentient beings in otherwise normally invisible dimensions.

Reality Sandwich has long interview with Strassman>here. I'm not at all sure what to think - but then, I think gnomes and fairies are real for those who are tuned in to them.


Thanks, Michael H, for the link to Mitchell's 1997 statement. In his most recent statement he seems to be saying quite a bit more - that he has talked to actual individuals in NASA who've made contact with ETs, and that there have been NASA briefings on the subject.

I'm no expert on ufology, but I think if I were going to make public statements like this, I'd want to have some kind of evidence to back them up. Even in the '97 statement he is alleging a large-scale program of disinformation, with an elite quasi-government cabal in possession of reverse-engineered alien technology. Sounds crazy and paranoid to me, unless he has something tangible to support his claims. And if such a cabal existed, with the powers he ascribes to them, why wouldn't they try to shut him up?

I admit I have been skeptical of Mitchell ever since the unofficial ESP experiments he conducted during the Apollo 14 mission. As I understand it, the results came in well below what even chance would predict. Thus they showed no evidence of psi, but rather than accept this, Mitchell declared they provided evidence of "psi-missing," a kind of negative psi. In other words, the results were so bad, they were good!

I'm no expert on ufology, but I think if I were going to make public statements like this, I'd want to have some kind of evidence to back them up.

I have to agree, MP.

I think there's a tendency for those who do accept paranormal phenomena as valid to be less vigilant than is wise. The skeptics do the same thing, in the opposite direction.

The story about the "psi-missing' evidence is interesting too. I do know that Mitchell founded IONS after a unity experience he underwent during the Apollo flight's return to earth. It's quite possible that his realization of "there's more going on here than meets the eye" leads him to interpret everything in the context of that underlying assumption.

Whatever the case may be, radio interviews involving uncorroborated claims of NASA briefings on UFO activity will do nothing but fill skeptics with glee.

He was very close to John Mack who did raise some very interesting and seemingly irrefutable evidence for the reality of ET contact. However I suspect that his allegations of a cover up are tree shaking speculation.

Well I do find it impressive that we have had 2 big disclosure events in 2001 and in 2007 with all kinds of military officials, governors, astronauts, that claim the same thing. Ufos are real.
The last one was in november 2007, CNN did a one hour show about it.

What do you think about those disclosure events? Ever heard their testimonies?
this is the 2007 thing if you scroll a little downwards
"15 military and government officials from 7 countries presented evidence of close encounters with UFO's and the results of government investigations. This event was documented for an upcoming film, Beyond The Blue, for possible theatrical release." the 2001 thing

I'm curious what other people here think about these conferences. I only saw fragments and the interview with Larry King which is interesting for sure.

About the only people I'd ever trust regarding UFOs are the late John Mack and Jacques Vallee. The field is riddled with too many crazy conspiracy theories and possibly quite a LOT of deliberate disinformation (I'm extra-cautious with taking anyone's word regarding UFOs from the military whether they confirm or deny their existence) for me to take it seriously. I myself have seen two UFOs last year on New Year's Day.

I don't think it's fair to say that Roswell has been debunked. I don't know what the truth there is, but the official explanations don't make sense. Many of the Alien theories don't make sense. It would probably be a non-issue if they Army themselves didn't originally claim they captured a flying saucer. Why would they have done that if they hadn't retrieved some bizarre wreckage? (IE, not a balloon) it's 60 years past, I doubt we'll every get a fully satisfactory explanation. I wish Ufologists didn't put so much stock in it, and focus on other things.

Anyway, I agree with Ronnie about trusting only a few people in the UFO field. I would maybe add John Keel to the list, although I think sometimes his investigations are sloppy, he shows the UFO phenomenon is much more bizarre and takes on many more forms than the Extraterrestrial enthusiasts let on.

I also don't like the Disclosure Project much. They seem to believe every government coverup rumor and bit of disinformation that comes along.

Also, there's no question that there is alot of government disinformation going on. Some see it as an evidence of a cover-up. It could serve other purposes, such as conceal black projects that are completely of Earthly origin.

I've studied UFOs for along time, basically all we 'know' about them is that strange unexplainable objects do appear in the sky. They can move in ways that defy what we know about physics, and the governments of the world have scrambled jets to chase them on numerous occasions.

everything else... greys, reptillians, zeta-reticuli, mj12, area 51 as an alien base. That's all myth-making. they are stories built on top here-say and shaky evidence. While it's possible that some of those stories are true, it's probably not a good idea to bet the house on it.

Michael Talbot in The Holographic Universe says that UFO's are holographic projections from the collective unconscious. Makes sense since they so easily defy the laws of physics. If they were normal matter anything inside would be torn to pieces with the way they accelerate.

I know a high level PHD scientist, who I've known for a while and played music with, who confided in me that one of his best friends, also a PHD scientist had confided in him that he had worked for a year on a crashed disc, for the government. Apparently, it was asymmetrical with bands of colour, and they never even figured out what it was made of.

I know this is just another anecdote, but I was very impressed, as this guy's integrity and straight ahead nerdy manner preclude deception in my mind, and when I asked any reason his friend would deceive him, he laughed as it was out of the question, after they had been good friends and business partners for a long time.

So, as for UFOs being non-physical, not so much. Plus, I saw a metalic disc reflecting sunlight as it turned when I was 14- a silent, perfect disc that was right over my head. It moved over the ocean and was gone.........

Here's a link to a recent post on this topic on the Parachat site that gives chapter and verse on the most specific and important of Mitchell's claims, as well as links to other posts and threads where additional information can be found.

Here is part of what the poster, "Uforadio," had to say:

The best that is known about the briefing so far it is that has probably happened around April 10 1997. The admiral in question is a J2, head of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Rear Admiral Thomas R. Wilson, U.S. Navy. I think that he was later promoted as a Vice Admiral, and later he was also a head of DIA later.

At the briefing besides Wilson and Mitchell, [according to] Steven Greer, [were] late Shari Adamiak, Naval Reserve Commander Willard H. Miller ... and Brigadier General Stephen Lovekin were also present. There were some other persons that are still unidentified.

During the briefing Wilson has allegedly received code names of the Special Access Projects that are dealing with reverse engineering of the UFO technology.

I would also recommend excellent Paracast interview with Richard Dolan from July of 2007. where Dolan has emphasized that he was able to get Wilson over the telephone and he received partial confirmation from Wilson directly about the meeting but didn't wanted to confirm other allegations. During the conversation Wilson has become very angry and aborted the conversation.

Regarding Roswell, a posthumous videotaped statement by Lt. Haut was released earlier this year in which he stated that bodies were recovered at Roswell. In addition, on the Larry King show recently (within the last month or two), a couple of new witness came forward stating that their military parents, now deceased, had told them they had seen or been officially told of a spacecraft and bodies.

The problem about the question of UFOs being physical or non-physical, is that many mystics and adepts state that things can be materialized out of higher levels of reality.

Anyway, although I'm not entirely sure I agree with him on all points, I found this author's take on the subject to be interesting:

It would probably be a non-issue if they Army themselves didn't originally claim they captured a flying saucer. Why would they have done that if they hadn't retrieved some bizarre wreckage?

"Flying disc/saucer" was the catch-all term for all UFOs at the time, following Kenneth Arnold's famous sighting just a month earlier.

The actual wreckage found at Roswell (by rancher Mac Brazel) bore no resemblance to anything we'd describe today as a "flying saucer" — it consisted of pieces of tinfoil, wooden sticks, and torn patches of rubber.

A day after he'd stashed these debris (although some reports put it at up to a week), he heard reports of "flying discs" for the first time (there was a blaze of publicity following the Arnold sighting), and wondered whether what he'd recovered might be related; he reported it to the sheriff as a possible "flying disc", and that's how it continued to be described. Note that the Army and FBI reports at the time talked of a "flying disc" even as they described it as being of balloon-like construction; it was simply the catch-all term for all UFOs as the term hadn't yet been coined. Also note that the authorities thought the "flying disc" reports were the result of top-secret Soviet spying equipment; they saw no contradiction in saucer-wreckage including pieces of Scotch tape and "tape with flowers printed upon it", as Brazel's find did, because they didn't have a preconception of the saucers being extraterrestrial in origin.

The Air Force investigation in the 90s concluded that the debris was the result of>Project Mogul, which used balloons carrying microphones and radio equipment to track Soviet nuclear tests. This would explain why the wreckage was first reported as a "flying disc", then rather unconvincingly as a "weather balloon" (which the Army staff might have been familiar with and identified earlier); Mogul was a top secret research project with strange-looking equipment. Nobody would have been aware a cover-up was even required until the initial reports filtered through to the Mogul staff.

Which probably marks the exact point at which flowery Scotch tape was banned on top-secret research projects.

Regarding Roswell, a posthumous videotaped statement by Lt. Haut was released earlier this year in which he stated that bodies were recovered at Roswell.

It wasn't a video, but a written affidavit. The contents of that confession weren't even written by Haut, but prepared for him by Donald Schmitt, a UFO author who, together with his co-author Kevin Randle, is recognized as one of the leading Roswell researchers. Haut just signed the affidavit.

There was a video interview of Haut in 2000; the interviewer at that time>writes:

Obviously the 2000 video tape shows Walter as a totally different person than the one represented in the 2002 written affidavit, and we now know that he didn't write the affidavit, nor are we able at this time to determine under what conditions it was signed.
So what kind of person was this Schmitt, who prepared the affidavit? There's a whole page on him>here, but this quote from his long-term collaborator Kevin Randle probably sums it up nicely:
"I had believed that his lying related only to his personal life. Now I learn that it doesn’t. Research he claimed to have done was not done by him but by an ‘assistant.’ He claimed that he had searched for the Roswell nurses, but their records were all missing. That is not even close to the truth… Schmitt declared that the records were all missing. Lies….

"The search for the nurses proves that he (Schmitt) will lie about anything. He will lie to anyone… He has revealed himself as a pathological liar… I will have nothing more to do with him."

who confided in me that one of his best friends, also a PHD scientist had confided in him that he had worked for a year on a crashed disc, for the government. - TShan doyle

Crashed discs? I'm sorry but I find that rather difficult to believe. So they can like fly gazillions of miles through the Universe but they can't negotiate our atmosphere? They are technologically sophisticated enough to fly interplanetary spacecraft but every once in a while they crash? What is the cause? Drunk driving?

Here's how psi-missing can be demonstrated. Let's say you're told to predict whether a coin will flip heads or tails for a thousand flips. Chance says you have a 50% chance of correctly predicting each flip, right?

Let's say, though, that you get absolutely none of your predictions correct: you're 0 for 1000. Well, guess what? That also beats chance, and so therefore something else must be at work. Just like chance can't explain how one could guess correctly every time, chance also cannot explain how one can guess wrong every time. This is what is meant by psi-missing. It is an equally-valid means of demonstrating psi.

I'm also a bit flummoxed at how you can say nothing happened at Roswell. Do you think a lowly Army press officer would have sent out a release saying a flying saucer had been recovered if in fact it hadn't? That would be a CLM: a career-limiting-move in military-speak. There are a lot of outlandish claims about Roswell, certainly, but I find it hard to deny something happened there.

As for Edgar Mitchell, if there is anyone in a position to know about UFOs interacting with our government, my money would be on Mitchell just based on his resume. He is anything but your typical armchair conspiracy theorist.

I have also spoken to people whom I consider credible on the topic who tend to back up Mitchell's assertions. You'll just have to take my word for it, though. As the saying goes, that and four bucks will buy you a cup of coffee! :)

As always, Michael, I enjoy visiting your blog and appreciate your willingness not to accept claims at face value.


Let's say, though, that you get absolutely none of your predictions correct: you're 0 for 1000. Well, guess what? That also beats chance

Yes, I understand that, but Mitchell's experiment didn't involve anything close to 1000 trials, so the below-chance results were probably not significant. (If you flip a coin ten times and are wrong every time, it's not statistically significant. You need a larger database.)

This is perhaps the only time I've linked to James Randi's site, but if you go here, you'll find a discussion of the ESP experiments conducted aboard Apollo 14. Randi writes:

"51 out of 200 of the guesses made by the four subjects, were successful. Chance would call for 40 correct. Two of the subjects, [Mitchell] reported, performed better than chance, while the other two performed at less-than-chance levels. But this is exactly what would be expected, and is no surprise at all! However, in this same interview Mitchell also rated the accuracy of all four as 'very good'! ...You see, the results obtained by Dr. Edgar Mitchell in his exciting ESP experiment to and from the Moon, were so incredibly bad that the chances were 3000-to-1 against missing that badly!"

In other words, two of the four test subjects got good results, while the other two got bad results. But Mitchell seems to believe that the bad results were so bad, they constitute evidence of psi-missing, and are therefore good.

I think it is more reasonable to say that with such a small number of trials, the variations from chance are not very significant in either direction. Of course, I am not a statistician, so I could be wrong.

Regarding Roswell, see Marcos F's two comments above.

I'm not familiar with Mitchell's experiment, but 3000:1 odds sound pretty good to me.

Randi, as usual, tries to pull a fast one when he tries to explain away the 3000:1 odds. He compares psi-missing to always betting on the wrong horse in a horse race. Of course, that's not at all what psi-missing is and he either knows this and is being intentionally misleading, or he actually is that stupid. Either way I'm hesitant to accept his opinion. And either way he never explains the 3000:1 odds. I will read up on what Mitchell claims instead (and what other, more reputable third parties say about it).

Ah, yes ... Project Mogul. You're telling me it took the Air Force fifty years to figure out a previously-unknown, top-secret program was responsible for Roswell. Little green men sound more plausible!!

You're telling me it took the Air Force fifty years to figure out a previously-unknown, top-secret program was responsible for Roswell.

No, it took fifty years for the project details to be made public — Mogul was the forerunner of the Skyhook program which sent high-altitude spy balloons over the USSR, well into the late 1960s when they were replaced by the U-2. It's understandable that they're not going to declassify such a program during the Cold War, and it was only the prompting of a New Mexico congressman — in response to the surge in media interest in the 90s — that led to the new investigation, so it's not like they were scratching their heads cooking up an explanation in the meantime. There's a good article by a participant in Mogul and the Skyhook program>here, with info on how they relate to other UFO sightings (just close your eyes when you see the first part of the URL, the article itself is interesting).

On the other hand, if you're attempting interstellar travel in something held together with Scotch tape, wood, and rubber patches, I wouldn't be surprised if the damn thing ended up crashing.

Little green men sound more plausible -Mark Turner

The impact area near Roswell lies 33° north latitude, at a distance 2,012 miles from the equator.

33.33 degrees of the great circle of the earth represents 2012.9 nautical miles. This corresponds to the year and date that the ancient Mayans believed their calendar will end, December 21st, 2012. This is also the year their serpent god and the founder of their civilization, Quetzalcoatle, will return from heaven.

When the latitude of the impact site 33° north, is multiplied by the universal mathematical constant PI, (3.1415926572...) the result is 104°, the longitude of the impact site…

So the Roswell crash site was deliberate and carefully chosen by Extraterrestrials as a sign for us Gnostics, who can interpret these things. The message is clear: Extraterrestrials will be invading on December 21st 2012. Earthlings, prepare.

They’re coming.

The best evidence for aliens I've seen is the multi-part Robert Dean interview on youtube. Definetely check it out if you have some time.

Also the mysterious "Victor" and his interviews on the Alien Interview documentary and his interview with Art Bell some time later.

The Roswell case has not been explained. Brad Sparks, a surprisingly thorough researcher, has completely deflated the Air Force's Mogul balloon explanation. Whatever crashed at Roswell, it wasn't a top secret balloon.

FWIW, I found a couple of intriguing comments on a thread at a political blog site relating to this story.

The commenter, Romeo13, writes:

Not the first… and won’t be the last…

I worked with High Power Air Search Radars in the Navy for over 20 years… and saw MANY MANY MANY unexplained things…

Things going WAY too fast… things changing direction faster than anything man can make… things going verticle at high rates of speed… and can attest to the fact that Yes, some are told NOT TO TALK about what they’ve seen.

Little Men? Never saw em… weirdness? in abundance…

And later, in response to the insinuation that he must have been high at the time:

Hmmm… so I guess the entire CIC of a Destroyer must have been high as well, not to mention the TAPES from the NTDS system… and totaly disregarding the Carrier Battle Group that launched its CAP…

But please continue the snark… its like the Global warming debate… there are idiots on both sides, and so one technique of debate is to paint ALL of the other side as idiots.

Of course I have no way of evaluating Romeo13's claims. I just thought his comments were interesting. The same commenter also provides a link to this two-page article on UFOs witnessed by Apollo astronauts.

Oops, I meant to link to the thread at the political site, Hot Air (although the comments so far are mainly snark). Anyway, here it is.

Michael, although Aldrin does claim to have seen a UFO, that claim is often used to make him seem a supporter of the notion of extraterrestrial visits. Aldrin is not. I'd say he's a healthy skeptic about it. The rest of the story is that Aldrin and the other astronauts at the time believe that they identified what that UFO was, but you rarely get the rest of the story when people mention Aldrin's claim. Aldrin was very clear about what he thinks that UFO was, and why he thinks it, on the Larry King show a while back. According to their calculations it was part of the Apollo rocket itself.

Michael, I strongly suggest you check out the Robert Dean project Camelot interview for some compelling evidence

There's more than enough room in all of reality for both solid physical vessels and other types of craft, varied in nature and origin, some from regions -- inner or outer -- quite removed from our own.

Owing to my one significant encounter, it's apparent to me, also, that there are those who require no vessel, can traverse inner space, and can also appear physically as a being of light.

I had no camera with me and was alone, late at night, walking in the woods on an old wagon road -- the sole witness. (There were no golden plates left by this being, no burning bushes, none of that stuff. This was strange but not "holy," in that sense.)

I have long puzzled over this experience.

Regarding Mitchell and some of his statements: The 2007 National Press Club video (found on Google Video -- search on "National Press Club" +UFO ) corroborates some of his statements.


Bill I.

THEY are there and only the naive can claim they do not exist.TO suggest only humans exist is naive. THE universe has life forms at all levels of progress and advancement. ONLY a hardened skeptic or one that fails to see beyond the physical universe can deny their existence.

Capitilised letters don't make it any more convincing Jeff.

Hey MP, someone is insulting you in a comments section on Paranormalia.

Hey MP, someone is insulting you in a comments section on Paranormalia.

I saw that yesterday. I recall Mark's embarrassing explosion on MP's threads a few months ago. It's interesting that some people will consider political positions that differ with their own to have relevance on issues of agreement. One of the posters moaned, "How can the opposition ever be won over to effective action against global warming if you can't even convince your own allies?"

The climate alarmists need to take a deep breath and consider what Václav Klaus, President of the Czech Republic,>has to say:

“I . . . do not see the future threats to free society coming from the old and old-fashioned communist ideology . . . In the past it was in the name of the masses (or of the Proletariat), this time in the name of the Planet. Structurally, it is very similar.

“I see the current danger in environmentalism and especially in its strongest version, climate alarmism . . .

“I ask: "What is Endangered: Climate or Freedom?" My answer is: "it is our freedom." I may also add "and our prosperity".

Those on the climate alarmist bandwagon may be shocked if and when they get what they're asking for. Perhaps the aliens will arrive in time to save the planet from overheating as well as mankind from collective insanity.

If, in fact, the planet is>actually overheating at all.

Hey MP, someone is insulting you in a comments section on Paranormalia.

Cool. Any publicity is good publicity.

Or as the saying goes, "Nobody ever kicked a dead dog."

Has Dr. Craig R Hogan lost his mind with the part in his book your eternal self that biophysicists cannot detect electrical activity in the brain. My gosh mri's can detect electrical activity in the brain. The rest of it is good but that part is not true. Anyone else seen him talk about that also?

Hi Michael:

Straying off topic, I'm just wondering if you have seen this?

It's a university lecturer's book on the afterlife. I'm wondering what your opinion on it is.

Statistics is tricky -- the results of an analysis depends on what you chose in advance to analyze, otherwise it is like painting a target around your arrow after you have shot it.

However, psi-missing is a well established phenomenon and had been for many decades before Mitchell's orbital experiment, and experimental designs in which the two-tailed analysis is done (thus including the possibility of psi-missing) was common, in fact, I think that this was done on the majority of tests.

The overall results described above (51 out of 200 with expected 40) comes out with a p of .052 where statistically significant is generally set to be any p less than .05. So this result is not "significant" but is, what is frequently called in statistics "highly suggestive" -- which means that a definite conclusion to "reject the null hypothesis" cannot be made, but there is an indication that a bit more power might provide a more definite result.

This analysis, however, is based on using a two-tailed test, and thus allowing for the possibility of psi-missing. If that is not done -- if we are willing to only accept successful hitting as evidence that something is "going on" -- then the p-value is halved and becomes .026.

This is clearly significant and good evidence for a psi effect! The overall experiment is not significant only if you allow for the possibility of psi missing.

Given the history of some individuals showing psi missing as well as the so-called "differential effect" (a tendency in parapsychology for experiments with two conditions to get psi-hitting in one condition and psi-missing in the other) it would have been quite reasonable to design the test to evaluate each subject separately and whether you would "expect" to have two above chance and two below would depend entirely on how much above and how much below.

So, at worst, this experiment was highly suggestive. I don't remember what the planned analysis was, but it could easily have been quite statistically significant. The results presented are pretty strong given the small sample size. Randi's critique is his usual smoke and mirrors. Why ever would anyone -- even a supporter -- feel that anything he had to say about statistical evidence was worth listening to?

By the way, the probability of getting either all 10 coin-flips right or all 10 wrong is 1/512 or about .002 which is not only significant but "50 times smaller" than the .01 level of "highly significant".

Thanks, Topher, for that informative comment. I admit that statistics is beyond me, so I'll take your word for it that the calculations were done correctly and a significant - or possible significant - result was obtained. This should teach me not to pay attention to Randi, even when I think he's making sense! Mea culpa.

It’s true that Don Schmitt’s unsupported testimony can be discounted in light of his record of prevarication. But the disclosure by Lt. Haut was supported by a signed affidavit that was witnessed by three persons.

Here’s a link to a post where the circumstances of that affidavit are critiqued:
Lots more material can be found by Googling for Haut affidavit.

Doubters have muted the impact of this document by arguing that:

1. Haut was somewhat ga-ga at the time, based on his muddled responses in the 2002 videotape.

2. The affidavit was written by Schmitt and only signed by Haut. (Schmitt acknowledges this, but claims its content was based on information Haut had confided to him and his partner in confidence over the years.)

3. Haut might have wanted to bolster the revenues of the local UFO museum where his daughter works by endorsing the Roswell legend.

These objections would dissolve if it turned out that Haut had confided in astronaut Edgar Mitchell decades earlier, before the local museum existed (or anyway before his daughter went to work there). I suspect that this is the case because, in an interview posted a couple of days ago by Lisa Bonnice of BlogTalkRadio at: , Mitchell had this to say about Roswell:

"My information comes from what I call “the old timers,” because I grew up in the Roswell area and when I went to the moon, some of the old timers from that period, some locals, and others military and intelligence people, who were under rather severe oaths to not reveal any of this and kind of wanted to get their conscience clear and off their chests before they passed on, selected me and said, independently – this wasn't a group effort – that maybe I might be a safe person to tell their story to. And all of them confirmed, and what I'm saying is they confirmed the Roswell incident was a real incident.”

I’ve sent a message to the interviewer asking her to ask Mitchell if Haut was one of his informants, and I’ve posted a suggestion that his next interviewer should ask that on a couple of UFO sites (Parachat and UFO Mystic).

At a minimum, this is a smudge pot that adds additional “smoke” to the Roswell affair, strengthening the suspicion of a fire somewhere, and providing additional justification for a real investigation.

Of course, the debris turned in by the rancher seems very unlikely to be UFO wreckage, despite its alleged unearthly properties. But—I’ve seen it speculated—it may be that the well-known wreckage site was a diversion, and that the real wreckage and bodies were obtained from one or two other sites nearby.

It’s been suggested that the disk crashed either because it was confused by powerful local radar, or was hit by lightning, or got shot down.

Roger, I've been in touch with Dr. Mitchell and he has always been good about responding to my questions. I'll email and ask him that.

That's wonderful, DMD! Here are three follow-up questions:

1. About what year did Haut confide in Mitchell?

2. Did Haut ever indicate that he'd also confided in others--and if so, who? (This is important because various Roswell locals to whom he talked may have seized on this knowledge to falsely claim that they themselves were privy to secret knowledge--e.g., Kaufman and Glen Dennis. This has had the effect of tarnishing other witness testimony.)

3. Are there any other informants who have passed on whose names Mitchell can now reveal?

Roger, Dr. Mitchell says that he believes he met Walter Haut once, and that he isn't sure but that he thinks it was after Roswell became big news.

Thanks. Did Haut happen to confide in Mitchell that there were bodies and a craft recovered at Roswell?

Beside hut, are there any other old-timer informants who have passed on and whom Mitchell can now name?

I didn't ask him the first question, but I did ask him the second, twice actually. He said he basically knew the same people that we knew, the only one of whom left is Jesse Marcel Jr.

My impression is that he formed his opinions using the same sources of information, that something is going on here deeper than the general public realizes, as the rest of us who share that view have.

DMD: The key point is not what Mitchell knew and how he knew it. A vague, general statement there is sufficient, if that's all he cares to give--that's his privilege.

But it's a different matter for him to withhold providing confirmation of Haut's testimony, which has been put under a dark cloud because of the circumstances surrounding it, as I spelled out earlier. A couple of sentences from Mitchell would make a world of difference in restoring Haut's reputation. (He's been dissed by Korff and his ilk for being ga-ga and wanting to ensure his daughter's job at the local UFO museum.) And it would greatly strengthen the credibility of Haut's affidavit, which in turn would greatly strengthen the case for the reality of "Roswell" and UFOs.

So I urge you to go back to Ed and ask him that first question: Did Lt. Haut confide in him that bodies and a craft were recovered at Roswell?

If you think it would help, forward him this post of mine explaining why his confirmation is important.

PS: A non-specific, all-encompassing statement like "He said he basically knew the same people that we knew" is too vague to adequately back up Haut's testimony. It would be waved aside as an empty of meaning by those who wish to disregard Haut's claim. The only way to endorse Haut is for Mitchell to specifically say that Haut confided in him decades ago. (An approximate date would help.)

Oh well, there goes more of Greer's credibility out the window. I'm starting to feel as though I have been sucked in to a con-artist's game:

Admiral: Never looked for UFO data

By Billy Cox

Published: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 4:07 p.m.
Last Modified: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 4:14 p.m.
A former high-ranking military intelligence official rumored to have been snubbed in his attempts to obtain sheltered UFO data insists he never even bothered to look for it.

“Never,” retired Rear Admiral Thomas R. Wilson replied Tuesday when asked if he’d ever been barred from retrieving classified material, exotic or otherwise, during his career.

Wilson, the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, was head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1997 when he agreed to meet at the Pentagon with advocates of UFO declassification. Among them, he confirms, was Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell.

The driving force behind that meeting was North Carolina UFO researcher and emergency-room doctor Steven Greer. Greer founded The Disclosure Project in an effort to grant amnesty to government whistleblowers willing to violate their security oaths by sharing insider knowledge about UFOs.

At least seven years ago (, Greer was telling audiences about extracting a pledge from Wilson during that meeting to investigate special access projects involving UFO technology. But shortly thereafter, Greer claimed Wilson reported that he didn’t have the proper security clearance to inspect those files.

As Greer informed a Portland, Ore., audience in 2001, “(Wilson) said, ‘I am horrified that this is true. I have been in plenty of black projects, but when we tried to get into this one,’ he was told, and I quote, ‘Sir, you do not have a need to know.’ The head of intelligence Joint Staffs. You don't have a need to know. Neither did the CIA director, and neither did the President.”

This story has been circulating on the Internet ever since, and made it into Greer’s book “Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge,” last year. But the thing didn’t sprout legs until Mitchell began discussing the meeting during what turned out to be a media blitz in July.

Mitchell avoided all mention of Wilson’s name, but in a July 4 appearance on Larry King Live, the moonwalker told CNN audiences he’d learned the admiral “had found the people responsible for the cover-up and for the people who were in the know and were told, I'm sorry, admiral, you do not have need to know here and so, goodbye.”

Now an executive with a Minnesota-based defense contractor, Wilson told De Void he “accepted (Mitchell’s 1997) request because he was a former astronaut and maybe had more credibility than some person off the street.” Wilson says he doesn’t remember who else attended that meeting, but he admitted to “a certain amount of curiosity” about allegations of deep-black UFO projects.

“What is true is that I met with them,” Wilson said in a phone interview. “What is not true is that I was denied access to this material, because I didn’t pursue it. I may have left it open with them, but it was not especially compelling, not compelling enough to waste my staff’s time to go looking for it.”

Mitchell told De Void he never heard directly from Wilson after their initial meeting, but he says he trusts the veracity of the unnamed sources who told him of Wilson’s inability to penetrate security.

Mitchell said he was "shocked" by Wilson’s response to De Void, but added, “I do not wish to engage him on this matter.”

Steven Greer refused to back down.

“I was there and know what was said,” he stated in an e-mail. “I was also informed prior to the meeting that, after sending him a secret document with UFO-related code names and numbers, that he located one of the compartments but was specifically denied access to the operation.”

There is a thread on this topic by knowledgeable people on the Paracast site, here:

One of the posts links to a statement by Rich Dolan, who interviewed Wilson in 2006, here:

Here is what Dolan concluded:
"I was left with a distinct impression that Greer's account of the matter was substantially correct. That is, that Greer and Mitchell did persuade Wilson to look into it, and that Wilson did so. Furthermore, that he was denied access to said programs.

"Wilson was basically a man who was caught off guard. His denials rang very hollow to me.

"One final comment on this. After my conversation with the Admiral, I checked back with my source. "What else would you expect him to say?", he told me. "He would lose every security clearance he ever held if he gave you what you wanted."

"As well as, quite obviously, threatening to bring down the entire house of cards. After all, an admission from Wilson that this was true.....? Good god. That would be enough to do it."

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