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So true!

Whenever I begin to think I know everything about something, I'm likely to make my worst blunders. I must not be alone, because humankind appears in retrospect to have been making one blunder after another throughout history, and in many of those instances people were absolutely certain, they were absolutely right.

Must not confuse nuts for ignorance. It is our ignorance or unawareness that makes us look nuts.

Take away that unawareness and we are not nuts. But then without our unawareness (ignorance) we are not these unique insane interacting folks just perfect absolute pure awareness. (I.e. No form, no consciousness, no interaction; just pure awareness that many call void, emptiness, or nothingness in their ignorance.)

*Pure awareness (spirit) must become something “less” than it's infinite perfection to express itself as conscious entities that feel unique and separate.

All of creation is relative for a reason and that reason is the infinite expression of “god’s” potential. We are an aspect of that expression that to the less than perfect aware mind looks nuts.

This has been a discovery of mine and not an absolute realization so I claim no absence from looking/being as nuts as the rest of humankind and after reading this many will believe I am indeed more nuts than others.

*Note: Pure awareness never becomes “less” but has the appearance of being less to those of us that lack perfect pure awareness. If that statement is not confusing than what is in life.

Oh, my.

Not but a few hours after posting the above statement, I came across an article featuring a scientist claiming that http://www.highoddness.com/2008/02/19/is-hell-freezing-over-one-scientist-says-yes/>Hell is freezing over. Literally.

It's certainly easier to find amusement in some things than others. :)

Having been nuts my whole life I've kind of grown fond of it, makes for some interesting experiences to say the least.

My beliefs, doubts, desires are constantly changing, the question is am I getting nuttier, in the process??;-)

William says "This has been a discovery of mine and not an absolute realization so I claim no absence from looking/being as nuts as the rest of humankind and after reading this many will believe I am indeed more nuts than others"

hehehehe, yep I think your in touch with your higher self again William.

I went to that link of yours Michael, about hell freezing over, read this that Ive taken from there.

"The concern is that the temperature at the Earth’s core is dropping dramatically, from it’s temperature of roughly 4000 degrees Kelvin, or 6700 degrees Fahrenheit, in 2006. According to the RECTAL data, the Earth’s core has been dropping about 1300 degrees Fahrenheit annually beginning as of last year, and will reach roughly the freezing temperature of water in the year … 2012."

I don't know if I'd be trusting any RECTAL data, would you? ;-)


Hope, are you saying that you're doubtful about the validity of data compiled by the Rotating Epicyclic Calibration for Temperature Analog Localization project? For shame.

I thought this was an interesting observation as well. I mean, we do have to be careful about what we share with the public:

"This could cause mass panic for absolutely no reason. Even a Republican would understand that mass panic should only be unleashed on solid evidence.”

I think I'm gonna have weird dreams tonight. :)

no I was making a joke about the word "rectal" maybe it's an Aussie thing, naughty downunder.

As long as you can keep "rectal" out of your dreams Michael you'd be fine otherwise it would be weird.

It's a joke! Laugh everyone ;-)

let me clear this up a little more,
rectal = rectum

That whole article was probably a joke. I would be pretty surprised if they truly named something like that rectal.

The project, known as the Rotating Epicyclic Calibration for Temperature Analog Localization (RECTAL),

hehehehe

It's a funny piece Michael, thanks for the joy, it going to give me premature wrinkles, I haven't stopped laughing,:-{

I was rather amused myself - felt it was worth sharing. And if nothing else, this thread is sort of confirming the premise of rampant nuttiness.

Isn't that website pretty much all parody? :)

Sounds like parody to me.

The article is clearly a parody. I assume everyone knows that. Right?

Yes

There goes MP and Hope, expressing reason again.

BTW, MP, I agree with your assessment above. I was referencing the ridiculousness of the academics (and our reactions to them) when I posted that, but it appears to me that there's too many of us taking ourselves and others much too seriously in general.

I certainly do so at times. It's easy to get frustrated and discouraged. It's not that things don't matter, they do, but just lightening up sometimes may provide some fresh perspective. And fresh perspective on life in general surely can't hurt.

So then, let’s sum up why we visit this blog:
1. To express our nuttiness (masquerading as wisdom);
2. To get a fresh perspective on life;
3. To find people to get together with when Hell freezes over.
OK?
Oh, and I forgot:
4. To find the ultimate truth ;-)

Since I inadvertently posted that anonymously, I thought of a game:
You could play "Guess Who".

There are hierarchical levels of "crazy", lest we forget.

There's plain old crazy
Crazy enough to be true
A little crazier than most
Crazy like a fox
Crazy with a capital "C"
Crazy Cakes
Leona Helmsley (or Naomi Campbell) boss crazy
Crazier than Whitney Houston on crack crazy
The crazy offspring of Britney Spears and Amy Winehouse kind of crazy

and of course, the most common kind of crazy...


Totally Fu*k'n crazy!

So I DO belong here! :o)

Its you Michael :-)

Oh, it's great to be here, LOL!

Yes, William, even as pure consciousness expressed in matter, we are all imperfect "works in progress." Being crazy means you're actually LIVING LIFE and expressing your awareness. We are extensions of Source consciousness - how that Source experiences itself through all OUR wonderful diversity! So let's all continue with the craziness, be the unique, beautiful individuals we are and make sure God is having the best experience in this and each moment of eternity!

Ross wrote in the previous thread, "How is one to tell who is a nut and who isn't (this links in with the new thread nicely, I think..!)"

I think we need to see it in ourselves first. Once we've genuinely seen our own craziness, we interpret others' craziness differently. Instead of seeing them as blind and stupid, we see them as innocent. It's not a small change.

“Instead of seeing them as blind and stupid, we see them as innocent.”

Michael H: from my point of view you nailed this one. Lo and behold the origin of ignorance is indeed innocence. Very, very difficult to see with all the perceived evil and selfishness in the world.

Michael, Michael H, William, Wendy, Hope Rivers, Marcel, Art, John, Barbra, and others would not exist as perceived unique separate individuals without that innocence. Innocence is mandatory for individuality to occur, no exceptions.

I spent six years on one question alone “what is the origin of our ignorance that causes so much of our suffering in the world?” I never would have dreamed it would turn out to be innocence. I suspect religious institutions won’t touch that one for a very long time. Too much money in preaching sin and free will.

Someone just told me today that there is a mega Christian church in Korea that brings in close to one million dollars a week in offerings. Have not checked it out but the source was reliable.

Michael, Michael H, William, Wendy, Hope Rivers, Marcel, Art, John, Barbra, and others would not exist as perceived unique separate individuals without that innocence. Innocence is mandatory for individuality to occur, no exceptions. - william
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I think we are kept ignorant on purpose. If we knew absolutely 100% for certain what the truth was life would cease to be the powerful lesson in separation that it is. If we knew absolutely for certain that one day we were going to be reunited with our loved ones in heaven death would lose it's dominion over us as the most emotional and powerful lesson in separation that we have to endure while existing on this earth.

>Its you Michael :-)

Not me.

Okay then lets find out who the Guess Who person is....

Please step forward and reveal your identity, were waiting, all you have to do is say, it was me of course don't say "it was me" if it wasn't either.

I'll go first...........It wasn't me

Art I don’t think we are kept ignorant. We evolve over time (perceived time) from innocence with a spark of spirit to a consciousness with a self-identity to absolute pure awareness. I.e. oneness.

No one keeps us ignorant that would be evil defined.

My point has always been we are innocent of our true reality for the manifestation and expression of infinite oneness into the unfoldment of infinite possibilities. In simpler terms the evolution of souls.

My point has always been we are innocent of our true reality for the manifestation and expression of infinite oneness into the unfoldment of infinite possibilities. In simpler terms the evolution of souls. - william
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We'll experience plenty of "oneness" and infinite possibilities after we cross over. Everyone, including tobacco chewing moonshine swilling ignorant hillbillies from Southern Appalachia will achieve oneness and infinite possibilities. You don't have to do jack squat to achieve that either. The souls lessons are embedded in our everyday lives and the soul learns holistically what it's supposed to learn whether we want it to or not. Yes, God is that smart. The soul is imprinted, which means it learns in the same way that baby ducks and geese learn who their mothers are, and how children learn how to talk before they ever start school. Their brains are designed that way. The Physical Universe is designed for the soul to experience what it needs to experience, duality and separation, time and space, and make memories of what it's like to exist in a 3 dimensional + 1 time universe. There is so much oneness and connectedness in the Spiritual Universe that it may not be possible to develop a sense of self or individuality while existing in the Spiritual Universe, so it has to be achieved in the physical universe. We come here to become separate, unique, individuals and experience time and space.

excerpt from Mark Horton's NDE:
"I suddenly just relaxed completely and allowed "myself" to dissolve (?) open up (?) merge (?) into the "oneness" that surrounded me. The ex- plosion of emotion and (again words are almost useless) over- whelming "love" that I now felt made any previous feelings I had experienced even during this episode, however "long" it had/was/is going on, seem like nothing! I cannot possibly put into words that any human language has that feeling. I was ev- erything, I was nothing. I was everywhere, I was nowhere. I was everywhen, I wasn't. My intellect had expanded to contain every thing, time, place, and even being that was, is, or ever would be! I was unique yet I was the tiniest part of the whole."

Sorry, Hope, it was me. Being in the UK, I'm not always online when others are. But I'm with you in spirit!

To all --

I stopped by to officially notify everyone that "Is Hell Freezing Over? One Scientist Says Yes" is in fact a parody.

Part of what I was poking fun at was the attitude of the professional scientist, from my experience.

Though the fact that this article wound up being grist for the mill of a fairly serious discussion gives me hope -- and also gives me hope that Higher Oddness will reach it's target audience of "thinking person's humor."

About all I can say to that is ... yee haw!

Daniel
High Oddness: The Universe According to Daniel Brenton

Ah yes, Daniel. But have you read "The God Delusion" yet? Hard to find humour in that. One surprising thing about it, though: Mr Dawkins didn't once mention the term "free will". Imagine that! A whole book on God without mention of free-will. Come to think of it, that's quite funny! Nutty, even!

"But have you read "The God Delusion" yet? Hard to find humour in that."

It's all point of view, really. It's certainly not very funny if it's taken as intended by the author. On the other hand, if someone can really read it as an example of what can happen if someone takes their own ideas as absolute, it is kind of amusing.

It's just Dawkins expressing his own nuttiness, of which he's not aware. He does make some good points in pointing out the nuttiness of his religious opponents, too.

He certainly hasn't asked himself if he's as nutty as they are, so he doesn't see his opponents as innocently nutty, only as dangerously nutty. The whole debate is a microcosm of what happens all over the world as a consequence of failing to see our own craziness.

So, it's simultaneously funny and not, depending upon how one happens to be viewing it at any given moment. I posit it's best to aspire to amusement.

Emphasis on 'aspire' - I certainly don't always see it (or politics, or difficult girlfriends, or . . . life in general) as amusing either.

The god delusion: if I remember correctly Dawkins only mentions consciousness one time in the book. I have found atheism to be a system of beliefs based in intellectualism. Dr Hora (PAGL.org) considers intellectualism to be based in positive ignorance. I.e. thinking we know when we do not know.

Speaking of Dr Hora I would like to introduce his two intelligent questions. “What is the meaning of what seems to be? and What is what really is?” He wrote in my opinion one of the most profound books I have ever read called “Beyond the Dream”.

And to think when I started my research 17 years ago I thought atheists would be the most open-minded people on earth. Of course I thought Buddhism would be the one true religion. Discovering neither was true was a bit of a disappointment to me.

I kept looking for that one book that contained all truth. Yea good luck on that one. Guess I will have to write my own book of truth. Whoops acting crazy again.

Free will: what would religion be without free will. From the religious point of view free will leads to sin and here comes the money and control.

I have always preferred the concept of choices within boundaries. What are those boundaries? Dare I say: unawareness, not knowing, and ignorance and all three lead to missing the mark (sin).

William says: "I kept looking for that one book that contained all truth."
Thanks William, I'll add 'Beyond the Dream' to my list! On the subject of truth-seeking, I read this today, which seems to chime in with what Art and Michael H and others have said here. The best NDE and aftermath interpretation I've seen to date: A must-read by all here, I say (if you haven't already)http://www.nderf.org/anita_m's_nde.htm

As for Michael H: "I posit it's best to aspire to amusement." -yes, this must be true, and I can do this on the intellectual level (sometimes), but how to deal with trauma and instinctive psychological reactions like visceral fear is what I need to learn - things that pop out of my being before I even have time to prepare myself.

Nice link, Ross. From the linked account, with emphasis added:

“The amount of love I felt was overwhelming, and from this perspective, I knew how powerful I am, and saw the amazing possibilities we as humans are capable of achieving during a physical life. I found out that my purpose now would be to live “heaven on earth” using this new understanding, and also to share this knowledge with other people . . .

“After what I have seen, I realize that absolutely anything is possible, and that we did not come here to suffer. Life is supposed to be great, and we are very, very loved. The way I look at life has changed dramatically, and I am so glad to have been given a second chance to experience “heaven on earth”.”

Thanks Ross I think you will find Dr Hora’s words very interesting. Thought I would leave you with two of his eleven principles of metapsychiatry.

(10) The understanding of what really is abolishes all that seems to be.

(11) Do not show your pearls to unreceptive minds, for they will demean them.

Number eleven I think applies to our discussions with ultra skeptics. May be a waste of time but from my point of view it allows me to experience their views, which often challenges my views. Often makes me think deeper about my beliefs, which I suspect are often hidden in my subconscious.

Yes, Michael H, and the stuff at the end in the "Supplementary Comments" is right up Art's street! Brilliant!

William: "May be a waste of time but from my point of view it allows me to experience their views, which often challenges my views. Often makes me think deeper about my beliefs, which I suspect are often hidden in my subconscious."
Yes, William - that's why I feel compelled to read books like "The God Delusion"! But hey, if you ever feel doubt, just read that link I just sent.

Sorry to go off topic, but the Daily Grail has an excellent article on the Randi Million Dollar Challenge. It offers some fresh perspective and quotes at least one occasional commentator here. (I leave it to this person to take credit if credit is desired.) Worth reading:

http://dailygrail.com/features/the-myth-of-james-randis-million-dollar-challenge

Ross --

No, I have not read The God Delusion, though maybe there's something there to satirize.

I guess I'm going to show my biases -- I've had too many paranormal experiences to take something like Dawkin's premise (as I understand it at the moment) seriously.

Actually, there probably is a lot of material there. Thanks for the tip.

Daniel
High Oddness: The Universe According to Daniel Brenton

OK Daniel. If you couldn't find anything to satirise, I'd be surprised. And if The God Delusion's tone happened to get anyone down, they could read the obvious antidote, which is Francis Collins, "The Language of God - A Scientist presents evidence for belief". It's my current lunch time reading, and is a good, sensible argument for belief in something beyond us. If you didn't want people to think you were "nutty", you'd cite the 'Moral Argument' and the 'Anthropic principle' from this book instead of referring to NDEs and paranormal experiences!
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/collins.commentary/index.html

My wife is a professor at Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee. Last semester she came home with a little leaflet that she saw on a "Science and Religion" talk that was being given on-campus there by Dr. John Polkinghorne. He's this physicist/Anglican Priest that is really brilliant and interesting to listen to, and so I asked our preacher if he'd like to go with me to hear Polkinghorne speak. It was so good. It was one of the most worthwhile things I've ever done in my life. Very positive and uplifting. I asked my wife to keep her eye out in case she sees anymore Science and religion talks that are being given on-campus at Belmont.

Tony M's recommendation of Greg's piece on http://www.dailygrail.com/features/the-myth-of-james-randis-million-dollar-challenge#new>Randi is on target.

It's an excellent essay, and not necessarily off-topic either. One will either laugh or cry, depending upon whatever mood the reader happens to be in. And either way, it's an excellent example of craziness in action. :)

I totally agree!

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