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The Spiritualist Chatroom has been hacked and all references to David Thompson and Victor Zammit have been deleted!

Ghosts in the machines! I'm sure neither DT or VZ are involved in any way. Another example of the completely unreasonable attacks upon them.

When I try to use SCR now, I get error messages whenever I click on any thread, whether it pertains to David Thompson or not.

I would have assumed this was a server glitch rather than a hack, but Zerdini (who posted the comment here) is one of the site's moderators, and he would know.

A couple of little wee comments...

1) I'm glad that you linked the Ontario boy story. I was going to alert you to it, but got lazy. I only live 30 minutes from Ontario, and my wife works there. I'm wondering if I could get to the family for a more focused interview, or to encourage them to keep a detailed diary of things the boy says or does.

2) Well, we don't know if the Spiritualist chatroom was hacked or if the deletion of the DT and VZ comments can be traced back to any one particular proponent of the Australian materialization claims, but this sure does smell a whole lot like the tactics of another well organized free speech suppressor

I apologize, William. It sounded to me that you were saying that no one could ever put these things into words, but I did reread your other post and you did say that it might be possible for MP to put it into words. Sorry...

Thanks for the kind words, Michael H. To be totally honest, I don't necessarily have the highest opinion of everyone here. I think some of these people, without mentioning specific names, seem to be too willing to jump to conclusions without the appropriate level of skepticism (and no, I don't mean the James Randi version of skepticism). I wish more people on all sides would start thinking in terms of probability rather than certainty. When it comes down to it, we don't really know anything. It's just a matter of how likely a certain statement is to be true.

The Spritualist Chatroom is back online, and all posts are now accessible, including the posts about David Thompson.

Maybe it was just a server malfunction after all ...

When it comes down to it, we don't really know anything.

There you go - I've felt for sometime we'd all progress faster (in all fields) if we could find some genuine humility. Easier said than done.

This is true. We also need to beware trying to get others to feed our enormous egos...

Rereading my last comment, it sounded kind of mean. I want to clarify that I don't mean that I have a problem with everyone on this blog (if I did, I probably would not be posting here) but that I think that some specific individuals are too dogmatic. Maybe I should reread my comments more before I post them next time. Sigh...

Mark thanks for rereading my comments.

"When it comes down to it, we don't really know anything."

Saying we really don’t know anything is the same as saying we know everything.

We do indeed know something but how much we know is impossible for us to know. There are two types of ignorance. Positive ignorance, which is when we think we know but do not know and negative ignorance when we don’t know that we don’t know. Both cause us problems with positive ignorance being the most difficult to overcome.

I suspect we know very little and maybe our soul's journey is just getting started. But then when did the soul's journey start? As a rock? A blade of grass? An animal? When did we attain a self-identity? As a human?

I do not see that many dogmatic opinions on this post. Of course my previous statements may be taken as dogmatic. In the eyes of the beholder lies opinion. Everything is relative try an ultra skeptic website to blog on or a fundamentalist religious website. Then compare.

The world is relative if the world was not a relative world there would not be a world, as we know it. Human interaction and for that matter all interaction demands a relative world.

This may be the most opened minded blog I ever made comments on. When I comment on other blogs with my ideas or whatever, wow here come the attacks. State to someone on a religious blog that everyone is innocent and watch the attacks come. Comment to someone on an ultra skeptic blog that we have souls and wow here come those attacks, even hostile attacks.

Yeah, I agree that this blog is better than a lot of them. I don't believe everything is relative, nor do I agree that not knowing anything is quite the same as knowing everything, but I do believe that, for now, at least, the only way that we have for learning truth is through subjective means. I also hear what you are saying about positive and negative ignorance. I heard a story about Plato that was very similar. Something along the lines of him being the most wise man alive, not because he knew everything, but because he was the only one who knew that he knew nothing. I actually don't even think that the statement "I know nothing for sure" is totally certain, but it is the most likely possibility. By the way, I wasn't saying people attack too much, I was just saying that some people here believe too strongly that they are right and they are not willing to give serious thought to the idea that they are wrong. Not all, though.

I was just saying that some people here believe too strongly that they are right and they are not willing to give serious thought to the idea that they are wrong. Not all, though.

I think I have to agree with William that there's fewer rigid thinkers here than elsewhere. At the same time, the introspection Mark's suggesting is rare anywhere, but ideal. I'm probably among the most dogmatic here in that I tend to hammer on looking beyond all beliefs - I'm dogmatic about not only getting past dogma, but being willing to look beyond personal experience as well, if that makes any sense.

That being said, I don't see anyone here espousing dangerous ideas. On the contrary, most contributors seem to support a deeper reality of some sort. I've been reflecting on this lately, and I've come to the conclusion that all conflict, here and elsewhere, has more to do with psychology than philosophy. Then again, that statement can also be interpreted as absolute and dogmatic.

Chapter 56 of the Tao Te Ching opens with the line, "Those who know don't talk; Those who talk don't know." I guess that means that if any of us truly reaches understanding, we won't hear from them again.

This is all pointing me towards the existence of qualia. You can know everything about a phenomenon, but unless you've actually experienced it, you can't know. - John
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This is what I've been saying over and over again for years. Life is full of experiences that the only way to truly "know" them is to experience it for yourself. For instance, making love to another person. You can read a million books about sex, or watch a million DVD's about making love, but you don't really "know" what it's like to make love to another person till you've actually done it. The same thing holds true for a myriad of other experiences in life. How does one describe what an olive tastes like? Bitter, sour, salty, oily, you can't capture that essential oliveness with words. It has to be experienced. Riding a wave, riding a bike, running, just being alive. Just existing in a 3 dimensional + 1 time universe can't be understood unless you've been there and done that. And I'm pretty sure that it has everything to do with "why we are here."

In reading passages from the Tao Te Ching this morning, I came across the following, which I think speaks to Mark's point if I'm understanding him. It certainly recalls the comment regarding platonic wisdom. Chapter 71 of the Stephen Mitchell translation reads:

Not-knowing is true knowledge.
Presuming to know is a disease.
First realize that you are sick;
then you can move towards health.

The Master is her own physician.
She has healed herself of all knowing.
Thus she is truly whole.

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