IMG_0569
Blog powered by Typepad

« What are the chances? | Main | Life after birth? »

Comments

A couple of years ago I read one of the best-sellers in this genre, "Heaven is for Real: A Little Boy's Astounding Story of His Trip to Heaven and Back",
by Todd Burpo, Sonja Burpo, Colton Burpo.

A Kindle version is inexpensive. Quite readable. "Important if true."

The blurb-quotes in this book included endorsements from ministers who'd been put off by the unorthodoxy of other NDE-encounters with heaven and Jesus.

Yes, my thoughts exactly Michael. Only this young man knows the truth or lack of it in his account of his 'trip to heaven'. I hope that this disabled boy has not been manipulated by the adults around him. If that were true, then that would be the real sad story. - AOD

I heard about this in the media and came here to see if you had commented. As you know, a lot of fundamentalist Christians don't like NDE stories because of the reasons stated here. I had heard of this book and always suspected that it was somehow manipulated to prove Christian doctrine, instead of just relating an amazing experience. That the boy now is recanting, confirms those suspicions to me. I don't think it casts any pall over other NDEs at all. The vast majority of NDEers aren't trying to make a buck in the Christian book market.

"Any way you look at it, this is a sad story."

It really is, Michael. Reminds me a little of the table-rapping Fox sisters and their (dubious) confession.

But hey, I've got the antidote, something I just ran into yesterday -- the kind of story that's guaranteed to make us all feel good about kids and their spiritual adventures once again.

http://www.childpastlives.org/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=16073

It's a discussion on Carol Bowman's Past Lives Forum of a young boy apparently remembering a life as a fireman killed in the 9/11 tragedy. And it's got all the good stuff that's missing from the story in your post: a mother and son exploring--as a team--his many amazingly detailed recollections.

In this instance, there's no religious agenda (that I can see), and no question that the mother's prime objective is simply to support her son's spiritual and emotional development. The whole case unfolds beautifully under the experienced and caring eye of Carol Bowman herself.

I particularly like the parts where a retired fireman joins the discussion and corroborates the likelihood of the boy's claims being true, one after another.

No malarkey here!

Thanks for the link, Bruce!

Here's something I mentioned on Facebook and should have included in this post: These hyped agenda-driven NDEs have always seemed less meaningful to me than the low-profile ones that are discovered only by careful research.

The first link I saw today was from "the friendly atheist" blog. Wrapped up by the requisite shot at Eban Alexander and all the rest of the "phony" NDE accounts. Sigh. Of course the Pam Reynolds case and the work of Ian Stevenson and even Sam Parnia will somehow be connected by the Uber skeptics. On the other side the pro NDE "believers" will be sure to blame the fundies who'll of course blame Satan. :-P Reminds me (for some odd reason) of a cartoon caricature I saw years ago. A smiling horned devil workng at a desk with a motto or desk sign. The sign read "Damn it All." :-P

I think I confused this book with the one Roger Knights mentions. Anyway, it doesn't change my thoughts. I don't like it when people try to use NDEs to promote their particular religious views. However, I try to keep an open mind about peoples deeply felt stories. Who am I to say what they experienced wasn't true.

Like Michael, I never heard of this book before; when I saw the headline on Yahoo about this story, I thought for sure it was for "Heaven is for Real." I do give the boy a lot of credit for admitting that he made it up, but it makes me wonder how many other Christian-oriented NDE's are made up or embellished.

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I've sometimes pondered if some Christians, upset, angry, or afraid of the recent surge of spiritual-but-not-religious material are trying to counter it by making up NDE's that promote their beliefs. Or, if a family member has an NDE experience, they might decide it's for the greater good to embellish it in the hopes of countering Satan's lies (or something similar). Kevin Williams did an excellent critique of one such account here (http://www.near-death.com/experiences/articles008.html).

Still, I think you're right Michael, in that we should remember that there were NDE's before the greater awareness of them following "Life After Life." There are bound to be frauds and fabrications in any type of phenomena, research, and field, and NDE's are no exception, nor do those frauds discount the events themselves: while there may be snake-oil salesmen, that doesn't mean that the field of medicine itself is a fraud.

There must be plenty of NDEs that are just hoaxes to get attention, but also there must be A LOT of authentic ones, and I'm sure the most meaningful ones are of the latter.

To me, this doesn't seem like a big loss in the world of afterlife stories: I never liked accounts that seemed to be serving some kind of religious agenda.

Just about the only "Christian NDE" book I've read is Don Piper's 90 Minutes in Heaven. Piper describes a stereotypical heaven with streets of gold, pearlescent gates, and choirs of angelic voices. It could well be what he experienced, since it would match his expectations as a devout Christian.

One amusing thing about his book is that, while he naturally defends the reality of his own NDE, he expresses skepticism about most other NDEs, because they are "not Biblical." He seems to think that only his NDE was real, while the others are dubious and possibly satanic.

I guess Betty Eadie's Embraced by the Light also qualifies as a Christian NDE book. I did read it, but have little memory of it. Otherwise, I've focused mainly on NDEs that seemingly transcend doctrinal lines.

"Since 2012 Alex's mother, Beth, has refuted the claims in the book and has used her personal blog to publish on the issue.

Her blog reads "I am NOT involved with, or desire to be connected with, the book titled The Boy Who Came Back From Heaven. Yes, I am the mom of Alex Malarkey who is NOT an author, nor does he have or has he ever had an agent!

In a December 2012 post Ms Malarkey expressed her frustration at the book and what she said were false claims.

"Please...he is just a boy not a statue to be worshipped or person with some supernatural gifts," she said.

"He does not go to heaven, have conversations with supernatural beings, and whatever visions/experiences he has had or had not had, is up to him as to what he will do with those."

Beth is no longer married to Alex's father, Kevin. It is reported that the book contract with publisher Tyndale House was with Kevin alone and not with Alex or his mother".

Who knows, there is an agenda here I think. Certainly some dominance in the mother's religious ideology. Lyn x.

Is she admitting he may have had some -visions/experiences?

"He does not go to heaven, have conversations with supernatural beings, and whatever visions/experiences he has had or had not had, is up to him as to what he will do with those."

http://www.smh.com.au/world/alex-malarkey-author-of-the-boy-who-came-back-from-heaven-says-he-made-up-story-20150116-12sa3j.html

Lyn x.

I'm pretty sure that Don Piper experienced what he describes, as any other *legitimate* NDEr does. We create and experience what we wish in the afterlife realm, that doesn't make other people's experiences any less valid.

BTW, I just noticed that it reads "a true story" in the book cover, how ironic! :P

For a moment, I thought it was the book that the movie Heaven Is For Real is based on... until I double checked at the Daily Grail and realized that was a different NE account (though a similar situation featuring a boy who had a near death experience). However, the fact that these two account are similar (not helped by the premise and title) is going to create confusion and distortion with the media, and paint everything related with a large brushstroke.

I was thinking today of Alex Malarkey's experience- It seems to mirror those of many children who have had near death experiences, in that when they are older, they fail to remember at all. Is that the case here, and that now he is older he cannot reconcile this with his current religious beliefs.

I know from my experience, when I was five I got the english measles, and I was so ill I was bed ridden for about 2 weeks. The doctor wanted to put me in hospital, but felt my mother would be able to take care of me. Now a couple of years a go I went to a spiritualist and she said her guide told her that I nearly died when young, and that the spirits were so sure that I would, that they had all gathered to meet me.

In retrospect, I don't find this surprising. But I have only one memory - of standing in front of a mirror and crying as it must have been the first time I stood up to see that I was covered from head to toe in spots. i do remember though, feeling very weak, as if it was difficult to stand up. And after that there was a time that I passed out, sometimes three times a day. So much so, that they did a brain scan on me, to see if I had a brain tumour.

So I think she is probably right. Now if you asked me as a child, I could probably tell you the whole experience. But as an adult, these are all the memories I have left. Memories fade, as they have been shown to in other children who have had NDE'S, so I doubt he will remember that time clearly anyway. Lyn x.

Unfortunately the biased media is taking this story and running with it. It is already spreading over several internet sites. Something about this boy's statement doesn't ring true though. It sounds to me rather as a statement that his mother might make to support her own religious convictions and probably to retaliate against her ex-husband. (The publisher pulled the book thereby reducing or eliminating any money going to the ex-husband.) Of course I don't know this young man or his family but his statement just seems too 'canned', as if someone else wrote it for him. There is a certain plea for sympathy in "because of my limitations" his statement must be kept brief, that is, he is not going to explain anything in detail giving evidence. What would have made a 6-year-old disabled boy recovering from an automobile accident seek more attention? I surmise that he was getting a lot of attention without this story. And then, he gets a little preachy advising everyone to read the Bible as the only source of truth and that anything written by man may not be true. There is a certain contriteness or apology in it when he says that he had never read the Bible when he made his claims. (Otherwise he would have known better!) Here is the quote:

"Please forgive the brevity, but because of my limitations I have to keep this short. … I said I went to heaven because I thought it would get me attention. When I made the claims that I did, I had never read the Bible. People have profited from lies, and continue to. They should read the Bible, which is enough. The Bible is the only source of truth. Anything written by man cannot be infallible."

Apparently the "people" who have profited from the "lies" are her ex-husband and the publisher---not her. I don't know though. It's just my 'sixth-sense'.- AOD

I had a feeling right off the bat that the father put this poor boy up to it, in order to make lots of bank, which he did. There was no way I'd bother reading.

Anyone sincerely interested in researching NDEs should read the two Moody and Sabom books Michael referred to. What is key is that none of the NDE respondents were PAID for recounting their experiences.

It's a shame that the credibility of NDEs will be set back because of one greedy father exploiting his own son.

Something of a non sequitur: have you seen this, Michael? If not I think it might interest you:

http://truththeory.com/2014/12/14/sting-shares-about-his-eye-opening-psychedelic-ayahuasca-experience/

Julie said:

"Something of a non sequitur: have you seen this, Michael? If not I think it might interest you:"

Actually, probably me more than Michael, Julie. Michael's not yet convinced that ayahuasca can provide what Sting says it gave him: "direct access to the godhead."

Having tried the stuff myself, I'm with Sting. :) (Though I came to prefer mushrooms, for the same purpose, during my journeying days.)

I love that he says "this is the only genuine religious experience I've ever had."

Thanks for posting!

If Alex is indeed deeply religious, and has recanted his story under pressure from his church, then Alex has told a lie and lying is a sin according to his religious beliefs. Church leaders would label themselves as hipocryts, at least in the eyes of Alex and his mom if they pressured him to lie in order to discredit near death phenomena. I lean toward believing Alex now than when he made those claims as a 6 year old.

It was the experience itself that Sting had that I found fascinating, not so much the source of its initiation, Bruce. I started reading Michael's book 'Chasing Omega' and had just read the part where Dan puts on the visor. It was only minutes after that I, by sheer coincidence, came upon the Sting clip.

Yes, Michael, this story is multidimensionally sad!

In his recantation, one can readily imagine the gun to his head. Not much of a sales pitch for Biblical Christianity...

Skeptics always blast away at things like this as though fraud and hucksterism are especially prevalent in the paranormal area. I don't think it's much different than anything else. If there is demand for something, then someone will put out a downgraded or fake version of that thing. To complicate matters, sincere but incompetent people will also put out misbegotten versions of the thing.

There are wholly real psychics, totally fake psychics, part-real part-fake psychics, and sincere but totally incompetent psychics.

Similarly there are business consultants with varying levels of ability and sincerity.

And so on and so forth.

This Malarkey story really interests me. There's something about this that I find highly suspect. I looked at the reviews on Amazon and see that 9 out of 10 reviews were written after January 16th; all 1 star (apparently by people who had not read the book) and that several reviews were submitted by Alex Malarkey although only one is listed on the review page. If you look at the "Anonymous' reviewer page--- supposedly Alex---there are 12 pages of book reviews from that reviewer most of which are about advanced religious themes. Even though Alex is severely disabled apparently he is intellectually quite capable and able to type very well. (I guess he could use voice-activated typing program, but even so they are not perfect and need some ability to make corrections.) The books reviewed really seem too advanced to me for a young teenager although his total disability may have allowed him to do a lot of reading. This is all very suspect to me.

I don't think it goes without saying that the father "put this poor boy up to it" as some people might think. The boy could have been telling the truth and for whatever reason(s) has been talked, coerced, threatened to recant his story by his mother. After all this disabled boy is under the total control of his apparently highly religious mother who most likely has a grudge against her ex-husband. What better way to get even with him than to pull the plug, so to speak, on his flow of money from the book. I think a vindictive woman did this, not a disabled very vulnerable child. How could he not comply with his mother's wishes. He is totally dependent upon her. What I would really like to hear is the father's side of the story before condemning him.

I think this story has a wider application if one sees it as insight into the human condition. - AOD

Julie said:

"It was the experience itself that Sting had that I found fascinating, not so much the source of its initiation, Bruce."

And that's as it should be, Julie. To feel differently is to make a religion out of the use of certain substances or practices, and I do my best to steer clear of that way of thinking.

Having said that, one does feel a certain fondness for whatever has worked spectacularly (at least at times) in the past, and for me, psychedelics are in that category.

Apparently the "people" who have profited from the "lies" is the ex-husband --- not the Mother or the son who is confined to a wheel-chair.

It appears none of the money has gone towards son's medical bills.

Either the book is a hoax, or this is the only way the son can get even with his father who has kept all of the money.

Bruce, when you visit wherever you visit when you take psychedelic drugs do you recognise that place (or those places) as home?

Michael I think you might enjoy this article from 1925 about an early near death experience and out of body experience. It reflects on Kevin Malarkey's, Betty Eadie's, and little Colton Burpo's NDE. I think people interpret what they experience in light of the culture in which they were raised. This article is really good and it was written a long time ago.

The article is titled,

The Most Profound Near-Death Experience Ever?

"“These visits to ‘heaven’,” she continued, “would be sometimes tinged with the religious bias of the subject, but this is not strange in view of the fact that spirit states are conditions of the mind and spirits experiencing them.” . Nearly a century later, skeptical scientists are making this same observation as if it is something new and offering it as evidence that the experience is nothing more than a hallucination."

full article can be read @:
http://whitecrowbooks.com/michaeltymn/entry/the_most_profound_near-death_experience_ever

"Bruce, when you visit wherever you visit when you take psychedelic drugs do you recognise that place (or those places) as home?"

Julie, what a great question. And my answer is, in part, a sad one.

My childhood was rather traumatic. So my feelings and associations revolving around the concept of "home" are probably quite different from yours.

The other point is that I've never had the sense of traveling to a "place" or location during my journeys. Instead, I experience myself as entering a different state of consciousness, one in which I finally get to meet my true self in all its splendor.

And yes, to answer your question in a way that works for *me* -- without a doubt, I do recognize that psychological/emotional space as my true self!

I might point out that parents of most severely disabled children apply for benefits under social security disability and other public assistance programs to provide for care and treatments. Any money that they would receive from sources such as book receipts might disqualify them from those assistance programs or such receipts would have to be spent on care before public assistance would kick in. Therefore in such circumstances as this one, it might be prudent for monies from the sale of the book not to go to the disabled child and often families manipulate assets such as this so that they don't count against the available resources of the beneficiary . Generally , the benefits from Social Security and Public Assistance would be much greater over the life of the child than any portion of money obtained from book sales and under the circumstances of a quadriplegic totally dependent child it would be unwise to give up those benefits. -AOD

@Art: I agree. It seems to me be not surprising at all - in fact, expected - that that the outward manifestations of NDE, and perceptions in general of the other side, would be influenced by the life experiences of the perceiver. Yes, the trappings can vary, but the core experience remains valid and consistent from person to person, and across cultures.

This concept of a consistent core experience having varying trappings appears throughout human experience. Take, for example, the number "6." In a culture different than ours, the number 6 might be represented by an entirely different symbol than that used in the West -- but it would still be the number 6, regardless of the "garb" that a particular culture dresses it in.

Same with NDEs. The NDE experiencer is in a realm that objectively exists - like the number 6 objectively exists - but, like the number 6, the outward trappings of the the essential reality of the NDE can vary from culture to culture.

Regardless of the outward trappings, the core commonalities of NDEs remain (as described in the Greyson NDE Scale), just as the essence of a given number is unchanging.

Greyson NDE Scale

Im kinda over this one, but " Art" her blog suggests that he did receive some money, but his care is paid by a trust fund. It also hints at her religious ideology and beliefs. There's a lot going on here I think.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2014/06/the-boy-who-came-back-from-heaven-update/

I liked your post by Whitecrow books- what she experienced is similar to what I was told and posted sometime ago I think. I was given that we are "limited" by what we experience in life- that is all that you take with you. You can build on that in "heaven", but an earth body with its senses and ability to feel / experience- sorrow, hurt and tragedy along with the good, as well as your "free will" to map your life, has the dominant effect.

And that worries me, particularly the limits of my thinking some days ! Just my experience. Lyn x.

My impression of this is that the initial book was heavily influenced by the parents, and this recantation is demanded/influenced by parents also. The wording of the press release makes me think that the boy did have an NDE, he did think he went to Heaven, and then from there it got massacred in the attempt to make it conform to Christian doctrine. The initial version in the book is probably too close to the real thing for the mother's comfort, though she was willing to be talked into it by her husband at first. However, she grew more and more annoyed by the "non-scriptural" elements. In quotes because I have found that "non-scriptural" frequently refers to things that are in the Bible after all. Eventually she started demanding, she got divorced, and her totally dependent son was either persuaded or coerced into his recantation. The way it is written suggests to me that the father did exaggerate by making it sound more Christian and this is the basis for describing it as "made up" though the underlying NDE was real.

In the end, this example doesn't make a difference, but I will mention one thing that has bugged me about the copy for this book, the line about the boy hearing heavenly music that he didn't like. I would just about bet that the father threw that in gratuitously because I have never read anywhere else anything but an awed reaction to music during NDEs. In my own experience, though not in an NDE, I have heard this astral music in dreams and have never found it anything other than unearthly and beautiful to the greatest degree.

Sounds like a dysfunctional family to me. It's also a sad reflection on Christianity. In every possible way, it is just bad.

@Bruce: I understand what you're saying about your past and the concept of 'home'. What I was/am getting at is the fact that when I had (what I believe to be) a spiritual experience that gave me a 'home' feeling the feeling was one of complete safety and security. It's my belief that that feeling is, in itself, home. I think that's what unconditional love feels like.

Paqdream said:

"the line about the boy hearing heavenly music that he didn't like. I would just about bet that the father threw that in gratuitously because I have never read anywhere else anything but an awed reaction to music during NDEs."

I couldn't agree more, Andy. I noticed that too and it struck me as very strange. Unparalleled in the literature, to my knowledge.

And even more suspect coming from a kid. As a music teacher, I'm always struck by how appreciative kids are of ALL kinds of music.

Furthermore, I think the music we hear at the point of death is essentially the sound, or creation, of our deeper, larger, selves. Much like the sights we see. So to NDErs, it seems *perfect* and indescribably beautiful.

Hey, if you're reading this, Andy, here's an offtopic question. What percentage of your dreams, over the years, are precognitive? (Andy's the author of the excellent book, Dreamer.)

I don't know what happened, but it seems to me just by the wording of the letter that this man really did have some experience when he was a boy and now he's joined a strict anti-intellectual modern day sect (not like the rich philosophical traditions Christianity has had over thousands of years) that thinks UFOs and NDEs are demons he decided to say it was all a lie and that everyone needs to repent and just believe blindly what some mid-western charismatic preaches. Maybe he didn't have a full blown NDE, maybe he did, but I think that right now he's lying to reconcile with his new religion.

And then a couple thousand ten-year olds on the Internet who pretend to be atheists because it's cool wrote fifty million fake Amazon reviews of the book. They're having a field day with this. They all believe, blindly, that he says he made it all up, because it confirms their own biases, but so far I've seen only one review that postulates that the announcement that he made it up is a lie because of his religious conversion.

The two blind faiths of modern anti-intellectual religion and militant atheism always team up to suppress knowledge of ESP, NDEs, and mediumship. It is a threat to their power over people's lives on this Earth if there was strong evidence that people have lives in other worlds that cannot be controlled by an authoritarian structure.

FWIW, I recall that in The Afterlife of Leslie Stringfellow, which includes channeled messages to Stringfellow's mother (via automatic writing), "Leslie" reports exploring various cultures in the afterlife, one of which was Chinese. He said he disliked the music played in the Chinese realm, which sounded harsh and discordant to him. Of course this was not an NDE, and it's impossible to assess the validity of the messages anyway. But it is one case of someone purportedly hearing heavenly music and disliking it.

Julie said:

"What I was/am getting at is the fact that when I had (what I believe to be) a spiritual experience that gave me a 'home' feeling the feeling was one of complete safety and security. It's my belief that that feeling is, in itself, home. I think that's what unconditional love feels like."

Yes, the feelings you describe are ones I know well from my journeys. As I see it, these are all ways of talking about the same experience: "home" = "complete safety and security" = "unconditional love" = "meeting our real selves."

I guess I am having a strong emotional reaction to this unfolding story. I wish I could restrict myself to 'boy recants account of visit to heaven' and just go on. But, somehow this whole thing speaks to me of a more broader problem regarding investigation and reporting of---or even interest in---anything suggesting that there may be other realities than the one we see. In spite of the voluminous evidence, from many different sources over many years supporting continuing existence of a spirit after the death of the body, it is just absolutely hopeless to try to bring that information to the mainstream community.

The attacks on this book and similar others in the Amazon reviews are vicious. Comments about people and circumstances that the reviewer could not possibly know about are fabricated and bordering on libelous. The reviews betray stupidity, hostility and anger that cause me to feel disgusted with the whole human race.

My interest in spiritism has nothing to do with God, the Bible or any religion or religious text. My interest is the same as my interest in finding out what the physical world is like. If there are other realities out there I would like to know about them and there are theories, some with good supporting evidence, that suggest that there ARE other realities. Why are some people so closed-minded about learning something new? - AOD

Here is a little more information about the Alex Malarkey story.

"Maggie Rowe, senior publicist of Tyndale, released an updated statement Friday evening, saying: '. . .For the past couple of years we have known that Beth Malarkey, Kevin’s wife and Alex’s mother, was unhappy with the book and believed it contained inaccuracies. On more than one occasion we asked for a meeting with Kevin, Beth, Alex and their agent to discuss and correct any inaccuracies, but Beth would not agree to such a meeting.' (My emphasis added.)

"Long before Alex made his statement, Beth Malarkey had claimed on her blog that the book was made up and that when she approached the publishers, they did nothing."

"There are many who are scamming and using the Word of God to do it," she wrote last April. . . . She added: "The ones making money from the book are NOT the ones staying up through the night, struggling for their breath, or were they the ones at six years old, waking up unable to move or breathe and in a strange place after last remember seeing a car coming right at the car he was riding in".

For what it is worth, here is a YouTube video of Laura Ingraham's December 14, 2010 interview with Kevin Malarkey. He seems like a reasonable fellow to me but I have been known to be very gullible at times. There are demands for Ms. Ingraham to delete the video so it may be gone by the time you search for it. - AOD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ls2WgG4OBI

"The attacks on this book and similar others in the Amazon reviews are vicious. Comments about people and circumstances that the reviewer could not possibly know about are fabricated and bordering on libelous. The reviews betray stupidity, hostility and anger that cause me to feel disgusted with the whole human race.

My interest in spiritism has nothing to do with God, the Bible or any religion or religious text. My interest is the same as my interest in finding out what the physical world is like".

Well said "Amos", I agree totally. For me, I don't see any of my thinking as religious, but more that it represents out true quantum reality. It seems that the average person is very limited in their thinking and this rigidity goes all the way down the chain and is the source of most of the conflict in the world- an inability to tolerate conflicting world views.

You have probably posted your out of body experiences "Bruce", and perhaps I missed them. But I would love to hear some of the details. Lyn x.

You can also see why scientists are so conservative by nature and stick with historical views that are slow to change.

How one is brought up, ones religious ideology also appears to stick fast for the majority and colours their life views.

I may appear stuck fast to my principles on this page, but it's more a way of venting my frustrations. I have friends / family who see things differently, and I don't see the point in arguing with them.

And as people tend to be so fixed in how they think, I can see how these limitations in thinking carry over to continue in the after life. Possibly why reincarnation is needed to allow people differing lives and alternate points of view.

Perhaps children should do philosophy in school, as a means of questioning their thinking. Lyn x.

Hey Ya'll speaking of "not our home" this song was done by two of my wife's students, Jonathan and Emily Martin. My wife teaches at Belmont Uni. in Nashville. Anyway the artists in the song are married to each other and it's a nice song. You might like the sentiment in the song.

Not Our Home Music Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A13Uu6cYhZY

Hey Art -- great song, performance, and video! What subject does your wife teach? I wouldn't mind having some of my own students make a video (piano-based) of that quality. But I don't suppose your wife is their music teacher?

"But I would love to hear some of the details. Lyn x."

Lyn, I wrote a little about one of my key journeys in the first comment of the following thread:

http://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2014/07/persistence-of-visions.html

I haven't taken a psychedelic in quite a few years now, and though I journaled immediately following each of my dozen or so experiences, so much is left out. Worse than that, I'm sad to say I've forgotten how it really FELT to be in that awesome psychological/emotional space.

I envy NDErs who say they can return to the love they felt by meditating or reflecting on their NDE.

@Amos: I followed the link you supplied and also a further one discussing the boy's statement in which he denies the experience. My feeling is that he's been brainwashed by the Christian fundamentalists who see such experiences as a threat to their belief system. It isn't difficult to convince a child that they were mistaken. Children are routinely conditioned out of their spiritual awareness.

@Lynn: "And as people tend to be so fixed in how they think, I can see how these limitations in thinking carry over to continue in the after life. Possibly why reincarnation is needed to allow people differing lives and alternate points of view." I like that idea. It makes sense of the notion of reincarnation . . . . . . . which is a prospect that doesn't appeal to me in the least.

@Bruce: Thank you. And, like Lynn, I too would like to know more about your spiritual/OBE experiences.

Julie,
I used to look forward to being reincarnated as someone else but upon reconsideration I am not so sure. If I would find myself in a better situation than my current life that would be great, but there is no assurance that the next life will be better than the current one and in fact it could be worse, a lot worse. For that reason I agree with you that the prospect of reincarnation does not appeal to me as it once did. I tend to believe that there is such a thing as reincarnation though, based primarily upon the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson and reports from James Leininger who reported a life as an airman James Huston in WWII and---yes--- Virginia Tighe's account as Bridey Murphy, among others. Nevertheless it is comforting to contemplate a life that would be more fulfilling that the current one and for that reason I like to think that maybe I have learned the right things in this life to propel me into a better one in the next.

I have an inclination to believe that I picked my parents in this life, seeming to recall seeing them as very happy, fun-loving attractive people whom I thought looked like good warm happy 'parents'. As it turned out, that all changed after they got married (on Halloween) to provide a home for me and both of them were not happy in their relationship.

Picking the right parents is the key to a good reincarnated life, I think. I am not so sure that I know how to do that now. I also think that I have pretty strong prejudices which would force me into a life I wouldn't like, even though I might learn a lot from it. - AOD

I didn't trust this book from the beginning. It was far too different from other NDEs. Add the father's evangelical outlook, it doesn't make for a surprising outcome IMO

Hi Bruce,
My wife teaches Public relations courses at Belmont and is the head of the Public Relations department. She's been there about 8½ years. Before that we were both with the Univ. of TN, Knoxville. Me with the College of Veterinary Medicine and my wife teaching public relations.

Belmont is known for its music program and about half the kids that attend Belmont are Music majors. Belmont has a very close connection to the Nashville country music business. A lot of country music artists went to Belmont. Vince Gill and Amy Grant attend all the home basketball games at Belmont.

Anyway some of my wife's students are music majors with a minor in PR and vice-versa. You know Florida-Georgia Line? Those boys both went to Belmont and my wife had them in classes. I think Brad Paisley and Trisha Underwood were both Belmont students too.

The comments to this entry are closed.