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"You [mortals] to us are more as we understand sleep and, in order for us to get into communication with you, we have to enter into your sphere, as one like yourself, asleep."

These quotes parallel exactly what many near death experiencers say about the physical reality.

excerpt from Michelle M's NDE:
"I felt an understanding about life, what it was, is. As if it was a dream in itself."'s_nde.htm

and it also corroborates statements made by physicists.

"Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real." - Niels Bohr

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." - Albert Einstein

"As the religions of the East have long upheld, the material world is Maya, an illusion, and although we may think we are physical beings moving through a physical world, this too is an illusion." - The Holographic Universe,

This leads me to believe that there are no coincidences, everything happens for a reason, even the bad stuff, and free may very well be an illusion.

Illusion is a very misconceived word or concept. The synonyms for illusion are not representative of the physical laws that exist in the physical world, as we know it. Jump out of a tall building and find out if the law of gravity is also an illusion.

I believe what is an illusion is when we believe that the physical world is ultimate reality. One could even say that the idea of a separate soul is an illusion or even all the other dimensions that may exist beyond this physical world are mere illusions.

From the book the supreme adventure on page 176 the following quote: “when the bodily factor (ectoplasm) is borrowed in very large amounts by a discarnate soul from a physical medium (if such a process does indeed as we believe occur) there is a correspondingly great effect on the level of consciousness of both the discarnate and the incarnate souls concerned.

This suggests that one should not expect too much accuracy from the discarnate soul or the medium.

Illusion is a very misconceived word or concept. The synonyms for illusion are not representative of the physical laws that exist in the physical world, as we know it. Jump out of a tall building and find out if the law of gravity is also an illusion. - william

Sometimes it is. Read Arthur W's NDE and Robert K. Blair's description of his experience.

from Arthur W's NDE:
"Instantly I was outside my body, hovering above the scene. I was completely alert. I was in a void and surrounded by only darkness, but I could see the scene below me. I was quite aware that I was no longer inside my body. I could see myself laying on the ground and all those I had been with looking on. My wife was standing in the street turned facing the other direction and I realized she was watching the vehicle that had hit me turned around and heading back towards us for a second time. Three things came to my thoughts. 1) That if the vehicle was to hit me again that would be it! 2) That my wife was in danger again. As she was standing in front of my body with her hands waving to the automobile in a fashion as to flag them down. Only they were going way to fast to stop and way to close to miss. 3) My 6 month old son was foremost in my mind. I remember sensing a presence, nothing visual but I knew I was Not alone! I said, "Please Dear God, No! Not Now!" I saw the car pass through the scene, it did not swerve, it did not turn. It passed directly through, leaving my wife and my body untouched. Instantly after that I found myself laying on the ground, back inside my body writhing in pain. This story can be confirmed! Teresa, who was my wife at the time can confirm it. We are no longer married. But she recalls this event as well as I do. She also claims that the car passed directly through the scene, there was No way for it not to, it was going way to fast and was too close to either miss or swerve out of the way. But miss it did, and left everyone untouched. In my experience this was nothing short of miraculous."'s_nde.htm

Robert K. Blair's experience:
"Robert Blair Kaiser is an author and a former correspondent for Time magazine. Reviewing a book about miracles he wrote: "In 1994, behind the wheel of my Mercedes, I lurched out of my driveway and was awakened from my dreamy preooccupation by the sight of a speeding car bearing down on me, not five feet away on my left. I knew I was a dead man.

"All of a sudden, that car was on my right. The driver weaved a bit, braked for a moment and then drove off, shaking his head in disbelief, as I was. For it was clear to me, there was no way he could have missed crashing into me, no way he could have steered aside. His car had flashed through my car, his steel and glass and rubber passing through my steel and glass and rubber like a ray of light through a pane of alabaster."

Kaiser ends his anecdote with a reflection: "This miracle moment was a turning point in my life, for I took it as a sign that God wasn't finished with me yet and that I had some new business to attend to."

art there are two words that get my interest. sometimes and should.

thanks for sharing these stories once again these stories show how little we know about the world we live in.

what would life be without these mysteries?

when two people talk about illusion they must first agree upon an operational definition of the concept of illusion.

one could say that everything is an illusion except the absolute infinite isness.

when two people talk about illusion they must first agree upon an operational definition of the concept of illusion. - william

When I say "illusion" what I mean is that matter ain't made of matter. Atoms are mostly ghostly space (99.9999999% empty space to be exact) and the sub atomic particles themselves are hardly like anything we've come to know as matter (not like a rock or a BB). Sub atomic particles do all kinds of weird things, sometimes appearing as a wave and sometimes as a particle, appearing and disappearing, able to communicate with each other and the people investigating them, making quantum jumps between orbitals inside the atom, able to pass right through "solid" matter, etc. The Universe is more bizarre than we can imagine.

Hi Michael
I've been reading your blog for awhile and thought it very interesting
but I do have a question:
While the dream like state of the afterlife seems very reasonable especially if it's a different reality, and it seems reasonable for communicators to make mistakes at least once in awhile, doesn't that leave us a bit of a problem in proving the validity of a medium or making sure that it's not his subconscious that is speaking to us?

"While the dream like state of the afterlife seems very reasonable especially if it's a different reality, and it seems reasonable for communicators to make mistakes at least once in awhile"

Vicky not sure the afterlife is a dream like state for those that cross over to another dimension but maybe a dream like state for those that are earth bound or those that have to lower their vibrational level to communicate with a medium.

The book the supreme adventure goes into a lot of detail on this you may want to purchase it on line under used books like Abe books.

My impression is that those on the other side that do make the “complete” transition to the other side such as Summerland tell us they are more awake then we are in the physical world. Look back over your life Vicky and remember events in your life and don’t they feel somewhat like a dream.

You also may want to read the book the open door by Theon Wright as to the validity of the medium as in that book the medium dies and comes back just as he was as the medium in his physical life and not as the master mind that came through him when he was in the physical world.

But you raise a good point in the book the course in miracles I always suspected that it was Helen’s subconscious that came through and not Jesus.

Art: yes we are for the most part empty space but we have something that is called a consciousness.

My qualm with those that go around saying it is all an illusion and some even go so far as to say we are nothingness and do not really exist miss the point and meaning of human life.

I believe that life has meaning and to say it is all an illusion or that we are nothingness reduces the majesty and expression of life to irrelevancy in my opinion. These kinds of statements suggest to me that they believe that life is meaningless.

And those very people that say that life is nothingness and that they don’t exist sign their name with a personal identifier and some even write books on how to be successful in life.

If you think life is an illusion go find a high mountain, jump off, and find out if the sudden stop is an illusion. Even if their souls left their bodies before they hit bottom does not mean their experiences in life were not meaningful.

Life I believe is an unfoldment process and I suspect it is how the absolute expresses itself. If indeed the infinite absolute is expressing itself I would say that life has incredible and marvelous meaning and significance.

The illusion is for one to think they are separate from the absolute. Our consciousness is capable of varying levels or degrees of perception and awareness. We must be ignorant (not know) of our true reality or the absolute could not express itself in I suspect an infinite number of expressions.

I believe it is a mistake to interpret the quotes from Crookall that Michael P has provided as being related to the earth plane environment's being illusory. What these statements speak to is a change that takes place in the consciousness of the communicators when they re-enter the "miasmas of earth." The question of the reality or non-reality of anything is not addressed.
Further, there is nothing in these quotations to lead us to think that the environment from which the communicators come is dreamlike. There are many sources in the literature that establish the exact opposite.
It is also a mistake, in my opinion, to place too much reliance on the statements of NDErs. This is like asking a brand new freshman on the doorstep of the registrar's office what college life is like. Such a person really knows very little. The same holds trude for death bed visions. I have come across quite a number of accounts, purportedly from those in the afterlife, cautioning the reader not to take what they have to say for anything other than their own opinion. Even after having been on the other side for some time cosmic truths have not been revealed to them.
To me there is a caveat behind the Crookall quotations. We reside in a region of low-frequency, muddled thinking, where certainty is hard if not impossible to come by. We ought then to proceed cautiously, eschewing sweeping statements about the nature of ultimate reality.

william says:

"Vicky not sure the afterlife is a dream like state for those that cross over to another dimension but maybe a dream like state for those that are earth bound or those that have to lower their vibrational level to communicate with a medium"".

I would look at this from a slightly different angle. Shamanic states are trance-like in nature and shamans enter these trances to communicate with other dimensions. I know for a fact that in these altered states of consciousness, the shaman claims to be able to access these other worlds and communicate with beings that inhabit them. Shamans, equate these states to dream like visionary ones and for all intents and purposes, to an outside observer, many of these shamans, look like they are either asleep or almost comatose.

Now, would it be possible that the reverse is also true? that when the inhabitants of these worlds come to talk to "us", they also need to enter trance like states to be able to enter an equally altered state?

Could it be that we can only meet through dream and that dream-like states are similar to portals that enable souls on both sides to travel?

I don't know the answer to these questions, but thought I would bring it up to see if it makes sense for anyone else.

In reading through Michael’s post, I’m again reminded of the Seth Material. At the beginning of Seth Speaks, Seth comments that “My consciousness is fairly well focused within Rubert’s (Jane Roberts) body . . . It is not just a simple matter of having this woman speak for me. There are many manipulations necessary, and psychological adjustments. We have established what I refer to as a psychological bridge between us.”

Seth goes on to describe himself as “an energy personality essence, no longer focused in physical matter.” My interpretation of this is that he’s describing himself as an advanced ‘spirit’, although he objects to that term a little earlier, saying, “if your definition of that word (spirit) implies the idea of a personality without a physical body, then I would have to agree that this description fits me.”

What is interesting here is that we have someone representing himself as what we would call ‘advanced’ describing himself only as “fairly well focused.” Seth produced a logically coherent manuscript of six-thousand pages, and is admitting from the get-go that he’s not perfectly clear. If most of the medium communications referenced above do not involve similarly advanced spirits (for lack of a better word), I would consider it reasonable to expect there to be difficulties in communication of some severity as described in Michael’s post.

I also find remarkable references to the vibratory nature of this and other realms in Autobiography of a Yogi. The resurrected Sri Yukteswar describes to Yogananda the physical, astral and causal realms of existence in detail in Chapter 43:

"The astral universe, made of various subtle vibrations of light and color, is hundreds of times larger than the material cosmos . . . In the same way that human beings live on the surface of the earth, worms inside the soil, fish in water, and birds in air, so astral beings of different grades are assigned to suitable vibratory quarters . . . Everything is vibrant with God's creative light . . . Astral desires center around enjoyment in terms of vibration . . . “

Sri Yukteswar goes on to address the “illusion” question that William and Art have been discussing as follows:

“The nearly-free beings who are encased only in the causal body see the whole universe as realizations of the dream-ideas of God . . . Causal beings realize that the physical cosmos is not primarily constructed of electrons, nor is the astral cosmos basically composed of lifetrons - both in reality are created from the minutest particles of God-thought, chopped and divided by maya, the law of relativity which intervenes to apparently separate the Noumenon from His phenomena.”

The entire text is available here:

I can’t personally recall a Self-realized master suggesting that one should test the validity of the statement that ‘all is illusion’ by dropping an anvil on one’s foot, let alone leaping off a mountain.

I tend to take the message as the understanding that arises from the experience of enlightenment across all cultures and religions. Far from implying that this existence is pointless, as William suggested earlier, it suggests to me that the purpose of existence is to personally reach the level of consciousness that allows one to realize the true nature of all existence (this realm and all others), as Dream-ideas of ‘All that Is’ in Seth’s terms, or ‘God’ in Yukteswar’s.

>The question of the reality or non-reality of anything is not addressed.

True. In fact, Crookall takes some pains to say (elsewhere in the book) that the physical world and the various spiritual dimensions are all equally real, differing only in the density of matter. In his view, even the higher spiritual realms are material to some extent, and only God or "Cosmic Consciousness" is completely immaterial and ineffable.

I believe that life has meaning and to say it is all an illusion or that we are nothingness reduces the majesty and expression of life to irrelevancy in my opinion. These kinds of statements suggest to me that they believe that life is meaningless. - william

Not at all, only that one doesn't need to take it too seriously. As in "don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all small stuff." Personally I think the soul's lessons are embedded in our everyday lives and it (the soul) learns holistically what it needs to learn whether we want it or not. We don't have to do jack squat. Duality and separation are inherent and inescapable properties of the physical universe and the soul learns what it means to be separate - regardless of what we say or how we live our lives. The soul also learns about time and space just by living in a physical universe where time and space seem to exist.

“It is also a mistake, in my opinion, to place too much reliance on the statements of NDErs.”

I spent years studying NDE’s and although I learned much that was such variation in much of what was stated. The analogy of the freshman knowing what college will be like on the first day of school is a good one.

My approach has been to study as many areas such as life after death, the paranormal, theoretical quantum physics, the universe as much as possible and look for a cross validation of information. Not a perfect plan but I felt I had to do something as there is so much what appears to be conflicting information when we study the mysteries of life.

“Far from implying that this existence is pointless, as William suggested earlier”

William never intended to suggest that existence is pointless what I meant was that those that call life an illusion or nonexistence or nothingness suggests to me that they believe life is pointless. My point I had hoped was quite the opposite that life is pointless.

This aspect of life being pointless has been the impression I have gotten from my dialog with what I refer to as the Advaita types.

Edna: I have read that for those of us that cannot get into a trance like state to connect to the other side that sometimes we can communicate or they can communicate with us from the other side in our dreams. Some call these dream states visitations.

I have no doubt there is life after death. My 18 year old died almost 5 years ago and I don't believe there's been a week that's gone by since, he doesn't remind us somehow he's still here.

It started the day he died, before we even knew he was dead. The smoke detector in our bedroom went off at daybreak. Initally, I thought nothing of it, just bad batteries, but as the day progressed the alarms went off all over the house. One in the hallway at 11am, one in the entry foyer at 2pm and the last, again in the entry foyer, at 5pm. Four total over a 12 hour period.

By the time the third one went off I was really scratching my head and when the fourth went off I was stumped and remember asking my husband how come all the smoke detectors kept going off all day?

I didn't think again about it that day because the police were at tbe door notifying us of our son's death, but two days later when we went to talk to the detective and he told us our son died at daybreak, it suddenly hit me...

The first alarm went off at daybreak, in our bedroom, at the same time our son died.

The second alarm went off in the hallway, next to the garage door, exactly when my husband came home from his weekly ritual of bowling. Only he came home 2 hours early that day because he was worried about our son.

The third alarm went off when my youngest son arrived home at 2pm from spending the night at a friend's house; shortly before he entered through the front door.

And the final, fourth alarm went off right as the police pulled up to the front of the house. That is when I asked my husband why they were all going off, only he never answered me because he was opening the door.

I could tell you stories all night. Life is so much more than we can see, than we know it is.

Thank you for listening, I enjoy your blog! Nancy

Nancy, this is fascinating. If it's not too hard for you, could you share some other stories of things you just can't explain? Anything particularly indicative of your son? I'm sorry for your loss.

William, you were clear in your earlier posts that you didn't personally consider existence pointless. I was referencing your comments that indicated that you felt those who claimed "all was illusion" were implying that.

There's no doubt that the phrase is bandied about by many who have not had the experience behind it, but are repeating the words of those who have. It gives some relevance to Lao Tzu: "Those who know, don't talk; those who talk, don't know."

All may be an illusion, but it's certainly a well constructed and very convincing illusion. I think the idea is to realize it, not just grasp it intellectually.

Michael h: I think that is my point about intellectualism. I went thru that stage in my life of making intellectual statements with my newfound knowledge. I suspect many or some of those attributes are still with me.

Then it took me time to realize that there were a lot more questions I could not answer than I had answered in my newfound knowledge.

Also there appears to be different levels of truths or comprehension. One person's truth's is another's ignorance.

The universe has a way of humbling a person if not in this life then I suspect in another life back here on earth or in another dimension.

What fascinates me is how difficult it is to see one’s own intellectualism, paradigms, and how our beliefs impact our view of the world. It appears that the most dangerous people on earth are those that feel certain that their beliefs are absolute truths.

"It appears that the most dangerous people on earth are those that feel certain that their beliefs are absolute truths."

It's often occurred to me that absolute truth may be available only to those who no longer have beliefs. The ultimate paradox . . .

these quotes were taken from a larger article that rupert recently wrote on a question someone asked of him and that was:

"What have you changed your mind about? Why?"

below is part of the article he wrote about what he has changed his mind about.

"The skepticism of believers"
"I used to think of skepticism as a primary intellectual virtue, whose goal was truth. I have changed my mind. I now see it as a weapon………………………….."

"In practice, the goal of skepticism is not the discovery of truth, but the exposure of other people's errors. It plays a useful role in science, religion, scholarship, and common sense. But we need to remember that it is a weapon serving belief or self-interest; we need to be skeptical of skeptics. The more militant the skeptic, the stronger the belief."

Rupert Sheldrake

Michael h: from my point of view beliefs are in the realm of consciousness but absolute truth/s are in the realm of pure awareness.

I highly suspect that we humans are very, very low on the scale of having absolute truths.

william, I know many will cringe at my recommendation, but there is another way to obtain a deep trance for those who have troubles doing so: a hefty dose of ayahuasca.

Last year I met a certain shaman from the amazon (I am in this path for a few years already). I attended an ayahuasca ceremony with her for the first time (my first time with her, not with ayahuasca). From the get go, she impressed me like no one else had up to that moment. In the middle of the ceremony, I realized I would ask her afterwards if she would, in the future, take me on an apprenticeship. I don't know who, but I had this vision of a spirit (through lack of a better word) who said to me, if you want to learn from her, the time is now. I asked why and this spirit said, because she is going to die soon. I didn't make much of that at the time, as I have gotten it wrong many times before. I only commented this with my partner and with a friend with whom I regularly discuss these subjects.

Lo and behold, two months later, this shaman was dead. From that moment, I knew I had tapped into something that, up to that point, I didn't quite have any certainty about.

I sure am glad I discovered these discussions. Threads like this one remind me of watching a group of people arranging a jiggsaw puzzle, and slowly a bigger picture starts to form.

Thanks John, I will post one more but there are many, many things that have happened. I'm still in complete awe and shock because I never believed in anything like this before my son died. I feel so differently now and it does give me peace in a strange, unsettling way.

I have seen my son twice since he died, the first time was 9 weeks after he passed(almost 5 years ago, you can read up by searching on "Smoky shadow guy in broad daylight" on paranormal.about) and the second time was just last month.

It was about 5am on a Thursday morning and I was drinking my morning coffee (in complete darkness of my family room, so relaxing before I go to work).. Anyway, I was daydreaming about things that needed to be done that day and my eyes scanned absent-mindedly from the back of the room toward the living room when my brain suddenly registered that there was someone standing in the doorway to my son's hallway.

So, I scanned back and there was my dead son standing in the complete darkness (only it was starting to get light outside) so I could see him perfectly. He looked humanly solid but I hate to say it, his face really scared me. He looked so white and expressionless. He just stared and never said anything, like something out of the "Dead Zone". It didn't leave me with a good feeling although I never felt scared, spooked instead.

Well the first thing I noticed was that he was wearing clothes from 7th grade when he was 11-12 years old. Solid black baggy t-shirt and black baggy jean shorts. He was also wearing a black hat. I couldn't figure out what the heck he was wearing his little boy clothes for? Something about it looked rather odd and I kept thinking "how would an 11 year old's clothing fit an 18 year old?"

It wasn't just a passing feeling. I actually had a chance to scan "up and down" several times, possibly 3 or 4. Trying to figure out what he was wearing, my eyes went up and down, up and down and then he was suddenly gone. I never saw him disappear or vanish, he was just gone. But it bugged me why he was wearing his little boy clothes. I kept wondering all week what hat he was wearing? He had two; a beret he wore when he was 11 and a Yankee's cap he wore sideways when he was 18.

It definitely looked like the beret though because it set lower on his head than the baseball cap, covered part of his forehead.

Well, later that week on Saturday morning I went into the laundry room to get started with the weekly load. I turned around and noticed a big stack of my dead son's shirts hanging on a hook. At that second, the door opened and my husband came in from the garage so I asked him what our son's shirts were in the laundry room for?

He turned to me and said "We're giving them away." I said "Oh, no we're not". But I knew instinctively that is why my son appeared to me wearing his old clothes.

Can't figure out why he would still care about them though? That really rattled me.

A couple hours later my husband came in from the back yard to show me how he had painted the BBQ. When I walked out to the corner of the yard I noticed the trailer we stored all the boys misc bike parts in over the years was empty, no more bike parts. I asked my husband were they went and he said he got rid of them.

Well, I never told him the story about seeing our son, and after the bike parts turned up missing, I went inside and cried for a good half hour (in the back room).

About half an hour later, my husband came back into the house and told me "something really strange just happened". He was outside bending over to put the lid of the bbq and this HUGE gust of wind kicked up and "blew" the wheelbarrow (which was in use, standing on edge, about 10' away) into his backside.

I said "It isn't even windy out??" He said "I know" and gave me a strange look so I told him "Don't ever move any of Slade's stuff again".

I still don't know quite what to think though. So eerie.

“I highly suspect that we humans are very, very low on the scale of having absolute truths.”

I’d certainly agree that most haven’t realized it, but I’d suggest that we all have access to absolute truth. Few realize truth because of the power of thought and our almost universal failure to understand how our minds actually work. It’s all about psychology in the end.

Sydney Banks recognized this over thirty years ago. Banks was the inspiration for Richard Carlson’s “Don’t Sweat the Small Stuff” books (among others), and the school of psychology now known as Innate Health is based on Bank’s insights. Banks website is here:

What Banks points to is disarmingly simple, and many fail to grasp it because they just don’t have enough humility to ask themselves if they really understand how their own mind operates. It all goes back to beliefs. I’d guess that maybe the greatest belief to overcome is the belief that we know what’s going on inside our own minds. Do we?

you people do realize that humans are no different than a water buffalo.

when you die and die.

there is no afterlife.

get over yourselves.

"get over yourselves."

That's good advice Alexander. Perhaps you should heed it.

Alexander: Citation? :)

As this thread has developed, the difficulties of considering and communicating our incomplete conceptualizations have come to the forefront. While we can contemplate the "illusion" of the world, we need to bear in mind that these lives of ours are yet "real" in whatever way that word functions, allowing that our experiences, our actions (and inactions) and their subsequent consequences are still of importance. If we take solace from the conviction that our lives are not all there is, the experiences we have are not diminished in their significance. Whoever said "Experience is not what happens to you, but what you DO with what happens to you" was certainly "experienced".(Sorry)

As to our intellectualizations, we all know we can't help it, though some (such as Alexander) seem to need more help than others.We can read in this thread the problems of belief and certainty and conviction, but I find myself repeatedly returning to my long term questions concerning consciousness when I ponder these problems, specifically our "conscious" and "subconscious" processes. These are divisions convenient for examining our minds, but we may be fooled by the utility.

"Absolute Truth(s)"? Materialistic reductionism would seem to fail us completely here. My own experiences and thoughts, combined with those of so many others which I've encountered, indicate that we cannot separate the process from the goal; that the process, the "good" and "bad" and everything in between, is as much the "point" (if not MORE so) as the "truth" we seek. There is so much I don't understand. Absolute Truth? Absolute Love? My curiosity sustains me.

All species survive death we are all a part of this no one is lefted out.

Alexander you seem very sure of that maybe you should do some research first on survival of consciousness and the soul after physical death and then come to an conclusion

"we cannot separate the process from the goal; that the process, the "good" and "bad" and everything in between, is as much the "point" (if not MORE so) as the "truth" we seek."

You would love the book kaizen. The secret to success in business is not only to be results oriented but also to become process oriented. Most of the world does not have a clue and continue to focus only on the results. It appears to me that even spiritual laws are in effect even when it comes to a business's success especially long-term success.

"My curiosity sustains me." I suspect what sustains you is not curiosity but interest whereas someone like Alexander greatbatch has already figured it all out. Certainty is our greatest enemy when it comes to new discoveries. Look at the history of new discoveries and how most new discoveries were rejected by those that were certain they knew these absolute truths.

“The greatest skeptic concerning paranormal phenomena is invariably the man who knows the least about them.” H.H. Price

“We need to be skeptical of skeptics. The more militant the skeptic, the stronger the belief." Rupert Sheldrake

Hi Michael P,

Just to quote the 'deceased Myers' in full:

"The nearest simile I can find to express the difficulty of sending a message is that I appear to be standing behind a sheet of frosted glass, which blurs sight and deadens sound, dicatating feebly to a reluctant and somewhat obtuse secretary."

A wonderful description IMO, and it closely parallels what Marcel has told me about his own process of 'communication'.

Kind regards,

I find the stuff about levels of conciousness that can come true very interesting - once during a sitting with a medium who went into trance i was very aware of the moment when he started being overshadowed by discarnate guides - I was aware of energy, plasma-like heat if you like rather like going into a room with strong electrical equipment. And then the effects were felt very strongly on myself - my heart beating very strongly and I felt so uncomfortable I felt like leaving right there and then - but remained seated and the discomfort passed. Were my vibrations being raised at that point?
I think Metaphysics needs to enter this kind of discussion sometimes. We talk of the material world but different states of radiation pervade the material world yet are also not part of it - we are material bodies but could we also be other types of bodies? Lower radiation has trouble penetrating thick materiality... but as you climb up you get X rays which can and Gamma rays...

The difficulties described are genuine but also somewhat exaggerated in that there are "work-arounds" and exceptions.

Case in point: Seth's "psychological adjustments." Compare his best "book dictation," for example, to some of the somewhat muddy "spirit communications" of previous eras.

(If you review the entire Seth material, the quality improves until peaking as Jane Roberts' illness begins to predominate.)

The existence of the Seth material suggests a change in the human condition as well, one that has continued; for whatever reason, "trance utterances" have become _easier_ to accomplish -- how many enter the deep trance of Edgar Cayce, for example, in 2008?

There's another factor as well, which could be described as the "connectiveness" of those involved in communication.

Certainly _everyone_ is connected, inwardly, to everyone else, but some connections are much closer than others.

With Seth, you have a larger being, of which all three participants -- Jane, her husband, and Seth -- are aspects.

Applied to any of us, consider the difference between accessing your own "entity" and allowing it to speak or write through your mind with a situation in which an unrelated non-material personality communicates through a medium to a conscious personality present -- this last is all very indirect, in a way, a bit like a slightly confused conference call.

Consider also the situation in which a "past" version (this could also be a "future" version) of you communicates through you, through your own "unconscious," you might say.

This is very different from the "somewhat obtuse secretary" quoted above.

The difficulties of translation ("filtering" or "coloring") still exist, as with communication between any two minds, but when the two minds are so intimately associated with each other these can be greatly reduced.

Imagine, say, a "future incarnation" of William James, who develops an interest in some of the same areas of psychology and philosophy as James and begins to delve into the mysteries of "spirit communication," perhaps also learning to meditate and indulge in "varieties of religious experience."

This person could create an especially clear connection with the James personality, as the two are really one, separated by differences in experience but also sharing large parts of mind, while the transcendence of time -- a feature of physical reality only -- suggests even a kind of resonance with the two physical brains, similar but functioning in two slightly varying temporal spatial coordinates.

One way to test this is to attempt to access either your own "entity" or a particular "previous" (or future) personality of your own and see what results from this collaboration.

Some writers come across their own earlier editions in exactly this way; engrossed in writing on some particular topic (of mutual interest), they enter a mild trance such that the other personality enters conscious awareness, as though a surfacing "sub-personality;" a kind of merger results. Both parties -- if not familiar with such situations -- may be quite surprised at the encounter, a peculiar two-way street.

With practice, this dual-consciousness can be maintained and developed.

(Of course the resulting style may be a bit peculiar, while some subjects of interest to the "past" personality may be, in the present time, a bit out of date. I can see no point to writing editorials about the Boer War, for example, while even if an audience existed for such thoughts they would likely be as completely skeptical of the process as that version of myself would have been.)


Bill I.

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