Mad Max

Everyone else is talking about it. Why not us? 

By "it," I mean this newly released eight-minute tape in which Mel Gibson goes absolutely batshucks crazy, admits to punching his wife in the face and says she deserved it, apparently threatens to kill her with a baseball bat and bury her in the garden, and screams so long and loud that he has to pant like an overheated dog just to find the strength to go on screaming. (Warning: Extremely profane content.)

  

It's probably the single most amazing thing I've heard online. It makes Christian Bale sound like Mary Poppins.

Now we know why Mel is so good at playing psychopaths. He's just being himself.

The man is clearly insane. I'd say he's an extreme narcissist and sociopath, and maybe bipolar. His mental problems were pretty evident even from the first tape, which wasn't as bad as this one, but was bad enough.

And yet up till now he's gotten a fair amount of support from fans who are demonstrating more loyalty than judgment. Some of the defenses offered online:

"It was a private conversation."

"She's a gold-digger who set him up."

"He's just having a midlife crisis."

"Everybody gets mad during break-ups."

And my personal favorite: "He's a Christian!"

As if being a (professed) Christian is some kind of all-purpose get-out-of-jail-free card. Well, for some people, it is.

Mel probably won't go to prison. Celebrities rarely do. But I don't think we'll be seeing his psychotic grin on the big screen again.

Mad Max, indeed.

Braveheart? Not so much.

Comments

[Larry]

All he has to do is say he is contrite, cry for the cameras and go to rehab for a month, get a photo shoot or three with famous African-Americans, go on Oprah to cry some more, donate some boodle to an African-American charity, and many a person who is still a Gibson fan after his first infamous psychopathic bigoted meltdown will still forgive him. If people didn't have a problem with his first in vino veritas breakdown, chances are (unless they are of African ethnicity) they won't have a problem with this latest one.

South Park had his number when his movie on the Passion came out. If you haven't seen that episode that portrayed him as a deranged psychopath and nutjob, do yourself a favour, watch it online now. Talk about prophetic..

[Sandy]

Don't celebrities get away with these things all the time?

[J. Carson Black]

I'm hopeful this time it will be the end for him. William Morris has dumped him. Tom Cruise got dumped in a similar situation, but Tom's biggest crime was saying a few mildly-sexist words about Brooke Shields re. post-partum depression. So Tom could redeem himself. But this guy is scary, a maniac, and the woman he's screwing with isn't going to fool around. She's going to make sure everybody on earth hears this tape. No one could see him as a leading man after this...

Unless he leads with his fist.

[Larry]

I always thought Tom Cruise was dumped by William Morris because he was a bit too public and loud with his kooky Scientology beliefs, that he was thus considered too much of a loose canon by the agency and could turn off the movie going public. I think William Morris was the agency for actress Chloe Sevigny and they dumped her for you know the infamous sex scene in the Vince Gallo movie 'The Brown Bunny', at least I think it was William Morris. Sevigny's career was never the same after that movie came out.

[Larry]

oops sorry I was just on automatic there. Tom Cruise of course was dumped by Paramount Studios, not WM.

[-Gilgamesh]

I wonder if he is contemplating a new "Passion" movie... the "passion of the Oksana Grigorieva....

"""This life is just a testing ground. It's not a popular view, I know. People will say that I'm sort of a mindless robot who's using religion as a crutch to get through life. Well, I'm not a mindless robot, but I am using (religion) as a crutch to get through life."""
""""F**king Jews...the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.""""
""""How dare you act like such a bitch when I have been so f--king nice?""""
""""a woman should be home with the f**ck**g children""""

""""Feminists don't like me, and I don't like them.""""
(go figure)

---Mel Gibson (R-snuff movie maker)

[Vitor]

I receive a message saying that the video can't be viewed in my country.

[Panerai]

This is all very new to me and this article really opened my eyes.Thanks for sharing with us your wisdom.

[Art]

The panting in the tape is probably related to years of heavy smoking. Emphysema.

The tape does sound very bi-polar and/or "chronic rage syndrome" which my father had. Just blowing his top and not being able to control his anger. My dad used to sound just like that without the cursing.

I can't remember my father using the "F" word like Mel Gibson does but the screaming and yelling sounded spot on. I've often wondered if the bursts of anger were somehow cathartic, almost sexual, releasing tension, and after it was over they'd be able to fall asleep?

What a strange way to go through life? I've enjoyed so many of his movies and when he was young he was such a together, handsome man. In his old age he's just a pathetic nut-case and that is how he is going to be remembered. It's sad this is what Mel Gibson is going to be remembered for. I expect that he won't live to be real old. He may not have too much longer in his physical body.

[Michael Prescott]

"In his old age he's just a pathetic nut-case"

I agree he's a pathetic nutcase, but ... "in his old age"?! C'mon, Art - Mel is only a few years older than I am!

How about, "In the prime of his life"?

:-)

[Sandy]

Mel is only 54? I would have guessed much older though from the way he looks.

[RabbitDawg]

Obviously, he's sounds like he has been drinking heavily.

She is aware of the recording, he's not. Therefore, she knows to temper her comments, even to the point of sounding like she is "passively" goading him on.

However, she probably came up with the idea of the recording after putting up with no telling how much previous abuse.

In my chauvinistic worldview, no man ever even talks to a woman like that, drunk or not.

But he hit her. I believe that he has actually hit her in the past. That is the worst part. This makes him the lowest of the low. The damage is much more than a washed-up career, as no man or woman with any self respect will ever associate with him again, Christian or not.

Well, I guess he can always turn to God, but I don't want to hear about it, especially in the press.

[RabbitDawg]

Um, in the above post, by "Christian or not", I am referring to Mel himself. Other Christians may be the only ones willing to speak to him (for free).
To me it's a blasphemy to hide behind religion. Any religion.

I think it's interesting that if someone has a politically correct disability like muscular dystrophy people bend over backwards to help them, for example with telethons and special olympics etc. But if someone has a disability like an emotional disturbance people just like to condemn them and discuss how evil they are and how they deserve the worst that life can offer.

Just sayin..

[Bruce Siegel]

"But if someone has a disability like an emotional disturbance people just like to condemn them"

I appreciate your adding that perspective! I was thinking something similar but didn't say anything.

And no, like being a Christian, being insane is not "an all-purpose get-out-of-jail-free card," to use Michael's well-chosen words. But it is an important part of the picture, isn't it? Deserving of compassion, perhaps, even if we find it difficult to forgive?

I saw a poem by Hafiz yesterday that I really like:

If God
Invited you to a party
And said,

"Everyone
In the ballroom tonight
Will be my special
Guest."

How would you then treat them
When you
arrived?

Indeed, indeed!

And Hafiz knows
There is no one in this world

Who
Is not upon
His Jeweled Dance
Floor.

[Panerai]

Once again great post. You seem to have a good understanding of these themes.When I entering your blog,I felt this . Come on and keep writting your blog will be more attractive. To Your Success!

[Roger Knights]

Max Mad.

[RabbitDawg]

Sorry, but I don't buy the "mentally disturbed" defense. I don't doubt that Mel is in need of psychological help, but this recording is ego talking, folks.

It's most likely his ego that prevented him from genuinely seeking help after the DUI fiasco, just a few years ago.

I've already pointed out that there is a bit of a "set up" side to this story, but if he wasn't on the prowl to begin with, he couldn't have been trapped.

His unhinging seems to be a lifestyle choice, no?

[RabbitDawg]

Also, does anyone have any compassion for his victim(s)? Not too many comments here about that part (up until now, including me).

Of course...C'mon, say it... This one hit the Mother lode.

But how many victims are out there that haven't?

[Michael Prescott]

A new Mel tape appeared today, as part of an ongoing, carefully orchestrated series of releases:

tiny.cc/6gsbt

(Vulgar and profane content, of course.)

In this one he threatens to burn the house down, screams a whole lot, and at one point lets out a primal yawp of bottomless rage and frustration. He also seems obsessed with being sexually serviced in a particular way.

I think one reason I have less sympathy for Mel than I do for, say, muscular dystrophy patients is that muscular dystrophy patients don't treat other people this way.

And there are medications available that can help with mental illness. It appears that Mel has simply refused to take them. If there were a readily available treatment for muscular dystrophy, but sufferers declined to use it, I wouldn't be too sympathetic to them.

Of course, resistance to undergoing treatment is itself a symptom of Mel's paranoia, narcissism, psychosis, etc. So it's hard to say how much responsibility he should be assigned, and how much of it is just the disease talking.

But surely a person who treats his significant other this abusively must accept at least *some* responsibility.

[GregL]

"She is aware of the recording, he's not. Therefore, she knows to temper her comments, even to the point of sounding like she is "passively" goading him on."

He definitely needs help and is seriously out of control, but, this woman is not exactly innocent here. She is using passive/aggressive tactics to pull his strings(and man does he have some strings to pull). Obviously she wanted to get some juicy comments from Mel to make these tapes.

If he hit her, then shame on him, there is no excuse for him. It did seem suspicious though, that she adjusted her statements in mid sentence to give a more fuller description of her injuries. It does appear that she is doing this specifically for the recording.

Mel left a wife of 35 years to play the field. He is probably getting what he derserves here. If he acted like this throughout his marriage, I wonder how it lasted so long.

[Bruce Siegel]

"But surely a person who treats his significant other this abusively must accept at least *some* responsibility. "

I agree!

"Of course, resistance to undergoing treatment is itself a symptom of Mel's paranoia, narcissism, psychosis, etc. "

Good point. That's what makes this so complicated. It's a difficult dance, trying to protect ourselves and others from violent behavior, without simply throwing deeply troubled people onto the trash heap.

I think I read somewhere on the internet that people who have near death experiences see that we are all interconnected and they experience a oneness with all beings and understand that love is a fundamental property of the universe. I can't remember where I read that though ... oh, wait ...

I guess it's one thing to read about spiritual experiences and another to have them and integrate them into your personality.

[Ian Wardell]

I just get a message saying I cannot view the video from my location (I'm in the UK).

[Michael Prescott]

"understand that love is a fundamental property of the universe."

Does that include love for the victims?

[Sandy]

Whenever I see these stories about celebrities acting badly I tend to just tune them out. You never know what was orchestrated for a better story. I would hope the legal system can deal with abusive spouses no matter how famous (or infamous) they are.

[Bruce Siegel]

" I can't remember where I read that though ... oh, wait ...."

People who have NDE's also tend to avoid beating up other people with their insights.

[Hope Rivers]

An interesting analysis by Dr Glassman

"Mel Gibson’s Verbal Tirade Towards His Baby’s Mother, Oksana Reveals A Narcissistic, Control Freak Who’s Suffering from the “Madonna/ Whore Syndrome”

http://tiny.cc/q8ixi

[Larry]

Seeing some kind of equivalence between delusional psychotic verbal violence and bigotry and people suffering from some kind of physical handicap is actually incredibly insulting to people suffering from some kind of physical handicap. There is no comparison, it doesn't even make any sense whatsoever.

Using this kind of twisted logic, one can justify all kinds of hatred and calls to violence as merely something to pity in its practicioners, as just a handicap, an emotional disturbance, and we should reserve judgment. Sure it's a handicap, doesn't mean it shouldn't be called out on and called what it is - delusional, psychotic, destructive, violent and barbaric. Unless you want to pretend that there is no such thing as violence, bigotry and barbarity or we must not be judgmental on this front - call a spade a spade - merely because we are all one humanity and interconnected on some deeper level, yes so?

I betcha that people justifying and excusing mad Mel's behaviour as an "emotional disturbance" have been far more harshly critical and condemnatory of others who have said things much less violent and hateful.

[Bruce Siegel]

"I betcha that people justifying and excusing mad Mel's behaviour as an "emotional disturbance"

Are you referring to any of the comments or commenters here on this site? I trust you're not talking about me, because I'm neither justifying nor excusing.

I do speak of compassion—for the perpetrator as well as the victim— but that's a different thing entirely.

I don't know about you, but I don't find it so easy to put myself in a separate category from Mel Gibson and simply leave it at that. I've never punched anyone, but I have hurt people terribly through words I've said and judgments I've made.

Often, it's not that I want to make those judgments, you understand. They're just there, running through my mind, before I can do a thing about them.

Honestly, I don't think that makes me different from most people.

No—I don't excuse his behavior. Not in the least. And I do want to be protected from people who might physically harm me or others. I wouldn't have a problem with him doing jailtime, if it comes to that.

In that sense, his behavior merits quite a different response from mine.

But how can I not feel compassion?

[Tharpa]

A classic showdown here between Mother and Father wisdom. Mother says love 'em the way they are, unconditionally. People pretty much do their best, and life is hard. Evil boils down to ignorance.

Dad says Bullshit- it's not that bad and people can do a lot better. No excuses.

So, issues of free will are always tough. I try to keep the Mother and Father together- one without the other is a dysfunctional family!

[Michael Prescott]

Tharpa, I like your analogy about Mom and Dad wisdom.

Meanwhile, yet another Gibson tape has been released:

tiny.cc/pul87

(Naturally, content warning for extreme profanity, etc.)

For those scoring at home, this makes five tapes so far. More to come? Undoubtedly.

The Daily Beast has an interesting story about a few (a very few) conservative bloggers who are trying to defend Gibson. One is John Derbyshire, whom I've long regarded as a total ass. His comments on Gibson do nothing to change my opinion.

Derbyshire is quoted as saying: “Clearly Mel's a guy who's deeply unhappy some of the time and finds relationships with women difficult. Still I'd maintain that ‘a guy who's deeply unhappy some of the time and finds relationships with women difficult’ describes a largish portion of male humanity—one in three at the very minimum. What's the fuss?”

tiny.cc/afg0m

So "one in three" men "at the very minimum" beats up his girlfriend, threatens to murder her, and screams at her in psychotic rage? I certainly hope this is not true.

Derbyshire's nonchalant attitude about spousal abuse ("What's the fuss?") is the main reason I find this story worth covering. Judging by comments I've read on other websites (*not* this one), too many people seem willing to shrug off Gibson's behavior by saying, "Boys will be boys." This attitude only perpetuates a cycle of abuse. It also shows an extreme disregard for the rights and well-being of women.

Frankly, it just toasts my cheese.

[Bruce Siegel]

"A classic showdown here between Mother and Father wisdom. Mother says love 'em the way they are, unconditionally"

Interesting point, Tharpa. I've heard it expressed that way before. But in some families, it seems to be just the opposite, doesn't it?

[sanctimonius hypocrite]

There it is a problem in human society that there is too much negativity; hatred, anger, etc.

There is even an entire industry that makes it's money selling hatred. We call it the mass media.

You can be a damper of negativity and work to reduce the problem or you can be a repeater and amplifier of negativity and be part of the problem.

The greatest spiritual teachers have taught, in their various ways, that it is better to be a damper of negativity than an amplifier and repeater.

Are you a part of the solution or part of the problem?

[Bruce Siegel]

"You can be a damper of negativity"

Hi Sanctimonius,

I love your screen name! Hard to get mad at someone with a moniker like that.

And I like your idea, too, but maybe we could express it a little more positively, something along the lines of, say: spreader of the good stuff?

[Michael Prescott]

"Are you a part of the solution or part of the problem?"

I'm part of the problem.

And loving it!

[Hope Rivers]

With the aide of google translator and a relentless curiousity I found this on a Russian website and can confirm there are several others with similar information and all names mentioned have been consistent.

I will say this may explain the battered and bruised ego of Mel Gibson and his tirade but definitely don't condone his actions/behaviour. It takes two too tango and a classic case of reaping what one sows maybe appropriate here.

Just to make the biography clearer Oksana left Russia to go to London at 21 years of age.

http://persona.rin.ru/view/fall/0/37867/grigoreva-oksana

"Parents Oksana lived in Saransk - taught musical college in Saransk . Now both retired . From them Oksana and inherited the passion for music. Mom first time, placed her at the piano, when the baby was only three years. Oksana received Music education in piano.

In 19 years, a student of the Kazan Conservatory , came marry. Her husband also was a student. But the marriage quickly disintegrated , and Oksana went to the UK. First, taking care of an elderly Englishwoman, gave lessons in his spare time Games the piano , free concerts in churches.

Resend marry. The second her husband was English artist Nicholas Rowland , who was 19 years older than Grigoryeva ( her then 22 years old ). But together They , again , lived long.

Oksana settled as a waitress in a cafe in the heart of London, caught the eye of Patrick Ansen , a cousin of Prince Charles and the official photographer royal family . Soon the fashion magazines had stopped its proposals .

Stav Model, Oksana replaced his father's name on the parent Chernukha - Grigorieva. At one of the London Film Festival in 1993 , Nikita Mikhalkov asked her to work as an interpreter . So she met with the star of 'James Bond ' British actor Timothy Dalton , who became her third husband.

In 1996 , thanks to Dalton Oksana snyalas in low-budget love thriller 'A to Zen'. Widely known film never received , but in 1997 it was shown at the Edinburgh Film Festival .

In the picture Oksana got the role of sympathetic Russian idealist Katie, who arrives in London search a better life and begins to twist an affair with a mysterious stranger.
- With Oksana was very pleased work- says one member of the crew - she hardworking , selfless , and surprisingly modest . It beautiful and very good looks on the screen .

On screen young Grigoriev can learn with great difficulty - Russian pianist starred in this film even before they had plastic surgery . And if you compare her looks 'then and now ' , clearly marked : Oksana changed the shape of the nose, making him a more direct snub nose , lips pumped with silicone and, apparently, removed wrinkles around the eyes, because they cut substantially changed. Add to this silicone implants, and thus turns out that Grigorieva moved at least four plastic surgery.

Meanwhile relations Grigorieva with Dalton began to fall apart . Oksana birth star of ' Bond ' son Alexander, but the marriage is not saved. The reason for parting with Oksana Dalton , on Rumor, served as her romance with a Swedish businessman Peter Blomquist .
Divorce Dalton in 2005, Oksana moved to the United States. This is where the 35- year-old pianist and began to make plastics , seeking to improve their appearance and make a new life overseas .

Try his charms on senescent Timati Russian beauty has decided to take ' the Chief prize' my life - Mel Gibson. And in this it is difficult to blame : in his youth Actor was simply irresistible , and , perhaps Oksana was quite sincere in his feelings.

C Gibson Oksana met , when he went shooting new movie. Attributable Star Production company Oksana invited to write for a soundtrack. However , they began dating , according to his mother Oksana, only in 2006, already after Actor and his wife ceased to live together ( but not yet officially divorced ).

For the first time as a couple of them could contemplate at the premiere movie ' X-Men : The Beginning . Wolverine '. Love Mel Gibson and Oksana GrigorievaPublicly held each other 's hands and did not hide their feelings . Moreover, the press leaked the information that 39- year-old Oksana already at the fourth month Pregnancy.

Gibson's wife , with whom he lived in wedlock 28 years , immediately filed for divorce. Naturally , the children Mel (and they had seven ) , were not delighted when he told them news that will soon again become a dad. Gibson's elder sons - 26 -year-old twins Edward and Christian hired a lawyer to protect trust funds from a possible alteration of the inheritance . Yes, and ex-wife Robin Gibson suing the lion's share of the $ 900 million earned by Mel , because she did not like to give some of the money the future child her unfaithful spouse.

Nevertheless , close Grigorieva believe that Oksana in the misfortunes of the family Gibson not to blame . Although the family Russian mistress Actor extremely reluctant to talk about relations Oksana and Mel , but still insists : the couple Gibson was all bad long before the meeting Actor with the Russian beauty .

- He separated from his wife three years ago , so to speak , that Oksana broke their marriage - complete nonsense , - a mother Oksana Ludmila Chernukha in one interview - Mel has lived with his wife for a long time, so it is natural that sooner or later he would have met the other woman. Just so happened that it became Oksana.

In the meantime, go RumorsThat love Oksana to Melo is not a fluke , as they say her parents . Moreover, their acquaintance allegedly had a hand in the famous Russian pander , the owner of the famous marriage agency in Russia Peter Listerman .

' I'll tell you a secret - it all started with that in the past year in America, I met with Oksana Tchernuha ( Grigorieva ) - The former wife of Timothy Dalton. This girl I know very long time and even took part in her life ' - he said in an interview with the newspaper Saransk ' Capital G ' ( Listerman , as well as Oksana Grigorieva, Grew up in Saransk - Prim . Ed .) . - ' At that time , her marriage with Timothy collapsed , so Oksana asked me to help with the arrangement of personal life : First, I introduced Chernukha on film set movie ' On the edge of darkness ' , where played Gibson . Arranged so that my compatriot was write music this film. Mel quickly at her ardor : '. But how plausible this version Dating Hollywood star and the Russian pianist or shocking marriage agency owner something glossed over , is unknown .

After recording his first solo album under the leadership of the beloved, October 30, 2009 Oksana Grigorieva to bore him a daughter Anna Lucia . Since then, the couple ran into trouble.

In particular, the press has been scandalous interview known pornoprodyusera Violet Koval, in which she acknowledged that clash with Gibson in Sex relationsUntil Oksana was pregnant.

Woman told that she had Sex relations with actor for three months. Roman pornoprodyusera and Hollywood star lasted just at a time when Grigorieva waiting for them to Mel 's daughter Lucia. Gibson met with his secret mistress in his mansion in Malibu and in the office in Santa Monica . Violet confessed that she was really impressed sexy feats of 54- year old Gibson .

And although the lawyer Mel Gibson has already stated that all historyTold by Violet Koval "absurd and fabricated , " a confirmation of the authenticity of his words Violet has successfully passed the lie-detector test .

In a couple and violent quarrels , often arriving in to battering by Gibson.

In June 2010 the court forbade contact with Gibson Grigorieva . This decision was taken during consideration of the application Grigorieva , who accused Actor domestic violence. Oksana conducted a paternity test , after which the couple signed a contract: Gibson Oksana pay $ 10 million after birth girlsAnd would pay for 40,000 a month until her daughter is 18 years old).

At the moment, police are investigating the statement of the fact of physical violence . The incident occurred in January in California Gibson 's house in the area of Malibu . U.S. media have reported that Actor double hit Oksana fist in the face and knocked her teeth, while in the hands of Grigorieva at this point was their daughter, Lucia. Later, doctors recorded Oksana concussion . By the way , according to TMZ.com, police departments in Los Angeles are going to interrogate 12- year-old son Russian women and ask him some facts related to the charges against the star . Son Oksana from a previous marriage , 12- year-old Alexander , lives with his mother in California in a house bought for her production company, Mel Gibson .

Sources say the site that the 12- year-old Alexander Dalton never seen an ugly fight between Gibson and Grigorieva, which resulted in Actor kicked his ex - lover teeth . Nevertheless , Alexander - the son from his marriage to Gregor actor Timothy Dalton - lived with Mel, and Oksana , while they were together , so the investigators believe it is very important witness . " Moreover, at a time when Gibson and Grigorieva quarrel , he was nearby, heard their screams and saw his mother after the beating . Oksana Law enforcement officials had already given consent to the questioning of his son.

Against the background of these events , Gibson suggested Grigorieva $ 20 million in favor of their common child 20% of the time spent with his father.

But Oksana rejected proposals to her millions, as unwilling to share custody of baby Lucia . " Over time, these 20 % may develop into a 50% " , - quotes Grigorieva her representative . He added that, according to Gregor , even those 20% of the time, which girl would carry with her father - is too much.

" After the shocking incident, she became convinced that Gibson should not be left alone with Lucia " , - quotes RadarOnline.com representative pianist .

Previously released recordings RadarOnline.com scandals Mel Gibson and Oksana Grigorieva, where Actor "Three " curses explains former lover that she was disappointed with how woman and he is against any further relations. It seems that this fact better etched in her mind, Gibson throughout the recording insults and humiliates Russian women.

Lawyers Grigoryeva claimed in court that woman began to record his conversations with Gibson, because, as a victim of domestic violence , feared for his life .

It was later released third audiotape scandalous conversations Mel Gibson with Oksana Grigorieva , who published a website Radaronline.com.

Heard on the records like an angry Mel Gibson says Oksana Grigorieva , that it deserves a kick in the head with a club , threatening to kill her and bury. Grigorieva replied that he once answer for this. When asked Gibson if she does not threaten him , woman said that she was " not one of those who threaten . What Actor answers that will bury her in the garden because it can do it . Coming from the record , we can conclude that Gibson hit Grigoriev fist in the face .

Actress use the audio as evidence of his testimony that Actor knocked out her teeth . After the sound of impact is heard the voice Grigorieva , who angrily asked Gibson : that he for manIf knocked out teeth womanWhich is holding the hands of his Child. What Actor said that she deserved this .

Gibson has consistently said that he had done for Oksana everything I could, and got nothing in return . Actor accuses her friend that she used it and never loved. Actor Oksana said that will no longer pay for her Music career , to which she replies: "I do not care if you did not spend a penny on me . I do not care I just fear for the life of my daughter . " In response to Gibson's allegations that she left him when he stopped to spend her money Grigorieva answers : "Because I am saving my life and my daughter ! " You almost killed us , you forgot ? "

Following the publication of the latest audio Gibson could face new charges . Actor may impute not only domestic violence but also the threat of death in respect Grigorieva.

The first two tapes submitted as evidence in court , has significantly shaken the position of Gibson in the society and put an end to his reputation . But not because of family problems - all far worse . At one of the films Actor calls blacks " niggers " .

And on the third record , in addition to the usual torrent of abuse against Oksana , Mel's conversation responds extremely pejorative and Latin Americans. Actor calls them " mokrozh ... pymi Latino " that the U.S. is considered extremely offensive . Oh all sorts of things , but racist attacks in the United States do not forgive : politically incorrect Americans fear like the plague .

Immediately after the appearance of compromising audio in Internet contract actor interrupted company William Morris Endeavor Entertainment, which worked with him over 30 years. "Nobody has come up to him closer than 10 feet "- told the Hollywood Reporter source in WME.

Premiere of movie with Gibson called "Beaver " postponed indefinitely . Director of the film was made by Jodie Foster. Gibson plays in film lone and lonely man . From the outset of the trial Gibson and Grigorieva critics wrote that the project was in jeopardy.

Mel Gibson has already encountered problems in the professional field because of his unbridled temper. In 2006, he became known for his anti-Semitic statements , after which the head of one of the studios said that he would not work with Gibson , even if it will be the last actor on earth .

Пока Court to act, Grigorieva arrived in MoscowWhich intends to apply to a psychologist for a series of consultations. As mother of Grigorieva, Oksana is on the verge of a nervous breakdown and chose to resolve family problems known specialists on the "Star " problems Russian Psychologist Svetlana Beliaev .

Svetlana Belyaeva , previously participated in the group "Lyceum ", is a professor of psychology at MSU and the author of several techniques for personal growth . Among its services are resorted Celebrity as Olga Slutsker , Christina Orbakaite , Jan Rudkovskaya etc. - Belyaeva renowned ability to bring people back to normal after a difficult divorce and the carve-up of children.

Psychology itself as a comment on the situation refused, citing medical confidentiality.

By the way , after the break with Gregor Gibson returned to his wife."

[RabbitDawg]

Not only has Mel's first wife filed a sworn affidavit in court that he had never struck her in over 25 years of marriage, but...

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=11169736

Oops!

[Art]

I've read some horror stories on the internet about men who married Russian mail order brides. Russian women who married elderly American men and then took them to the cleaners and women who married men who turned out to be abusive alcoholics. I'm thinking these girls aren't as naive as what they might appear. They know how to skin the rabbit.

[Mel Gibson]

William,
You are not a sanctimonious hypocrite. You are very likeable.

[Michael Prescott]

"Oops!" - RabbitDawg

I'n not buying the "doctored tapes" defense. You can clearly hear the two voices overlapping. Besides, there's no possible context in which Gibson's behavior would be appropriate.

"They know how to skin the rabbit." - Art

That may well be true. Oksana is surely no innocent. But nobody deserves that kind of abuse.

[Ben]

Mel,
Amusing! But no, it won’t do.

William tends to avoid semicolons. He wouldn’t use the phrase “repeater and amplifier” and he wouldn’t use the commas to make the subordinate clause “in their various ways”.

William’s taking a well-earned break. But if you miss him that much, here’s something he prepared earlier (from the Christian Bale thread):

“Oh the price of arrogance. Nations have self destructed over arrogance.

What we sow we reap. That is the law of progress without this law I suspect there would be little if any progress in soul evolution. Just because someone has compassion for this man does not mean he can escape this law. Compassion is about understanding not forgiveness. Compassion is love in action and is a very rare phenomenon in this world. Most confuse sympathy and empathy with compassion.

“God may have compassion but, Hell is not sitting there for no reason.”

Oh how the ego loves to condemn others to hell. When we condemn others we condemn ourselves. Why would an ego condemn anyone to hell?

I suspect it is self hate projected outward, as it is too painful to deal with by looking into a mirror.”

[RabbitDawg]

"I'm not buying the "doctored tapes" defense. You can clearly hear the two voices overlapping. Besides, there's no possible context in which Gibson's behavior would be appropriate." - Michael Prescott

Yep, if the recording was doctored, the words had to originate somewhere, in some context. And I seriously doubt that it was invented from whole cloth.
However, if 'adjustments' were made and proven, I imagine that it would make them inadmissible in court, at minimum.

This, too, is no "get out of jail free" card for either one of them.

As the tapes progress, Mel sounds more and more like a psychotic wounded animal, and Oksana progressively sounds like an sweet, innocent little girl. It's obviously real, yet staged at the same time.

What kind of parenting are we looking at here? An unbalanced bore versus a gold-digging opportunist? Or a couple of incompatible folks having a really bad phase of life?
Maybe somewhere in between...

[RabbitDawg]

Also, if the recordings are proven to be doctored, wouldn't Mel have a basis for a lawsuit somewhere here? Maybe several lawsuits.

Oh no! If so, this may end up becoming one of those distracting Hollywood cases that never seems to go away. Obama and the Congress Critter's are gonna love it.

[dmduncan]

This is day 8 of Crisis in the Mel. Somebody plug the damn leak already.

[Mel]

Ben,
Could you explain the meaning of that 'quote' to me. I'm just a dumb movie star.

[dmduncan]

I think at the point he is alleged to have hit her — and I don't know that he did, but if he did, then at that time — I don't think she was his "significant other" anymore. From the tapes he sounds like he hates her, and that his hatred has been brewing for a while. More than anything else he probably hates himself for the choices he made which he is blaming her for.

I like Mel. I still like him. I think he's as funny and crazy a man as many of the characters he plays, and I pray this doesn't totally destroy him.

In some ways what happened could be looked at as a blessing. He has taken a mighty fall, but I think it's highly unlikely he's going to have an OJ moment. I think the rage that we hear is the pressure blowing off that will save him from that.

And without this kind of public collapse it's also unlikely he would have been forced to deal with his problems. So I think the collapse gives him a real chance to recover as well. I hope that he takes it. I hope that he learns to see that all the deals the devil puts in front of you when you exist in the faux reality of Hollywood are precisely that — the mass delusions of an insane local populace that believes it is the center of all the things that are important.

[Ben]

"Could you explain the meaning of that 'quote' to me. I'm just a dumb movie star."

No Mel, you're just a very naughty boy.

[Sandy]

It's hard to understand people sometimes...

Today I went grocery shopping with my husband. Things were busy and parking spots were rare, so he parked in a spot that wasn't very big. The mini van in the spot next to ours was well over the line, but our car is small, so we made do.

When we came out from the store this woman was putting her groceries into the mini van. I could see a toddler strapped into a child seat in the back. The woman started yelling at my husband that, according to her son, when my husband got out of our car he hit her car with the door and left a mark.

I couldn't see a mark on her car, but honestly that wasn't the first thing that concerned me. The first thing out of my mouth was, "You're worried about your car, but you left a child unattended in a vehicle in this heat?"

The woman started swearing at me and hurried to drive out of the parking lot like a crazed idiot. I have to say I'm still worried about that kid riding in the back seat.

At least Mel's wife is an adult and has some control over which crazy people she hangs out with. That poor kid in the car will have to put up with his situation for who knows how long.

[Neil Parille]

I don't know if the tapes have been 'doctored,' but there is something suspicious about them. At the very least the woman knows how to push the guy's buttons to make him say the worst possible things. Of course there's no excuse for the things Gibson says.

[Natalie]

Oksana had a script written and provoked Mel. If somebody has doubts: go through all her interviews. Does not matter what she is saying - she always lying - it's her nature.
She always sounds and looks false.
And she will go till the end to get millions.
She tricked many men - let us hope she will trick the court.

[Natalie]

Sorry, I meant. let us hope she will not trick the court.

[Art]

"At the very least the woman knows how to push the guy's buttons to make him say the worst possible things." - Neil Parille
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That's what I meant when I said "she knows how to skin the rabbit." Targeting rich older men with obvious mental problems. Their youth fading away from them they have something to prove so they latch onto these exotic somewhat attractive women who then proceed to start pushing the right buttons to get what they want. It's almost like a co-dependent relationship; only I am suspicious if always in the back of her mind there was the underlying thought that if things went south she was still going to come out on top. It's almost like these women talk amongst themselves and trade secrets on how to "skin the rabbit."

[Bruce Siegel]

"She tricked many men"

It just occurred to me: Some of us are saying it's his fault. Some are saying, no she's the guilty party here.

Hey folks, it takes two to tango. These two have been together for a while, right? (I don't know the specifics.) Don't you think at a certain point, she knew what she was getting herself into? And don't you think the same goes for him?

This is NOT to let Gibson off the hook. If he physically injured her, maybe he should do jail time.

I just don't buy the argument that in a long-term consensual relationship, one person is the villain and the other the victim. It's never as simple as that.

Both are responsible for what happens. Each has certain needs, and each makes compromises (particularly in a seriously flawed relationship like this) in order to meet those needs.


Make sense?

[Bruce Siegel]

"each makes compromises"

Change that last sentence to: each puts up with certain compromises.

[Michael Prescott]

"Hey folks, it takes two to tango. These two have been together for a while, right? (I don't know the specifics.) Don't you think at a certain point, she knew what she was getting herself into? And don't you think the same goes for him?"

That's true. In abusive relationships, there is an abuser and there is an enabler. The enabler makes excuses for the abuser, keeps forgiving him, and pretends that "he really loves me and this time he's sorry."

There are some people who seek out this kind of unhealthy relationship. Look at the women who dated OJ Simpson after his acquittal, or who write love letters to serial killers.

Then there's the gold-digger angle. Oksana previously married Pierce Brosnan, had a child with him, and divorced him, presumably netting a large settlement.

I doubt she's an angel. She's either seriously self-sabotaging or seriously manipulative, or both.

But what interests me is Gibson's meltdown. Here's a guy who, at one time, was viewed as one of Hollywood's good guys, a family man with solid moral values, unspoiled by fame. That image took a series of hits in recent years and now has totally blown up, and we're left with the reality of a drunken, bipolar lunatic making anti-Semitic and racist comments while he threatens his girlfriend and screams at her to sexually service him.

Lo, how the mighty have fallen!

[Michael Prescott]

Oops. I wrote, "Oksana previously married Pierce Brosnan ..."

I was confusing one Bond with another. She married Timothy Dalton, not Pierce Brosnan.

Also, in the main post I refer to Oksana as Gibson's wife, but actually she was his live-in girlfriend (and mother of his child).

[Roger Knights]

"Troubled Mel 'leaving the States' after selling his New York mansion at cut price"

Read more (Daily Mail)

[Roger Knights]

On the talk-radio show Coast to Coast AM tonight (Sunday):

Paranormal & Psychical Research

Jeffrey Kripal, Chair of the Department of Religious Studies at Rice University, will share his historical analysis of the paranormal and psychical research. Hosted by George Knapp.