(This is a continuation of the post begun below. As before, all emphases in bold are added by me.)
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How easy is it for a claimant to apply for James Randi's vaunted million dollar prize? According to The JREF Million Dollar Challenge FAQ, not easy at all. Section 4.4 of the FAQ reads:
An application made by an earnest applicant may take 1-6 months to handle, considering the refining of the application wording and the mutual negotiation of a mutually acceptable preliminary test. It should not take longer than a few weeks, ideally, so long as an acceptable test is quickly agreed upon. However, securing a team of qualified observers is not always an easy thing to do, so the time that lapses between your claim submission and the actual test can be several months, or even longer.
Such long delays must discourage a lot of people. In his Personal FAQ at the end of the above-linked document, Randi seems to concede as much:
Many hundreds have applied, and most have had to be instructed to reapply — sometimes several times — because they did it incorrectly or incompletely. There are, at any given time, about 40 to 60 applicants being considered, but from experience we know that the vast majority will drop out even before any proper preliminary test can be designed. Of those who get to the preliminary stage, perhaps a third will actually be tested, and some of those will quit before completion.
Hundreds have applied ... often several times because of problems with the paperwork. But "the vast majority" drop out even "before any proper preliminary test can be designed." And even most of those who make it to the preliminary test don't actually get tested - only "perhaps a third."
So what kind of numbers are we talking about? Section 1.3 reports:
Between 1964 and 1982, Randi declared that over 650 people had applied [3]. Between 1997 and February 15, 2005, there had been a total of 360 official, notarized applications.
It's not clear what happened between 1982 and 1997, but in the 26 years covered, 1,010 people applied. Whether all these applications were accepted is a different issue, one that's not taken up in the FAQ.
Who are these applicants and what became of them? Section 4.7 addresses this question. In response to the question, "Where can I find a list of all the people who have ever applied?" the FAQ states:
Since the Challenge has been going on since before the World Wide Web gained in popularity, no such list exists online. The JREF has limited resources, so most of the applications are maintained in a file cabinet at the JREF headquarters. In other words, if you want a lot of details about the former applicants, you are going to have to visit the JREF and do your own research.
However, the JREF forum also contains a CHALLENGE APPLICATIONS section that describes in detail the claims received, the correspondences exchanged between the JREF and the applicant, and subsequent protocol negotiations and test results.
I'm not sure why the fact that the challenge predates the popularity of the Web is relevant. A great deal of the data on the Web predates the Web itself. Those data have simply been uploaded to Web servers. JREF prefers to keep its data in file cabinets, presumably where few people can see them. If I were a skeptic, I might be skeptical about this.
It appears, then, that the application process can extend for many months, with the applicant told to resubmit his paperwork (often including notarized documents) again and again. No lists of applicants and outcomes are readily available. Randi himself is vague about the number of people who have been tested (as contrasted with the number who have applied). It's also unclear whether all 1,010 applicants between 1964-1982 and 1997-early 2005 were actually accepted, or whether some, or even most, of the applications were rejected.
For a look at the slow-as-molasses "progress" (if that's the word) of one candidate's application, readers can go to Peter Morris's Web site. Here we see that correspondence between the applicant and James Randi began on March 6, 2004. Correspondence relating to the application itself began on August 31, 2006, and the application was mailed on September 11, 2006. On October 16, 2006, Randi acknowledged receipt of the application. As of November 3, 2006, the applicant and Randi were still arguing about whether or not the claim would be tested.
Remember also that some applicants are rejected out of hand. An example is provided on Richard Milton's Web site. Someone named Rico Kolodzey tried to apply for the challenge, claiming he could survive without food for an indefinite period. In his reply, Randi simply dismissed the claim as preposterous:
Please don't treat us like children. We only respond to responsible claims....
If this is actually your claim, you're a liar and a fraud. We are not interested in pursuing this further, nor will we exchange correspondence with you on the matter.
The one thing that stands out here, beyond the obvious difficulty of getting an application approved in the first place, is the disparity between the number of people who successfully apply and the number who are actually tested. Do all these claimants drop out voluntarily even after going to the trouble of applying, or are there other factors involved?
We'll look at that question and wrap things up in part three.
Some information relevant to your points above:
1) Peter Morris and Randi are arguing over whether Peter's claim is actually paranormal or not. The definition of "underground river" figures prominently. As Mr. Morris does not actually claim a paranormal ability, but is simply attempting to catch Mr. Randi in a semantic error, expect that application to be rejected. I have no inside information, that is just my opinion.
2) Mr. Randi has recently stated that he is in negotiations with Mr. Kolodzey in an effort to come up with a suitable method of testing him. In his case, it is difficult, because the true proof that Mr. Kolodzey's claims are untrue would require the JREF to starve him to death, which they are, understandably, reluctant to do.
Posted by: Paul | December 11, 2006 at 05:13 PM
Utterly wrong. This is not an argument about semantics, but about facts. I state that underground rivers exist. Randi says they do not, and that belief in them is a "delusion." There is no argument at all about the definition of "underground river," the debate is whether they exist at all.
As for it not being paranormal, that's perfectly true, but it doesn't matter. Plenty of people that Randi challenge say their claim isn't paranormal. Randi tells them to apply anyway, and as long as they prove their claim true, they will win.
So, Randi stated his own disbelief in my claim and directly dared me to prove it true. I have accepted the dare he issued.And the fact that it's not paranormal is Randi's problem, not mine. The fact is that he an utterly ill-informed fool who simply doesn't know what he's talking about most of the time. If he were worth listening to, he wouldn't have issued the challenge in the first place. But he did, and under the challenge rules, I am entitled to accept.
If he refuses to actually honour the dare that he issued, then it will prove him to be a coward as well.
(Thanks for the link, Michael)
Posted by: Peter Morris | December 11, 2006 at 11:28 PM
Yes, Peter, we have argued this ad nauseum at the forum. You are still wrong in the way you describe the challenge, and your claim should be summarily dismissed as no more than rabid hyperbole. Mr. Randi is too busy arranging tests for people who are applying in earnest to bother with your misdirections and vitriol.
Posted by: Paul | December 12, 2006 at 01:43 PM
Actually, I've complied to the letter to conditions that Randi himself set. You have not actually answered that.
Posted by: Peter Morris | December 12, 2006 at 05:49 PM