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Interesting analysis. I think the Monk character fits into that paradigm as well.

However, I don't think Columbo fits, one of TVs all time great characters. Columbo was unkempt and appeared to be a buffoon, but he was crazy like a fox. Everything about him seemed designed to lull the suspect into a false sense of security. They thought they were dealing with an idiot. In fact they were dealing with an appearance which a brilliant detective put forward, and this was always the flaw in their scheming that got the criminals caught.

I don't like these extremely dichotomized characters, so you've given me a good reason never to read one of Larsson's books.

I'm also tired of the short skinny girl being able to kick anyone's ass meme. When is that one going to run out of gas?

"I'm also tired of the short skinny girl being able to kick anyone's ass meme."

Yeah, it was cool when Buffy did it, but it's been done to death. It reached the point of literal parody with the movie "Kick-Ass," in which (from what I understand) a 13-year-old girl beats up the bad guys.

You know, there aren't very many fictional female characters that I find very compelling. I was trying very hard to think of one just now and all I could come up with was Anne Shirley, from the Anne of Green Gables books. I never even read those books as a kid. I finally read one as an adult just before visiting PEI, where the story takes place. I was curious about the fanaticism many Japanese women show for Anne. There were bus loads of them all over PEI, each with a red-haired tour guide to show them "everything Anne".

Anne was a very endearing little girl whose main failings were being an orphan and having red hair. Her brightness of spirit overcomes such problems in the stories. I guess Japanese women don't have anything like an Anne in their own literature. Anne of Green Gables has never been out of print since its initial publication in 1908.

Let's see Salander top that!

it seems that characters such as Salander were created for targeted readers, who have at least many flaws if not all as the character but none of the bells and whistles. and the supernatural abilities are so extreme that it boils down to this: so you're short, skinny, anorexic, or flat chested- so the only thing you can do is to fantasizing- your own lives carry no meaning, and you are bound to live trivial life with only your fantasy character that you identify yourself with.

i think that's really sending the wrong message. I love Jack Ryan for being a man who tries to stand by his principle, and who had to make compromises in life, and who dealt with pressure by smoking- very human. I love Kay Scarpetta because she is very human with many weakness- but a very skilled medical examiner even though she lacks intuition, which her niece helps in completing. I love Harry Potter because he was by no way perfect, nor did he have super power- but he has character and heart that we look up to and we're able to achieve to.

this Salander character contains so many physical flaws (as perpetuated by the media and the 'norms'), and comes from a rough childhood that it's so easy for today's growing socially awkward, angry, and physically unfit, and promiscuous youths to identify themselves with her. so instead of encouraging them to change their lifestyles, to be more positive in their outlooks, and to lead purposeful lives, they are told that it's ok to be that way, as long you can fantasize what You could have been.

another today's modern character that really annoys me is the girl in Twilight.

this link said it all:

why i hate twilight

another empty character with no personality that girls can identify themselves with.

sigh

The meme reached zenith with Buffy.

Twilight is the self indulgent vapid teen fantasy life of Meyers that reads like a series of stories in spiral bound notebooks, handwritten during high school classes in which she wasn't paying attention.

Interesting analysis Michael, of the sort of character it takes to keep some readers reading. I wanted to find out more about this author who created a character who is so deeply challenged in friendship and matters of the heart. As it turns out, he died of "a massive heart attack" according to Wikipedia.

A connection? Some psychotherapists would say that a "closed" heart is more susceptible to physical disease. But I'm assuming an awful lot here.

"all I could come up with was Anne Shirley, from the Anne of Green Gables books."

Sandy, I love Anne of Green Gables! The PBS series is television at its very best, for my money. Such a strong, resourceful, girl, and surrounded by such a loving (for the most part) community.

And what does Anne value above all else? Imagination! What's more metaphysical than that.

Which reminds me of what is perhaps my single favorite work of fiction: The Little House on the Prairie series. Though in this case, it's the books I love, and not the TV series.

Every ten years or so I read through the entire 8 or so books.

"On the one hand, they give us the opportunity to fantasize about having nearly superhuman abilities, while on the other hand they allow us to feel better about who we actually are...."

seems like a right on analysis, MP. What an interesting marketing ploy.

I'm not a big fiction reader, but when I do indulge, I like the story and characters' attributes to be well researched and based on interesting facts, history, scientific theories, etc.

For example, in a series with books 700 pages long I would expect to see some in depth recanting of Salander's long and arduous study of martial arts techniques derived from the authors research of this topic.... or the detail concerning her computer hacking methodologies (again based on actual processes and procedures used by top notch hackers).

I can't handle it when characters just somehow have these talents because then the whole thing seems, to me, to be shallow fantasy with poorly developed personalities. The back story of how they developed adds depth.

"I'm not a big fiction reader, but when I do indulge, I like the story and characters' attributes to be well researched and based on interesting facts, history"

I agree, Erich, and that reminds me of one of the reasons I'm so fond of the Little House series (which I mentioned in this thread but don't expect to find too many fellow devotees of here. :o) )

It's a record of the author's childhood as her family traversed and settled the American frontier in the 1800's, and is jam-packed with her observations on the weather, land, plants, food, people, history, music, animals and so forth. It's an impossible-to-invent picture of a country that still was, in many places, unchanged since the arrival of the Europeans.

And for me, the story has a special magic because it's all seen through the eyes of a child, and described so simply and plainly.

These kinds of characters also seem to be saying that being a hero is screwed up and not worth the trouble. Stay "mediocre" and you'll be happier.

Oh—something else you might like about the series, Erich, seeing as how I picture you as someone living close to the land.

The books describe, often in great detail, how Pa built a door and latch for his cabin, molded bullets for his rifle, how the food was preserved and prepared, how snow shoes were made, and so on.

Hi Bruce, I read the Little House series as a child and I remember watching it on tv as well. Until now, I had pretty much forgotten all about it. Thanks for the suggestion. I imagine if I pick it up again - which I just might do - as an adult I'll enjoy more facets of the stories.

One interesting thing about the Little House books is that, while they were attributed to Laura Ingalls Wilder, they were written at least in part by her daughter, Rose Wilder Lane, the noted libertarian polemicist and author of "The Discovery of Freedom." Wilder Lane didn't want to be known as an author of children's books, so she let her mother take full credit. Ironically, those books are better remembered today than Wilder Lane's "serious" work ...

"Wilder Lane didn't want to be known as an author of children's books, so she let her mother take full credit. Ironically, those books are better remembered today than Wilder Lane's "serious" work ..."

Ha!

"they were written at least in part by her daughter, Rose Wilder Lane, the noted libertarian polemicist and author of "The Discovery of Freedom."

Wow—I knew that Rose Wilder Lane played a significant role in writing the Little House books, and that she was a noted author in her own right, but had no idea that she was also one of the the founders of the libertarian movement. Now that I know that the Little House story ends up in Ayn Rand's backyard, so to speak, I may never be able to read it in the same way!

So much for innocence.

I just read the very rich article on Lane on Wikipedia. The lady was evidently a firebrand. And it's interesting to see that there's still great disagreement as to how much of a role she actually played in writing the Little House books.

But the benefits flowed in both directions. To quote Wikipedia:

"Lane's editing skills brought the dramatic pacing, literary structure, and characterization needed to make the stories publishable in book form. In fact, this collaboration benefited Lane's career as much as her mother's – many of Lane's most popular short stories and her two most commercially successful novels were written at this time and were fueled by material which was taken directly from her mother's recollections of Ingalls-Wilder family folklore—Let the Hurricane Roar (later retitled Young Pioneers) and Free Land, both addressed the difficulties of homesteading in the Dakotas in the late 1800s, and how the "free land" in fact cost many homesteaders their life savings. The Saturday Evening Post paid Lane large fees to serialize both novels, and both were also adapted for highly popular radio performances."

Ayn Rand was not a libertarian. Libertarians were just another one of many groups she derided. Unfortunately, I think many people come to discover free market principles through Ayn Rand — principles which she also believed in — and then go on to behave as if she invented it following the principles of objectivism.

Ayn Rand wasn't a mean old nut because she believed in the free market. She was a mean old nut because she created an impracticable philosophy, ignored outside dissent, gathered followers to it, intimidated inside dissenters, and presided over her creation with a Stalinesque demeanor, not to mention just being an incorrigible bitch to her poor husband.

I'm just now finishing The God of the Machine, by Isabel Paterson, who was once a "mentor" to Ayn Rand. I think it's an excellent book, that has some important ideas. Paterson was brilliant. I'm going to have to read it several times to fully understand her theory.

Unlike Ayn Rand, Paterson does recognize man as a spiritual being having a soul.

Hmm ... This deliberately exaggerated balance of good and bad traits, including an anti-social personality, plus idiosyncratic eccentricities, can be found in Holmes. Also in Nero Wolfe. MP, I'd like your thoughts on that. You may have a bigger fish on your line than you thought.

Good point, Roger. I think Dr. House was patterned after Holmes -- right down to his name (house = home). And House's best friend is Dr. Wilson (= Dr. Watson). House, like Holmes, has a substance abuse problem, sometimes lodges with Wilson/Watson, has various eccentricities, etc.

Actually I don't think I've ever watched a complete episode of House, so this is just my impression based on reading about the show.

I haven't read the Nero Wolfe books. But you're probably right that this thing goes back a long way.

Another example is Hannibal Lecter, who combines outsized intellect, wit, and resourcefulness with outsized savagery and sadism. I suppose Count Dracula also counts, for the same reasons. And the more memorable James Bond villains, too.


A friend of mine just sent me a link to this dead-on parody of the "Girl" books:

tiny.cc/wlogi

By the way, after the first 150 pages of "The Girl Who Played with Fire," I lost interest. Too much stuff about magazine editorial board meetings and meaningless sex. The Girl herself started getting on my nerves, too. Apparently Nora Ephron felt the same way (see aforementioned URL).

Or maybe I'm just jealous that a dead guy is having a better career than I ever did ...

Oh, I get it: what makes Larsson's books so hot right now is that they're cartoons. Which is exactly what James Bond was. And it's no great feat to predict that, although jet hot today and blurbed by all the gliteratti, like the Bond of fiction, Salander will soon enough become an embarrassment, to be denied and disavowed as the literary equivalent of bubblegum.

From your detailed description (thanks for that btw - unless you are that savant who can toss off para after para without real thought or revision, you obviously invest real care and craft in your blog, which to me is extraordinary) I think I can make something out about why she's popular, at least with young adults. The attraction is not what's different - a fantasy identification between the reader and the protagonist.

What has changed, for worse IMO, is that so many young adults think they want to be this sad, dead robot. Her "attributes" are what they value, even down to the bought boobs; while her Tragic Flaws are the "cool" ones: sexual victimization, resultant alienation and incipient cruelty.

Oh yeah, I'll be putting down Homer and Tom Wolfe this summer to get me some of that Salander, you betcha.

For the record, I did finish reading "The Girl Who Played with Fire." It went a bit long in spots, and I had trouble keeping the minor characters straight because there are a lot of them and they have similar names. (For instance, two editors at the hero's magazine are Berger and Varger. I never could tell them apart.) But the story offered some good twists, and Salander is a memorable (albeit weird) heroine.

Would I read the other two books in the trilogy? Maybe. "Played with Fire" was a generally entertaining read, even if it's not the thriller-to-end-all-thrillers that some critics have made it out to be.

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