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"Wow! You’ve got some work to do. You could be missing some of life's greatest enjoyments."

Undoubtedly. But I'm afraid there's no work I can do. I come from a very unmusical family. Whatever genetic endowment makes it possible to hear and appreciate serious music is not part of my makeup. These days I don't even listen to pop music very much, though I used to.

C'est la vie!

Interesting post, but...If I'm understanding this correctly, Michael is theorizing that Paul had an encounter with his "immortal higher self," and cosmic consciousness. I don't see that as impossible, but, on the other hand, it's just as incredible as Jesus' miracles, and requires the same faith. And while many NDErs state that they met Jesus, have any claim that they encountered their higher self? And while I read most of the Seth books, I still remain unconvinced of the higher self. I can easily accept the idea of a human conscience - the part of oneself that does the least harm to others and most beneficial things for others, but I don't think I can believe in a separate Higher Self entity altogether.

Also, when I did have an NDE related to a head injury, I didn't encounter a higher self, but instead a deceased loved one. That doesn't really prove much either way, either, but I'll probably personally go on that.

These are just my thoughts, of course,and are certainly not definitive in any way.

Kathleen said:

"but I don't think I can believe in a separate Higher Self entity altogether.

Also, when I did have an NDE related to a head injury, I didn't encounter a higher self, but instead a deceased loved one."

Kathleen, here's another way to think about this.

When I envision my higher self, I don't picture an entity that's separate from me. Though I understand it's often symbolized or embodied in that manner in mystical experiences.

Typically, during a profound spiritual event, people will experience themselves as more loving, more at peace, and more connected with others. (Sometimes even all-knowing and at one with all of creation.) As I see it, to experience this *state of being* is to experience the higher self.

So the question is: does any part of that describe what happened for you? If so, you may have more familiarity with the higher self than you think.

Bruce, no, not really, but my NDE was very brief (I'm still not 100% sure it was one; but the experience was very much like one, and odd that I met a deceased loved one like so many other NDErs describe).

Wouldn't the Higher Self be something like you or me, when we're not distressed, tired, hungry, etc.? Most people are kind, compassionate, loving, etc. when all is well with them; this to me would be their Higher Self.

Then again, the worst conditions seem to bring out the best in some people, affording them courage and fortitude. While the best conditions can make some people smug and self-satisfied.

Perhaps the Higher Self is really "us" without our human failings and identification with our bodies and material existence.

"what really matters is the eternal spiritual reality accessed by a man who never knew Jesus in the flesh"

That men who "never knew Jesus in the flesh" can access "eternal spiritual reality" is getting pretty close to explaining the explosive burst of Christianity in the world it would seem to me.

Kathleen said:

"Perhaps the Higher Self is really "us" without our human failings and identification with our bodies and material existence."

Yes, that's my impression. And since, in the largest sense, I see the cosmos as one vast being and all subdivisions as temporary, I don't find any way of truly separating my higher self from yours. It just depends on what level of reality—or degree of oneness—I'm trying to describe.

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