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It's unfortunate that incidents indicating the troubled nature of our society exist and equally unfortunate that we would choose to avert our eyes. I'm sure some of the discomfort comes from the feeling of helplessness evoked by attending such news, the specific actions of this young person underlining the premises put forth by Loren Coleman in his book The Copycat Effect. I can't help wondering if the violence could have been avoided if the boy in question (and so many others at risk to do the same) had considered some of the evidence of Life After Death which has been posted on this blog and elsewhere. Clearly his mind was already certain that there is no continuation of consciousness after bodily death, but how many certainties held in the teens and twenties manage to survive intact through a full life? People don't like to be reminded of unpleasantries, obviously, but I don't think that averting our eyes and concentrating on inanities like "Dancing With the Stars" will help.

Personally, Michael, I think you have a point, as suggested by news articles such as these:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938

I think the reason this particular series of posts makes people so uncomfortable is because it touches on a cord of truth many would rather not face. To point to the mounting problems of western civilization as it currently exists is to point to the inability of secular humanism and various other idealogies many share some affinity with to keep civilization healthy and afloat.

Within chaos lie opportunities. That is the journey of the soul.

As Emmanuel stated "where would you go to school if your planet earth were perfect".

Michael,

I fully agree. We have devolved to hedonism in the extreme. As popular author Philip Yancey puts it, the seven deadly sins might be renamed the seven seductive virtues in our society. The truth of his statement is evident when we stop to recognize how greed and envy drive our economy, how anger fuels terrorism, how lust is openly celebrated on television, how athletes and other entertainers go far beyond pride, arrogantly flaunting their prowess with various forms of exhibitionism. One has to have his head buried in the sand to not see how gluttony and sloth are rampant in our country.

We live in an era of moral decadence, a time of egocentricity, intolerance, hatred, hypocrisy, disorder, flux, strife, chaos, and fear.

My query is where are people setting their point of origin for 'devolvement'? In large part, many seem to be setting it back just 50 years IMO, in that mythical golden age of the 1950s. Any student of history can point out numerous examples from throughout history of 'hedonism', violence by youngsters, and so on. I'd rather walk down the streets of most cities today, rather than the mid 19th century. And that's despite massive population growth.

If one is going to take on the 'bad news' of the day, one should also address the 'good news' - and there is much in the modern world that is good.

There are anecdotes throughout history of people basically saying "things are going to hell in a handbasket, compared to the days of my youth". Let's learn a little from history, rather than just acting like grumpy old farts yearning for our halycon days...

Kind regards,
Greg

"We live in an era of moral decadence, a time of egocentricity, intolerance, hatred, hypocrisy, disorder, flux, strife, chaos, and fear"

Many centuries ago whole villages were put to death and even tortured horrible ways because they had committed the horrible sin of believing in reincarnation.

Since Michael has started this topic I have been sensitive to the acts of love and kindness I see around me and the acts of those people that have shown less than love and kindness.

The acts love and kindness has been at least 99 to one compared to acts of unkindness. What surprises even me is the optimism I feel for the future of the human species. Maybe because I suspect our lives are just one of many towards an evolution of consciousness towards love and intelligence.

It appears to us that this evolution of consciousness is moving at a snails pace but we judge by appearances and appearances can be very deceiving. But even snails find happiness in such little things as riding on a turtles back. Wheeee: sorry old joke but maybe new readers will enjoy it.

I smile every time I think of that snail on a turtles back yelling wheee. Life is relative; it has to be or we would not exist as perceived separate Beings.

Let's be honest, things have been pretty violent since the big bang blew us into existence.

I'm not sure whether morality is an inherent trait or an adaptive one, but what seems to be true, is that it is a fragile one.

On a side note...

Since leaving NYC and moving out to LA four years ago, I have noticed that the closer one gets to a Disney theme park, the more optimistic one gets about this universe. It may be that they are pumping the anthem "It's a small world" at a low decibel levels audible only to Britteny Spears, domesticated rodents and mediums, but I seem to be living in a state of happy denial.

Here's to illusionary insulation! ;->

Chris wrote:

"Personally, Michael, I think you have a point, as suggested by news articles such as these:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938"

Okay now, this sounds a tad bit exaggerated, no?

Sigh...I'll miss it.
-Almost Nobody

There is no doubt just look on the news all the time there is always terrible news of a student killing other students. My cat died today he was 23 years old his name is snowball my mother found him in the our shed with his paws up.

“There is no doubt just look on the news all the time there is always terrible news of a student killing other students” not sure “always” applies here.

Maybe the transition from religious fears to control society to a spiritual understanding based on love is a stage of loneliness, hostility, anger, and a general striking out at the world. It appears to me that much of this hostility is a self-hate projected on to the world.

Who knows if all the violence we see on TV and the video games are not having an impact on society and our young. Materialism of more is better may be at work here. Mental problems are treated as not to be discussed and hidden.

TV news coverage focuses on the negative. I am amazed when there is a wreck on the freeway all the cars slow down to look. Even if the wrecked cars are off to the side of the road there is a backup of traffic for miles. Maybe western civilization is being replaced by something else and it is in a self-destruct better look at me phase.

On a side note I heard yesterday that just as many former Vietnam vets have committed suicide since the war ended as died during the war. That is a huge number. One can only speculate how the Iraq war will impact our soldiers, as they are staying longer than the Vietnam vets did in the war zone.

Those numbers need to be compared to the general population to see if the Vietnam vets are a special cause of variation. Due to the draft and the length of the war a lot of people served in that war.

But ... please note that I could have kept going indefinitely

Not true, because if those are indeed examples that our civilization is coming to an end, then reason dictates civilization is not going to last... indefinitely :-)

But I understand why you chose to point those examples out. And we should never, EVER, grow used to these kind of disturbing news.

Besides America's ten thousand mile high deficit, probably the biggest problem which I see at the moment is the breakdown of long term companionate relationships between men and women, as well as the increasing numbers of psychologically unhealthy and neurotic children. Western civilization has survived hundreds of war, repressive governments, famine, and the Black Death, but when people are unable to come together and raise healthy families, everything goes (and no I'm not conservative BTW).

Also, when you combine falling, below replacement level birthrates with massive immigration, its easy to see how we could be eventually overrun within the next couple generations.

"Western civilization has survived hundreds of war, repressive governments, famine, and the Black Death, but when people are unable to come together and raise healthy families, everything goes (and no I'm not conservative BTW).

Also, when you combine falling, below replacement level birthrates with massive immigration, its easy to see how we could be eventually overrun within the next couple generations."

This sure sounds like something that would come from the Heritage Foundation.

Life long partners may be a thing of the past. Maybe some souls are on some kind of fast track. Much we do know and we base our analysis on social conditioning and past history.

The birthrate in the world is falling drastically in all but a couple of countries. As population becomes a problem birthrate’s I suspect will continue to fall.

I wonder if we should be looking more towards the evolution of the souls then the human species.

It would be nice if those intelligent Beings in those ufo's would come down and elighten us as I suspect their planet had to go through similar struggles as we on earth.

But I suspect they do not want to tamper with us. Really who in this world takes advice?

One interesting side note I have read that at one nuclear missile silo the codes were changed the very same night a ufo was spotted. Maybe they do tamper more than we realize?

"Life long partners may be a thing of the past."

That's why I said long term.

Some cultures have had vastly different family structures from our own. Here are two examples (both of which have a more matrifocal setup):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minangkabau

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo

The important thing is that there exists some sort of vehicle for allowing people to form relationships and raise children with some degree of emotional stability.

"The birthrate in the world is falling drastically in all but a couple of countries. As population becomes a problem birthrate’s I suspect will continue to fall."
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There is just no way the Earth can comfortably sustain 7 Billion humans. With the advent of peak oil the price of energy is going to continue to rise and right along with the price of food. The huge population increases of the 20th Century are directly attributable to cheap energy in the form of oil, and now that we've used up about half of the world's reserves, and with increasing demand from China and India, the only answer is a significant decrease in population. Or, "then a miracle occurs." - Art

Before I sleep at night I thank God that I live in a great country and not some where else, The USA is the product of the best in human nature--because our forefounders had to escape persecution which is now called terroism in other countries except Australia and remote countries. I think we have learned to respect that. Because their is a protensity for human nature to look for weaknesses in their neighbors which history has always revealed by wars to overcome and conquer, its a fault that begins in us from the earliest times, we shouldn,t forget those lessons why we are HERE today living among such diversity and remakedly ajusting and adapting. As we grow and accept the future..with distresses of learning yet to Still adjust to ..More..our survival with its ability to live will win the day, what will be will be.

LucyJane

“The USA is the product of the best in human nature”

Interesting take on America. I seem to agree with gunnels one of my favorite authors when he stated the following:

"A nation that spends more year after year on military offense (and I mean offense) than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death". (Gunnels)

With all the problems we are having in America is karma trying to tell us something?

We (the United States) are using up our resources at a prodigious rate, and like my momma used to say, "When it's gone, it's gone." That is of course unless you believe in "then a miracle occurs." We live in interesting times. - Art

Does wealth always lead to arrogance? Does arrogance lead to decline in wealth? Don’t most countries decline from within? Does anything not based in love like greed and misuse of power cause a country to self-destruct to some form of fascism?

Does karma really exist? It appears to but appearances can be deceiving.

I stand by my statement that the USA is the best. Of course you will note that I also stated that we are constantly evolving, against what? competition of course which spares not what we have learned from our forefathers, and lends to what is a heredity factor in human nature, that is the 'best' ourselves at someone's expense. back in the Roman Era, they were the superior super power and their path led to idea or idealogy of needing no more challenge. We all know what happened next. They were overtaken like ripe grapes for harvest. We being a super power on the ege of the same course of change, must exert our creative output or the sciences to have necessary means in tecnology to meet any threat from any indicator or sector that would seize our strength in the struggle for dominance in the world. wars are never going away, but we can at least show our will hasn,t faltered..by the decandence in the inner populous.while it isn,t a pretty picture it nevertheless has a definite relationship to existence and to all things.
we have alot of things in the *tool* box and a good card player ,never reveals his hand (sly-smile.)

Here's some a girl named josie said when i mention that the Newspaper Tests are strong evidence for life after death

"Some of the tests were inconclusive and a few were failures, but there were many more positive results."


Josie :and this is when I declared this experiment inconclusive overall.

Here's what bones said about it


Bones: These experiments are far from "proof positive". What are the chances that the conductor of the experiments invented the claims. Can we say for certain he didn't? You are trusting the impartiality of someone who you don't know and we have no structured set of results for their findings. I could post a blog saying that on Sept. 9th my spirit medium warned me about Sept. 11th...but could I prove it? No. Just as in this case..the only validation was through the conductor of the experiments. He checked with the papers and said "Yep..same thing as the experiment."

Regardless if his findings are sincere or not.."proof" is a word that is tossed around like a hooker at a frat party. This is NOT PROOF.

Hi Michael what is your response to this?

Leo wrote:
Here's Professor Sir William Barett a professor of physics comments about the newspaper tests there is a book to you can read on them on amazon


http://metgat.zaadz.com/blog/2007/5/proof_positive_of_spirit_communication

http://www.amazon.com/Some-New-Evidence-Human-Survival/dp/0766181251/ref=sr_1_1/104-5577995-4249518?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186002737&sr=1-1


Bones your saying that the experiments are far from proof positive because we have to go on his word that they are it's like because we weren't there there must have not been any positive results if that is the case i could say that about other experiments in natural sciences the only difference really is the media news stories when something happens in science.

May i add too charles drayton is a scientist so is sir william barett plus many other eyewitnesses that would testify that the experiments were genuine.

Bones: Many eyewitnesses can also testify that David Copperfield flew over a crowd...doesn't mean that he did.

Leo: "i could say that about other experiments in natural sciences"

Bones: No you couldn't. Even though we weren't there physically when, say, Einstein developed his theory of relativity..his figures are there and can be verified QUANTITATIVELY. These findings cannot be verified in such a manner. Without the ability to verify we are left with what I said we were....no substantiated proof whatsoever.

This is from the site which you provided:

"Like Barrett, Thomas was a member of the British Society for Psychical Research (SPR). His experiments, along with those of Barrett, were conducted with Gladys Osborne Leonard, the renowned British medium. “The primary purpose of these efforts was said [by my father] to be a demonstration that spirit people were able to do that for which telepathy from human minds could not account, a demonstration calculated to clarify the evidence already existing for the authorship of their communication, ” Thomas wrote in 1922."

Bones: Do you know anything about the spiritualist movement in the 1920's? Spiritualism, which began its heyday in the mid to late 19th century was beginning to wane by the 20's. Groups like the SPR were trying to salvage scientific evidence to continue the movement. Why? Money...fame..etc. A lot of people had a lot invested in this movement and it had made many, not only very rich, but known throughout the world. It is this desperate environment in which these "scientists" conducted their experiments. Just read the selection I've pasted above. What can we gather from it?:

1.) Barrett and Thomas were far from not being bias. They likely had much to gain from finding for "proof" of an afterlife. Book deals, world tours..etc. The era of Spiritualism is loaded with stories such as this.

2.) This sentence stood out for me the most, proving my previous point: "The primary purpose of these efforts was said [by my father] to be a demonstration that spirit people were able to do that for which telepathy from human minds could not account, a demonstration calculated to clarify the evidence already existing for the authorship of their communication, ”

They set out to prove! They had a clear desired end result. That is bias by it's very definition. They had no intent of coming up with a different outcome.

Don't feel bad though Leo, about a hundred years ago hundreds of thousands were taken in by the same frauds.

>Hi Michael what is your response to this?

My response is a) it's a waste of time to argue with diehard skeptics, and b) "bones" doesn't know what he's talking about.

To elaborate on "b," neither Drayton Thomas nor William Barrett made any effort to get rich off their work. And the SPR was known for its skeptical attitude. If anything, SPR investigators like Frank Podmore and Richard Hodgson were overly skeptical. See Deborah Blum's book Ghost Hunters for details. (Blum is a Pulitzer Prize winning science writer.)

The SPR was not trying to continue the spiritualist movement. In fact, there was a rift between spritualists and the SPR precisely because SPR investigators had exposed so many mediums as fakes. And the SPR refused to work with any mediums who accepted money for their services, which let out most of the spiritualist-approved mediums anyway.

As for Bones' idea of proof, it is completely inapplicable to the social sciences - and remember, we're talking about parapsychology. Proof or evidence in the social sciences cannot be established the same way that it can be in, say, physics. It relies on observations of behavior, and behavior is never 100% predictable or 100% replicable.

I have rarely encountered such poor arguments from any skeptic. In fact, Bones' arguments are so bad that I think I will make this a separate post when I have the chance.

I urge you not to waste your time arguing with such people.

Thankyou Michael and this time I did not copy any of your comments that is completely wrong to do. Also your right it obviously is getting me nowhere's at all plus it wastes valuable time.

“We being a super power on the ege of the same course of change, must exert our creative output or the sciences to have necessary means in tecnology to meet any threat from any indicator or sector that would seize our strength in the struggle for dominance in the world”

Superpowers become bullies and have a mentality of might makes right. Bullies are always beaten or self-destruct from within. As they say it is in the cards. Those cards being universal/spiritual laws or principles.

Superpowers are not based in love but fear, power, and greed. Fear, power, and greed always self-destruct or are destroyed by another superpower. Anything not based in love and intelligence is doomed for failure.

Jesus said something to the effect that the meek shall inherit the earth. That statement eluded me for most of my life. Now I see at least intellectually that statement was a very profound statement and has an understanding of soul evolution the very best.

Superpowers are anything but meek. Jesus stated this at a time when Rome not only was a superpower but also was in control of the known world. The Jews and Romans must have thought the man was insane for making such a statement.

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