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"If, then, the material universe is this representation of a deeper and more fundamental Reality,"
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Very similar to Bohm's holographic universe. Almost exact same wording.

Your last two sentences in this posting echo especially loudly for me. You are right to note that, as Theon speculates, there may well be no distinction between the subconscious and higher spiritual entities "outside" of ourselves, inasmuch as the distinction made would miss the point of the connection. In my own experience, I made a conscious choice to attend what my subconscious was placing into my attention, whether it was the involuntary images of my paintings or the precognitive and/or commentating nature of my dreams. As an example, I recently was musing on how people will often use "wishes" as a emphasizing note to themselves about their desires, good or bad, and I casually "wished" I had a visual symbol I could use in paintings to deal with the theme of "wishes", these thoughts coming as I was settling in for sleep. When I awoke later, I was presented with the symbol I could use, with an attached wry comment to the effect of "now doesn't that seem OBVIOUS". As always, I asked myself "where" this material comes from, and have long entertained the notion of a version of Jung's Collective Unconscious as a source AND as a similar concept equivalent to non-locality and holographic "higher" states. It is one of the personal reasons I am so interested in consciousness studies: seeking insight into my own subjective experiences.

Here's a reply to a post I made about spring forest qigong over at taobums.com (the couple typos are not mine):

Thanks for sharing the info. I have been practicing Spring Forest for a month and results are truly noticeable. My first experience with energy was while traveling on a plane fromIndia to LA when I met an Indian Master (http://kamakshi16.tripod.com) who practiced Traditional Tantra. I developed sickness and this guy placed his hands on my stomach. The pain disappeared in a while followed by sensations of deep fiery energy splashing in my spine. The bliss was overpowering though. Unfortunately I could not get in touch with him again. But the sensations continued to occur repeatedly and one night in a dream, the same person appeared and advised me to learn Chi Kung. I was wondering what it was when a neighbor told me she was taking a Chi Kung workshop by Master Chunyi Lin. Chunyi diagnosed the problem as Kundalini awakening and told me if was a powerful shaktipat that had happened to me and gave me specific exercises to balance energy. In a week, the unbearable energy was gone and calmness came back.

This new interview with Dr. Bradford Keeney gives excellent meditation secrets.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/161/story_16144_1.html

Michael thanks for taking the time to read this book. For me the messages are profound and with each reading I gain new insights.

One correction I think. I don’t think the intelligence that came through ever referred to itself as a master. That was a name the Wrights gave this intelligence. This intelligence only signed with a symbol.

Also I was hoping the ending which I don’t want to give away would have suggested to you that this "master mind" was not the subconscious of George Wright.

You did pick out very important messages to quote thank you for that. One question I have for anyone that reads the book is this "the master states several lessons it taught in these messages and one was the nonexistence of evil. This is a profound statement and my research bears this out. But where in the book does this intelligence teach or explain the nonexistence of evil? If anyone finds it a page number would be helpful.

Thanks again for taking the time to read this book. Now I have another book: just kidding kind of.

>I don’t think the intelligence that came through ever referred to itself as a master. That was a name the Wrights gave this intelligence. This intelligence only signed with a symbol.

You're right. The Master was their name for the entity.

>where in the book does this intelligence teach or explain the nonexistence of evil?

I didn't find any specific teaching to that effect, although perhaps it is implied in the idea that each being is playing its part in the ongoing evolution of Cosmic Consciousness. But I agree that this point was not made very clearly, yet the author seemed to think that it had been.

>Now I have another book: just kidding kind of.

Feel free to recommend another, though it may be a while before I get to it. I enjoyed The Open Door and got something valuable out of it.

I don't see anything trite about these extracts. Of course, the judgmental mind looks at them and says "that's too simple" and then goes off on a series of thoughts about why "there has to be something more".

That's just what the mind does. But sooner or later we learn that the mind is not capable of understanding the depth of life, which can only be experienced, not analyzed.

"Feel free to recommend another, though it may be a while before I get to it. I enjoyed The Open Door and got something valuable out of it"

Dr Hora’s books and teachings can be found on the website: http://pagl.org/
May want to start with his book: “beyond the dream”. As a psychiatrist he spent his life studying states of consciousness as they applied to physical and mental healing.

Thanks for the comments on the open door. As far as another book the one I was going to recommend is not available as it was a self-published book. I have been unable to find another copy of gunnels book. He only published 1000 books and I was lucky enough to find one at a local used bookstore.

Without gunnels book I don’t think I would have ever been able to connect the dots between innocence and ignorance as a necessity for formlessness to manifest infinite forms. (i.e. us)

If anyone finds on the net or bookstore this book please let me know. The full title is “ the evolution of the soul” with a subtitle of “the theory that all of creation is relative”. Would love to have another copy to share with others.

After about 60 readings of this book it came to me the necessity of ignorance (i.e. not knowing) for creation/manifestation to occur. Why 60 readings? Many books I read over and over but this small book “something” kept telling me to read it. Who or what that something is or was; your guess is as good as mine. I mean “it” would not let up. Won’t go any farther with this or I will be judged worthy of the loony bin if I have not already. I had already connected the dots between ignorance and suffering with my research into Buddhism, Hinduism and Dr Hora’s books.

It is of interest to me that I have not been able to pass this discovery on to one other human being. The key to this discovery was a revelation I had had on variation over ten years prior to that discovery that I mistakenly thought applied only to my consulting knowledge. Once I connected that revelation on variation to gunnels statement over and over in his book “the theory that all of creation is relative. It hit me like a ton of bricks. So simple, but so profound.

So for all of you out there that cannot get published might want to self publish, as without gunnels book I don’t know if I ever would have made that discovery. Thank you gunnels for taking the time and money to self publish.

Well, thanks for that, Michael.

(Now maybe I will finish the other Open Door by the other Wright, the wrong Wright (this is a tale set outside of Philadelphia in 1914 or so, the heroine, Kitty Flint, the last survivor of a family descended from a fellow converted to Quakerism by William Penn.)

Per Seth, there are no accidents; maybe my discovery of this scanned on-line (and very obscure) novel while searching Google for the right Open Door is connected by the silence practiced by the Quakers.

Bill I.

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