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To XXII:
A Critical Examination of the Belief in Life after Death:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2Q4YPM8T

Art,

You wrote,

Don't you see the connection? When the soul leaves the body it goes to the original holographic film where the blurriness doesn't exist?

Yes, I see the connection. I think the term "holographic universe" is vaguely pointing in the right direction. At this stage, it's just a cool metaphor.

Because, in the end, the universe is *not* a hologram. There is *not* a substrate etched by a laser requiring a laser to reproduce the information, and I don't think anything analogous is happening. I think, at ground, the universe is medium-free. I have no trouble believing in buildings made of knowledge, but in such a case the knowledge does not require a medium to exist. Nevertheless, there are clearly rules of some sort governing that information; otherwise, it would not appear to form a building. The actual mechanics governing that information would be extremely interesting to know.

So, you are very insistent upon the holographic universe idea, but, at this stage, it is as if you are asking me to use a particular label or association when thinking about things: "Hey, when you think 'universe,' associate it with a hologram." That's OK as far as it goes, but it doesn't help me connect the dots better in my mind.

Do you see what I mean?

Cheers,

Matt

To XXII:
The Mind and its Place in Nature:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Y66RL4TW


"Mike said:

"Well, what do you expect? It is Fox news afterall, who'd expect the right-wing propaganda machine to actually have a mature conversation about the paranormal?"

On the other hand (as I mentioned in an earlier comment today), the New York Times, hardly known for their right-wing propaganda, considers Richard Dawkins to be an intellectual trail-blazer and reliable source for metaphysical insights.

Maybe this isn't so much about right vs left."

Agreed. Those labels may loosely apply in politics, although I hate any word that is thrown out in politics saturated with mean or connotations that are not true and are used to attack the opponent.

Those who have had a paranormal experience cross all of the political demographic. However, how they are interpreted or reported may show a correlation with certain belief systems that arise within "right or left" political outlooks, remembering that political outlook is in fact a socio-cultural subset in which many intervening variables may come into play.

Yeah there are some really interesting points made i agree especially with what your saying Mike in relation to the skeptics. The big question is if none of this stuff does exist how is it that there are so many practicing psychics out there in the world. Surely it cant all be a big sham?

"So, you are very insistent upon the holographic universe idea, but, at this stage, it is as if you are asking me to use a particular label or association when thinking about things: "Hey, when you think 'universe,' associate it with a hologram." That's OK as far as it goes, but it doesn't help me connect the dots better in my mind." - matt
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It's made of information. Using another analogy - like the 0's and 1's in a computer program. Ultimately everything is made of consciousness. What surprises me is how closely near death experiences "fit" what Michael Talbot wrote about in The Holographic Universe. They corroborate one another. The holographic universe theory validates NDEs.

"No, jsh, I don't think they are elementals left over from the human animal."

Well the ones I see in graveyards are. There are also visitors from the astral plane, but they're not leftovers, they're graduates. I usually call them spirits, not ghosts.

Barbara,

I thought the term "elementals" is used for nature spirits that are on a different evolutionary path from humans.

I've heard of a type of ghost being something like an empty "shell" maybe the astral body that is shed when the spirit moves to the spirit planes.

I think earth bound spirits, psychometric perceptions, and empty shells might qualify as "ghosts".

Why do you think the ghosts you see in graveyards are not spirits? How can you tell?


Thanks

I for one don't care much about cases but experiments that is why i find the cross correspondences, newspaper tests/books tests and recent mediumship experiments very interesting and powerful overwhelming for an afterlife. But if those cases are strongly corroborated and actual physical evidence is undercovered then the cases get much stronger. That has happened lots of times.

http://www.redtube.com

You wanna know why the paranormal is taboo? I'll tell you why: James Randi. Him and his idiot acolytes have done a terrific job of keeping everyone else's minds just as narrow as theirs. It is my contention that it is James "the amazing asshole" Randi and the other lying, coniving skeptics' faults for retarding the acceptance of psi and mediumship in the wider public arena. It is thanks to them that so many people still fear death, thinking al mediums are charlatans, and it is their fault that psi is not further investigated because so many scientists scoff at it, thinking the outdated, idiotic arguments of the skeptics are actually valid. Basically, and pardon my french, my point is this: Fuck the skeptics.

Thanks for that Ralph. But I came to this board to escape from expletive filled rants, the kind that you typically find on skeptic sites like Pharyngula. We can do better!


The paranormal was taboo long before James Randi. See George Hansen's book "The Trickster and the Paranormal" for a thorough overview of the "marginality" of psi in cultures throughout history and throughout the world.

And yeah, cool it with the expletives and insults, m'kay?

"The paranormal was taboo long before James Randi."

Right, go back far enough and you have witch burnings and etc due ignorance and religious nonsense. But during and after the scientific revolution there were always those who wanted to study the paranormal scientifically, and those who only wanted to deny it and heap insults on those who wanted to study it. I don't see any reason not to name names like Randy. He and others are responsible for misleading the public. Randy doesn't deny he is a trickster, others however self deluded or cynical hide behind Scientism which just goes to show the corruption rampant within the scientific community.

"I thought the term "elementals" is used for nature spirits that are on a different evolutionary path from humans."

"I've heard of a type of ghost being something like an empty "shell" maybe the astral body that is shed when the spirit moves to the spirit planes."

jsh, elementals are involved in all processes -they make things happen and bring things alive. But when they lose their home, they can be like the empty shell you mention until they're freed. Remember there's a difference between the etheric (which is earth linked) and the astral (which goes beyond earth).

If interested, you could refer to Marko Pogacnik or Geoffrey Hodson or even Rudolf Steiner (all of whom communicated with elementals).

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