I found this video by frequent commenter Sandy very impressive:

http://sandstonesquarry.blogspot.com/2011/08/lets-try-that-again.html

My first thought, upon seeing one of her pinwheel videos, was that static electricity might somehow be involved. But this simple test seems to rule it out. (As you can see from the post that immediately precedes the linked post, the bits of styrofoam are placed inside and around the jar in order to show if static electricity is a factor.)

Comments

[jshgfcre98ijyds]

"No one, only monsters do things like that."

(Thanks. I have been waiting for a provocation to excuse this rant ;)

Physical mediums, people associated with poltergeist phenomena, and other psychics are human beings. They are not monsters.

The monsters are the witch burners and others who are afraid of the unknown and condemn people who have unusual abilities because they are different.

Also monsters, are those who attack psychics to advance their own personal interests. These monsters include:

- media sceptics selling books

- scientists threatened by alternative knowledge and alternative ways of learning about the universe

- religious leaders threatened by spiritual truths and alternative methods of learning about and communication with the spiritual realm

- victims of dogmatic religious upbringing who want revenge against anything related to the spiritual

- people who choose alternative lifestyles and who experience religious condemnation and want revenge against anything related to the spiritual

- people who are afraid of the difficulties of life and cannot accept the possibility of an eternal existence

- government officials who don't want to encourage other countries to use psi for espionage or sabatoge

- materialists who cannot tolerate threats to their religious beliefs about creation of the universe and the origin of life on earth

- students and others who suspend their critical thinking because it is easier to accept dogmatic materialism than it is to make a sincere effort to read and learn the truth for themselves.

- psychics who condemn other psychics to attract greater attention and sympathy to themselves

Another type of monster is the parpsychologist who, to further their own career, exploit psychics by conducting mindless experiments to "prove" what has been proved for over a century. They misdirect attention away from the vast scientific record of evidence while wasting time and resources that could be spent learning how psi works.

[no one]

Sandy, I don't understand.

Monsters?

Cure it?

Please elobarate.

BTW, I am not suggesting you try to move or effect larger objects. I was curious about your answer because I too an trying to understand.

[Sandy]

No one, I've had large objects move. Not on purpose, but they have moved. I've frightened people that I care about. It was never intentional, but it still makes me feel like a monster. Alphabet seems to agree with that assessment.

[Michael Duggan]

Sandy, just watching your videos carefully, it does look like you are instigating the movements rather than subliminally following, as skeptics would suggest. Very interesting. On your blog, you mention another interested researcher. Can you disclose who this is? Are you moving towards getting other researchers involved? It's pretty obvious you have a talent, and the more independant confirmation of that, the better.

[Sandy]

I'd rather not give out the names of researchers on a public blog. Nothing has been scheduled as of yet. It would be nice to get a second lab to confirm some of the things that the people at Laurentian looked at, but I don't know if and when that will happen. I've been asked if I want to go for testing and I've said yes. It's now up to the researchers to set things up.

[tony]

Is there actually any hard proof of macro pk ?

micro pk is different - the influencing of random events by putting structure into the time series - been proved many times.

[jshgfcre98ijyds]

"Is there actually any hard proof of macro pk ?"

If you want to find out more about the evidence for macro pk ....

1) Look at some of the work written by people who have researched poltergeist phenomena.

2) Uri Geller participated in many scientific studies on macro pk and you can find references on his web site - and there are also free e books about pk research.

3) Ingo Swann also has some information about experiments he participated in on pk on his web site. But, I'm not sure if they are considered macro or micro pk. They involved influencing plants, photographic film, and electronic devices. I recommend his e-book anyway it is worth reading.

4) I'm not sure if you include physical mediumship in your interest in pk but there is also alot of information available on that. Here is what Pierre Curie, Nobel prize winner in physics, said about medium Eusapia Palladino:

http://www.answers.com/topic/eusapia-palladino

"It was very interesting, and really the phenomena that we saw appeared inexplicable as trickery—tables raised from all four legs, movement of objects from a distance, hands that pinch or caress you, luminous apparitions. All in a [setting] prepared by us with a small number of spectators all known to us and without a possible accomplice. The only trick possible is that which could result from an extraordinary facility of the medium as a magician. But how do you explain the phenomena when one is holding her hands and feet and when the light is sufficient so that one can see everything that happens?[13] "

[tony]

jshgfcre98ijyds - Thanks for that - by the way have you/anyone checked The Felix Experimental Groups physical seance stuff - if thats real - those photos?!!

[no one]

http://felixcircle.blogspot.com/

Tony, that is some amazing stuff at felix.

I read thru a couple years of their blog. If it's a hoax, it's fairly elobarate and has fooled a lot of seemingly reasonable people.

Agreed. The photos are remarkable!

[Douglas]

Very interesting site and pics. I havent had a detailed look yet, but my initial impression is that this is certainly the kind of material that Thompson should be aiming to produce!

[Sandy]

Stephen Braude gave a talk about his initial investigation of the group:

http://www.scientificexploration.org/talks/29th_annual/29th_annual_braude_investigation_spiritist_seance_germany.html

[Sandy]

My last link didn't come out. It was on the SSE site. It's one of the more recent talks posted there. Here is the youtube link to the same lecture:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD7bQxFNdHw&feature=player_embedded

[Douglas]

Just had a more detailed look. While we still need more background, I think this could be some genuine materialisation mediumship at long last.

I'm also impressed by the typical German approach of detailed, step by step recording and analysing of data.

[Tony]

thanks again - i will check the Stephen Braude vid.
havent seen the felix circle stuff before - someresearch says B Colvern (SPR)as been there - he observed an ectoplasmic hand crawling about!
the 3rd party 1950s info is definately Woo Woo stuff - imagine taking Sister Irma home to meet your mum!
spirit lights are interesting - though earlier in the blog theyre described as pale green - later on we can see theyre red - anyone?

[zerdini]

I had extensive correspondence with the Felix Circle medium, Kai Muegee, between the 11th and 19th September on the SCR website (physical mediumship thread) and am still waiting for his replies to the questions I posed on the thread.

[Douglas]

hmm just bad at replying or something to hide - the intrigue continues...

[zerdini]

This is the kind of stuff I took exception to on the Felix Circle blog:

Nov 2010

This is PTAH's first speech after his introduction a month ago. The Contents were announced to be given through at Cabinet Seance the 26th October, but because of lack of energy not came through until the 27th of October through Automatic Writing. The transcript was done Thursday the 10th of November.

PTAH claims to be an Alien Intelligence or cosmical Life Form, who 6000 years ago interbred with the human kind. When he came through the first time he claimed to be the Entity the Egyptians called PTAH!

He acts within the Spirit Team of the FEG-Medium as Doorkeeper of a higher order.

He claims to be one of many watchmen that observe interdimensional communication, like to get in contact with deceased loved ones. He claims to be consciously existing on different reality planes, like on our physical plane but also on the plane, where our deceased loved ones go to.

The following text is PTAH's first message after his introduction a few weeks ago - enjoy!

I am the one who your people once called Ptah and I am a friend of your kind.
To be correct we are relatives.
In the way all beings in the universe are relatives coming from the same one creator.

6000 years ago I was part of a plan to speed up a process of evolution to my own races profit. My race is coming from a place so far away there is no space here to explain further, because of the lack of time.
But please listen how it all came.

This profit I am talking of is now long gone and was actually never made – in the contrary.

Once there was an unbelievable complex energy.
An energy that had the potential to bring up this endlessly rich cosmos and all the many life forms within it.

To make this new garden rich and beautiful, the creators, a certain energy form – that is much more than any human term could grab – planted flowers from other gardens, without letting them being aware that their origin was from somewhere else.

But one of most promising seeds was the human being that followed its destined and programmed schedule to develop and to become a perfect fit within a perfect biological system. With the time the humans and their perfectness transferred their greatness contained in certain informational fields - that build up as soon as beings share common processes - into the depth of space and brought up other humanoid life forms on other planets.

Then about 6000 years ago something unawaited happened.

The alien seed, once used to enrich the garden of life on its many planes of existence, was contacted by its dying ancestors from far another realm, wanting it to work out a plan to uphold their biological life form that stood at that time on the edge of destruction.

Be aware, biological life is only a plane of existence, besides there are many more planes where conscious life can exist.
Certain planes for example do host consciousness of things you at all were never expecting to have one!

So when we once were being told we were strangers in a strange cosmos, urged to help those that represented our biological roots, we decided to interfere with the evolutionary processes of mankind to make the predestined future masters our brothers and sisters!

We have failed.

The development of mankind did not step forward as we wanted.
Their spirit of superiority made them blind, let them loose control, let them misunderstand the true multidimensional matrix in which all things that exist in present, in past and future do dwell interconnected.
Everything that exists, every action that is being taken, every word that is being spoken not only vibrates into the matrix and changes it. Additionally parallel dimensional realities are influenced and effigies of every thing and thought are concerned.

The destructive behaviour of man resonates dimensionally and interdimensionally through the cosmos and creates true monsters. Destructive entities have emerged out of the dark realms of human existence and they do thread the whole creation.

Today my basic assignment is in fact to diagnose the conditions of planetary energy forms.
On certain planes every planet is owning a life spending energy signature. Following this signature planets do or do not host life forms but are part of a cosmological balance that is needed to uphold the matter based parts in this cosmos.
This assignment made Sirius A my temporary home star. The name of my planet in your language is Lot 3.
Lot 1 and 2 are also circulating in the gravity field of Sirius A, but are not so bright and beautiful.

Lot 3 is the planet I love, a bright planet with early biological life forms, a mild climate and beautiful mountains and valleys.

But the reason I speak to you today is another, an urgent matter.
I know there are many others besides me that try to inspire human energy, that try to uplift the human consciousness.
They talk of a plan, they do fulfil, a plan forged by spiritual beings to influence the human consciousness to give impulses to develop, to change! That is true.

What is not true is that we have a choice. We have none.
The human being is interwoven multidimensionally and his selfishness, greed and ruthlessness in making the creation a slave has created dangerous effects unforeseeable by now from your perspective.
The fact is, if mankind doesn t manage to find its place, the once as masters of the universe described will fail and fall and go down forever.

They will tear down all with them into the abyss on many connected planes of existence.
So at all our all own existence is on the edge. We need to stop the human kind in its destructive behavior.

You may ask: What can we do?
The power conditions seem unbreakable for the individual.

That’s true only in a linear way of thinking.

There is a power given, not to all conscious based biological life forms, but to the human kind. This power is able to permeate the highest walls, to enlighten the darkest places. Its outcomes are interdimensional effective, anointing, curing, reconciling, transcending, forgiving and supporting. Its light shines so bright, that many will prosper from it and maybe they start to shine also by this special resonance.
A resonance that echoes through the depths of the cosmos.

This is my message!

For every one of you sole individuals!

There s a power at your hands mightier than the sharpest blade of those that exploit, abuse and kill!
Its blade will bring life, will bring light and awareness, union and deliverance.
Live that energy now – don t underestimate it – it is our all last chance to save the universe of the human race and all the entities that are interdimensionally connected with it.

One calls it "Unconditional LOVE".
Its mighty resonance is a deep warm tone vibrating through Space and Time and beyond.
It will create the good, will fulfil hearts and redeem all spirits of all existing entities!
Don t underestimate how far your own action can reach.
Because of its power this resonance echoes deeply into and through the dimensions
and every single act of love may deliver universes!

Act now!

This is Ptah from Sirius, a friend of the human race.

[Douglas]

hmm, well Zerdini, while the message is the usual nonsense, I don't know if the circle can be blamed for the messages that come through. They may be relating it as they get it.

Spirit communications often contain outlandish statements like this, it doesnt mean the mediums are false. If you are a genuine medium, that doesnt mean you are always held responsible for any messages that come through - if the medium is genuine, then the responsibility for the truth of any claim lies with the sender.

Robert Monroe, who I rate highly, as I have personally exprienced much of the same phenomena as he related, provided a sample of early communications that he received from clients at the Monroe Institute. Many seemed to be sensible communications, but soem were quite bliblical in their terminology and others were quite outlandish, like the example above - that doesnt mean the communications were not genuine.

I think the key here is that the group, in this case the Felix Circle, keeps an open mind about any such communications, and doesnt take what they receive as gospel truth. I think this is the danger that many groups face, in that they end up going off on a misguided quest based on the communications they receive - ideally they should note the communications and move on, but not act upon them. The last thing we need is another cult.

[Barbara]

"I think the key here is that the group, in this case the Felix Circle, keeps an open mind about any such communications, and doesnt take what they receive as gospel truth."

In which case, why bother at all? Just make up all that rubbish yourself.

[zerdini]

The message came through the medium - in this case, Kai Muegge.

Mediums ARE always responsible for any utterances through them.

It is no defence to say "I was in trance and don't know what was said through me".

They may not remember but they are still responsible.

Barbara is absolutely right.

[no one]

I do not understand why spirit communication is held to a higher standard than normal communication between physically living people; which, we know, is colored all along the spectrum from subjective intepretation and to mistaken understanding to outright fraud and deception.

Maybe there is some unexamined underlying dogma that the spirits, released from the physical body at death, immediately go to some realm of total enlightment and absolute truth and should, therefore, report through mediums, messages that reflect that unadultrated objective reality.

And then the medium him/herself must be serving as an additional lense as he/she attempts to put into words much for which there are no words.

I am not surprised at all that there is a fair amount of jibberish and apparent contradiction in what comes through.

My personal experiences with paranormal states have often left me frustrated at the inability to convey the experience and embarrassed by the silliness that my failed attempts sometimes end up producing.

I say this not necessarily as a defense of Felix (or anyone else), but as a possible explanation that should be kept in mind when assessing these things.

[jshgfcre98ijyds]

"But the reason I speak to you today is another, an urgent matter.
I know there are many others besides me that try to inspire human energy, that try to uplift the human consciousness.
They talk of a plan, they do fulfil, a plan forged by spiritual beings to influence the human consciousness to give impulses to develop, to change! That is true.

What is not true is that we have a choice. We have none.
The human being is interwoven multidimensionally and his selfishness, greed and ruthlessness in making the creation a slave has created dangerous effects unforeseeable by now from your perspective.
The fact is, if mankind doesn t manage to find its place, the once as masters of the universe described will fail and fall and go down forever.

They will tear down all with them into the abyss on many connected planes of existence.
So at all our all own existence is on the edge. We need to stop the human kind in its destructive behavior."

Was it translated from German? Did this come through a trance medium, or through direct voice, or some other way?

I don't see the problem with it. In fact it makes a lot of sense to me. I and others have felt that there is not a good explanation for why people incarnate in to some of the horrible lives that occur in this plane and the usual airy fairy tripe you get from new agers about free will and soul development doesn't really explain the horrors.

This communication touches on the fact that something has gone wrong with humanity that needs to be fixed and that makes a lot more sense to me, as an explanation of the insanity that continues everywhere on this planet, than the usual fairy tale about free will and soul evolution.

Is it true? I don't know. Is it plausable? Yes, in my opinon, more so than many other accepted communications.

[jshgfcre98ijyds]

"The fact is, if mankind doesn t manage to find its place, the once

[should be 'ones'?]

as masters of the universe described will fail and fall and go down forever.

They will tear down all with them into the abyss on many connected planes of existence.
So at all our all own existence is on the edge. We need to stop the human kind in its destructive behavior."

We like to think everything is well regluated according to a divine plan. Maybe not. Maybe the earth school has gotten out of control.

The "out of control" explanation makes a lot more sense when you consider the history of hitler, stalin, mao, pol pot and so many people living lives of pointless suffering.

Maybe part of the suffering is because it's out of control, and maybe part of the suffering is due to the work needed to get the earth school back under control and on a sane path.

Makes much more sense out of suffering than "soul development" or individuation, or learning to be separate.

[jshgfcre98ijyds]

Another point: This type of message is much more typical of the ufo literature of contactees, abductees, and alien channelers than it is of the spiritual literature of ned's and mediums.

[zerdini]

It was a trance communication not direct voice.

[Paul]

Having read the above quote, the words springing to mind are "utter tosh". What evidence supports these statements? The reports are dimly reminiscent of Scientology.

[jshgfcre98ijyds]

I haven't read through the felix blog ... do they report having recieved any information that they would not be likely to have known but which was later confirmed ... do they give readings to sitters etc?

(ie. is there any reason to consider writings like these credible?)

Thanks

[zerdini]

No.

[Douglas]

They also feature some dubious photos from historic seances, particularly from south america in the early 20th century - most if not all of them are absolutely risable.

[tony]

Maybe a genuine 'quantum' message sent from the far future - the only way for the message to be received is for it to influence the collective mind where PTAH exists as an archetype image - until our physics gets good enough to decode it straight..

[solon]

that sounds like a likely explanation. i buy it.

[no one]

So......I guess you guys don't think much of the Felix group?

[Michael Prescott]

I haven't had a chance to read the material yet. The photos are striking, but the content quoted by Zerdini sounds pretty off-the-wall. Of course it's conceivable that only PK is involved, in which case the purportedly channeled messages would presumably be coming from the medium's subconscious. PK appears to have been at work in the famous Phillip seances conducted in Canada, in which a purely imaginary spirit was invoked, and impressive physical phenomena followed. Perhaps a belief that spirits are behind the effects makes it easier for the medium to achieve results, since it relieves him of personal responsibility for what may be seen as a frightening and unnatural talent.

[Tony]

Theres something not quite trustworthy about this FEG stuff - if they can take still pictures why not movie footage?
To hoax this is easy - use red L.E.Ds for light hovering over hand and laser pointer for the rest.
Although i'mhoping this is genuine paranormal!!