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Here's the interesting NDE of a 13 year old girl named Lynn being reunited with her deceased pets during her NDE. These two deceased dogs of hers were even the very first souls that greeted her during her NDE ...

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/animals02.html

"The ride through the tunnel was like nothing else. I remember thinking, "So this is death."

The tunnel was dark, and every once in a while something that looking like lightning would flash across my path. These flashes were brilliant in color and didn't scare me. At the end of the tunnel was a bright light.

From the light came two dogs of mine. One was a collie named Mimi who had died three years previously from an infection, and the other was a box named Sam who had died two years before after being hit by a car. The dogs came running and jumped on me and kissed my face with their tongues. Their tongues weren't wet, and I felt no weight when they jumped on me. The dogs seemed to glow from a light that was inside them.

I recall saying to myself, "Thank you, God, for letting my dogs be alive."

I hugged my dogs as tight as I could."

MP wrote: From a spiritualist perspective, this anomaly is not hard to explain. The NDEr meets human beings (and other advanced beings) because they can assist him in making the decision to return to the physical body - or, if he is not coming back, they can assist him in making the transition. They act as guides, imparting information and advice. A pet can't play this role.

If he is not coming back then he is not having a near-death experience he is having a 'death experience'.

Although the NDE might, in some respects be similar to a transition, only the latter is final.

My pets have returned at seances so I have no doubt that they will be there to greet me when I pass over.

One of the pieces of evidence that my grandfather gave me at a Leslie Flint Direct Voice seance was that he had his two dogs with him and he named them.

I, too, have just finished reading Dr. Long’s interesting book, and also Dr. Woerlee’s critique thereof. In my opinion most of Dr. Woerlee’s arguments, not only the one on hypoperfusion of blood to the brain, are inadequate. Hail Mary passes that fall short of the end zone.
As to MP’s remarks on animals in the afterlife, I recall several references to animals that I have come across, but being a disorganized lout and being down to about 6 brain cells I can’t remember where most of them were. Most were not specifically related to NDEs. Anyway, one of them I retrieved, from Sir Oliver Lodge’s book. This is “Feda” communicating information for “Raymond.”

He has brought that doggie again, nice doggie. A doggie that goes like this, and twists about (Feda indicating a wriggle). He has got a nice tail, not a little stumpy tail, nice tail with nice hair on it. He sits up like that sometimes, and comes down again, and puts his tongue out of his mouth. He's got a cat too, plenty of animals, he says. He hasn't seen any lions and tigers, but he sees horses, cats, dogs, and birds. (Raymond, p. 202)

I also remember reading accounts of dogs showing up at séances, hopping onto laps and putting their cold noses on sitters. I just don’t remember where. And somewhere I read an account by an animal-loving communicator who had set up a station for dogs that had “crossed over” to take care of them until their masters arrived. I even think I read once of a NDE where a dog showed up. Drat! Why don’t I take notes?
This is not to be taken to mean that I think that MP’s observations about the general absence of animals in NDE’s is not significant. One would expect that they would show up more often if wish-fulfillment were involved.
And our furry friends are there even if they are not at the head of the line to greet us.
While I’m at it, let me pose a question. In Dr. Long’s book he says that a comparison of NDE’s before and after the publication of Raymond Moody’s book, Life After Life, in 1975 showed only one major difference, the more frequent appearance of tunnels after 1975. My question is this: in earlier accounts of what would later come to be called “near death experiences” and also mediumistic accounts of death, the silver cord was very often remarked on. What happened to the silver cord? Where did it go? Why doesn’t it figure in these later accounts?

Thanks for sharing this, MP. I have not yet purchased the book.
I am happy to see some of elements of [pro-survival] arguments that surfaced in our recent discussion with Keith are addressed by Long.

So, non-western NDEs are similar to western NDEs afterall (contra-Keith) and samples in the studies quoted by Keith were too small; who would have guessed?

While non-western samples in Long's are still small, they are still large enough to be statistically meaningful.

W.Vogt wrote: I also remember reading accounts of dogs showing up at séances, hopping onto laps and putting their cold noses on sitters. I just don’t remember where.

This is not so surprising when we realise that our pets are also spiritual beings temporarily living in a physical body.

There is plenty of evidence of animal survival as the following examples illustrate:

In her book, “When Your Animal Dies” (Spiritualist Press), Sylvia Barbanell says: "I have attended many direct-voice sittings held by Mrs Estelle Roberts, the famous medium, whose psychic gifts have done so much to convince sceptics of the truths of Survival.

"At one of these séances I heard a 'dead' retriever named Long greet his owner. Dr. Margaret Vivian, by barking through the trumpet.

From the same book we are told: "Mr R. H. Saunders, a Spiritualist of considerable knowledge, who has now passed on, has told many interesting stories of animal survival.

In “Psychic News” he wrote: 'When Mrs Blanche Cooper, who is a great animal-lover, was giving séances at the British College of Psychic Science, it was quite a common incident for dogs and cats to materialise, and to be handled for a few minutes."

"He also told of his collie dog which over fifty years ago had to be destroyed.

Once, it manifested at a séance.

Mr Saunders wrote, 'It gave a joyful bark when I called out its name and, as I fondled it, I felt its coat gradually melting under my hands...' "

We read that at a séance with Mrs Etta Wriedt, one of the sitters was told by the medium's guide: " 'There's a horse here belonging to one of you,' at which there was a laugh.

"The guide, with some asperity, said, 'You may laugh, but let me tell you that people here have their horses, dogs and pets.

Ah! you little know the spirit world.'..."

In his booklet “Animals in the Spirit World”, Harold Sharp says:

"When I was six years old we had a dog named Hector. A big lumbering dog.

It knocked me over many times and then would tug at my jacket trying to pull me up again.

If he had been a man instead of a dog I fear that he might well have become a drunkard. I never knew a dog with such a thirst.

He seemed to thrive on drinking.
Every bucket of water, puddle of water, the water in the horses' drinking troughs, dripping taps and if none of these were available he would pull at my mother's skirt and draw her towards the pump.

Hector had been 'dead' for twenty years.

I had almost forgotten his existence until one evening in a physical circle, at the home of Glover Botham in Golders Green, Hector, in full view of everybody, materialised.

There was a large blue china bowl of water on the floor in the centre of the circle as this is thought sometimes to add power to aid various manifestations.

The materialised Hector, unmindful of the purpose for which the water was supplied, set to and very noisily lapped up the whole of it. Then he barked loudly as though to say, 'Wasn't that clever.'

Later we heard that his bark had been heard by the two ladies living next door."

Mr Sharp continues with an interesting account of the return of a bird:
"At about the same time I was at another séance when a lovely blue-green budgerigar materialised in a room, which was in strong red light.

There were eight people present.

Gradually a blue-green mist began to move over the sitters' heads and from this ectoplasmic formation there flew a budgerigar.

It circled around the room then settled on a man's shoulder. He had owned the bird two years previously but it had been 'killed' by a cat.

It evidently recognised its owner, for in a very clear voice – as though appealing to him it said, 'I want a cigarette.'

This made everyone laugh.

It appears that its owner was a chain-smoker and had so often made this remark that the budgie had learned to mimic him."

My own Golden Retriever returned three times at physical seances and a 'dead' cat has also made his presence known.

My question is this: in earlier accounts of what would later come to be called “near death experiences” and also mediumistic accounts of death, the silver cord was very often remarked on. What happened to the silver cord? Where did it go? Why doesn’t it figure in these later accounts?

The silver cord hasn't gone anywhere!

It is still the link between the physical body and the etheric body. Until the cord is severed you cannot 'die'. Some people are aware of it - others not. Perhaps the reason why it doesn't 'figure in these later accounts' is simply because the NDEr didn't notice it.

Zerdini: Do you have any detailed written accounts of any of the 'dead' cats materializing at a seance? I mean, detailed descriptions of the actual event like the specific ones you gave for dogs and birds?

What did any of the 'dead' cats do when they materialized? Meowed and purred? Drank milk from a bowl? Used a litter box? Curled up into a ball and bounced around the room?

I love cats! :3

I've had more than one trusted medium I've encountered zero in on one of my main guides, who is a crazy orange tabby cat named Harold. Who lived in the 1850s in an upper class home with a father and mother and a little kid, and was poisoned by the gardener. He's a rather silly cat, and has appeared to me in my dreams for years.

If he materialized, he'd have everyone rolling with laughter. (Both mediums described him as dressing like Puss-N-Boots from Shrek.) :3

Eteponge: I've never had a cat materialize only had them described to me by a medium apart from those I've seen myself clairvoyantly.

At the present time I have four cats!

At Etta Wriedt's seances, for example, dogs often made their presence known whose owners recognized them by their distinctive barks according to their size and breed.

Pets use to play a big role in childrens`NDEs. Doctor Melvin Morse describes incindences of deceased pets showing up in the NDEs of young children in his book "Closer to the light". He mentiones the fact in general in one of his articles on his webiste. I am not sure, even so I am considering NDEs as "real experiences" opposed to hallucinations if I think that the beings encountered there are "real" or might feflect the individual needs of the individual. If we recognized the reality of deceased relatives unconditionally we also must recognize the reality of Jesus, Buddha or mythological figures in NDEs as well as cartoon figures that - though rarely - happen to be present in childrens`NDEs. I tend to consider the NDE as a transition stage that fulfills the needs of the experiencer but is not fully generated by his own mind but also by overlapping realities before it changes into a truely real experience after the death of the experiences.

Iris, I am in full agreement with what you said, "I tend to consider the NDE as a transition stage that fulfills the needs of the experiencer but is not fully generated by his own mind but also by overlapping realities before it changes into a truely real experience after the death of the experiences."

I base this on my own OBEs (not NDEs) and the Bardo Thordol (Tibetan Book of the Dead).

Spirit horses and other animals frequently appear in Native American NDEs. Though not necessarily "pets", there is an animal motif.

Do all dogs go to heaven? Even pit bull terriers?

Pit bull terriers go to hell with the alsations, rottweilers and those wicked French poodles that look so innocuous...until you get too close and......ruff ruff ruff ruff ruff !!

I tend to think that if I WERE greeted by my pets, I would NOT want to return. LOL I miss them all so much that I dream about them. Maybe if you are greeted by the loving pets you are less likely to return?

"Like the dog that didn't bark in the night, these missing pets may be a clue to the solution of a mystery - in this case, the mystery of the actual nature of the near-death experience. - Michael Prescott
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One more piece to the puzzle, the sum total, or aggregate of which all point in the direction that this life is not all there is, and in fact is just a very small part of who we are and will be.

Anything that is "here" must be "there" because this side is the holographic projection which arises from the holographic film which is the "other side." If it is here it has to be there.

from an interview in National Geographic with Dr. Brian Greene, PhD Physicist from Columbia University:

"In the final chapter of your book, you suggest that the world may be a hologram. That sounds very Matrix-like."

"It's a very speculative idea that seems to, strangely enough, naturally emerge from string theory. Basically, the fundamental laws of the universe don't really operate in the environment around us. They may operate on sort of a distant bounding surface and give rise to the familiar world that we experience in much the same way that a thin piece of plastic, when illuminated correctly—if it's a hologram—can yield a three-dimensional image.

It might be that the deep laws are more like the thin piece of plastic existing on a thin bounding surface. Everything we know might be akin to a holographic projection of those distant laws."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/03/0326_040326_briangreene_2.html
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And that is why the Physics of the other side is so very different from this side.

And that is why the Physics of the other side is so very different from this side.

This is what spirit communicators have always said.

Zerdini: Do you know of any websites or transcripts or anything like that, that has many accounts of materialization sessions of trusted physical mediums? Like, who appeared, what they said and did, etc?

I found one transcript online of a materialization session with Etta Wriedt, from 1911, but I didn't find anymore. The session I came across didn't have any pets materializing though.

It did have many of the sitters' guides materializing, and it reminded me of how downright cartoony guides tend to act. I think that's universal.

“So if the NDE is mere wish fulfillment, a fantasy generated by a dying (or traumatized) brain, where are all the dogs, cats, and horses?”

This is a very interesting analysis and adds more data to the validity of NDE’s and that NDE’s do indeed provide further proof that our consciousness survives our physical body with our identity intact.

The materialist will scream NDE’s do not provide proof without realizing the very definition of the word proof.

“Pit bull terriers go to hell with the alsations, rottweilers and those wicked French poodles that look so innocuous...until you get too close and......ruff ruff ruff ruff ruff !!”

If my memory serves me right pit bulls and rottweilers do not bite any more than other dogs but their jaw strength and they tend to hold their bite longer that makes them much more dangerous if a bite occurs.

Dogs don’t go to hell but some owners who abuse animals may find themselves in a Hades condition. If one believes in the evolution of consciousness process would dogs be the last evolutionary step before arriving on the doorstop of becoming human?

“I tend to consider the NDE as a transition stage that fulfills the needs of the experiencer but is not fully generated by his own mind but also by overlapping realities before it changes into a truly real experience after the death of the experiences”.

Very well stated this is why I believe we must evaluate NDE’s with some caution as they are but a snapshot of the other side. They do provide us with more evidence that life exists beyond this physical world and the brain is not the source of our consciousness and awareness.

Eteponge wrote:

Zerdini: Do you know of any websites or transcripts or anything like that, that has many accounts of materialization sessions of trusted physical mediums? Like, who appeared, what they said and did, etc?

May I suggest you read "Alec Harris: The Full Story of His Remarkable Physical Mediumship".

It is available through Amazon.com or Amazon.co.uk

I sat with Alec in the sixties in South Africa so I can testify to the genuineness of his mediumship.

One question that was posed to me by a skeptic is how far does it go down did the dinosaurs go to a afterlife realm of their own where they were wiped out?. What about crododiles? flies? coyotes? deer? bacteria?. That is a good question i will say that we really don't know.

That's one of my problems with the idea of animals living on as animals in an afterlife, Leo. When a dog dies is it stuck with the same intellect and level of thought that it had here on earth? I'd say it's more likely to be an expansive, general sort of consciousness that survives death, if anything at all.

On the above two points, I read somewhere through some medium, I really can't say where, information regarding pets belonging to a more-or-less mass consciousness. They're not evolved to individual consciousness, but there's kind of a "group collective" that represents the persona of all animals (cats, for instance).

I think some creatures have less "spirit" than others. Dolphins, dogs, etc. seem much more to individual consciousness. Things like alligators, probably most dinosaurs, and certainly bacteria, are far from it. They may not even be developed enough to exist in any tangible form beyond Earth.

This is observable beyond afterlife context. Dogs, dolphins, primates are much closer to our levels of reasoning. Cold-blooded animals are very disconnected beyond just primal drives.

If there's an afterlife, I would surmise it would be difficult for a primal-based consciousness to exist there. More likely it wouldn't exist there at all.

"One question that was posed to me by a skeptic is how far does it go down did the dinosaurs go to a afterlife realm of their own where they were wiped out?. What about crododiles? flies? coyotes? deer? bacteria?. That is a good question i will say that we really don't know." - leo
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Near death experiencers describe their experiences in very holographic terms. Physicists say that our universe is some kind of strange holographic projection, which means that anything that is here has to be there. This side is a holographic projection from the other side.

excerpt from The Universe as a hologram:
"the superhologram is the matrix that has given birth to everything in our universe, at the very least it contains every subatomic particle that has been or will be -- every configuration of matter and energy that is possible, from snowflakes to quasars, from bluü whales to gamma rays. It must be seen as a sort of cosmic storehouse of "All That Is."
http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html

My dog died in the car accident that killed me, but she wasn't able to make it back here with me. I saw her in the NDE place. I didn't even know she had died until weeks after I first woke up in the hospital. I don't remember the accident itself, so I had to be told about it just like I had to be told about my dog. No one wanted to tell me about her. That fact that she was in my NDE makes that experience very hard to dismiss, even when I'm trying very hard to.

I've seen ghost animals a number of times. Sometimes I'm pretty sure they are place memories, not apparitions. There are others that seem very real and interactive, much like the spirits of people do.

Sandy, I am so sorry for your loss. My dogs and cats have meant so much to me. I just turned 50, and cannot tell you how many pets I have had, but I hold fond memories of them all. I do meet them in my dreams and hug them :) I hope you do also.

Donna, I'm pretty lucky. I get to know that my best friend made it to the other side and that she is just as happy as I was when I was there. Thank you for your kind words.

Every time I read the statement "If there's an Afterlife" it reminds me of the soldier who, dying on the battlefield, called out in his despair:
"Oh God - if there is a God - save my soul - if I have a soul"

“On the above two points, I read somewhere through some medium, I really can't say where, information regarding pets belonging to a more-or-less mass consciousness. They're not evolved to individual consciousness, but there's kind of a "group collective" that represents the persona of all animals (cats, for instance).”

These creatures may return to a mass level consciousness until they evolve to a higher level of consciousness and at some point they reach a level of self-consciousness with all its selfishness and ego behavior. So the idea of a mass consciousness for each creature species may be valid. Nature could indeed be some type of incubator for the creation of unique souls.

My belief at this time is that there is an evolution of consciousness process occurring not only on our human levels in the physical world but also in these other astral dimensions. We appear to be evolving as humans and societies at a snails pace but maybe new human souls are arriving all the time from these lower levels of consciousness and older souls are moving on to these higher dimensions. Or not.

So be nice to your pet dog he or she may be your neighbor or your significant other in your next life. Sorry to good to pass up.

Concerning soul development my observation has been that some humans have not reached even a low level of sympathy for others while other humans show some signs of empathy for others and there are a few very few that have compassion for all living beings. Compassion is based in the understanding of the underlying reality of phenomena and that is a rare occurrence.

Some teach that once we are able to see this underlying reality of phenomena we may no longer decide to reincarnate in this physical world.

Why dogs in NDEs rather than cats or horses or whatever other pets? Sounds like a doggy thing to me. I see my cats who've transitioned every time I cross over (the sort of thing that gets called astral travel)- but they don't come running to me, oh no. That is not the cat way! (As my beloved says, they're quite sure they're gods. I think he's joking ... )

Oh, just in addition: my contacts with my cats is with individuals; I've seen or heard nothing from Spirit to suggest they are anything less than the individual personalities they were in their earthly lives.

Leo wrote:

One question that was posed to me by a skeptic is how far does it go down did the dinosaurs go to a afterlife realm of their own where they were wiped out?. What about crododiles? flies? coyotes? deer? bacteria?. That is a good question i will say that we really don't know.

This is a familiar question which is very easy to answer based on spirit communications.

ALL life is continuous.

Animals which have had contact with, and been loved by, humans will meet up with their "owners" when they pass over.

Other species will join and/or merge with their group soul and follow their particular path of evolution.

In the Afterlife provision has been made for everyone and everything.

The other side will seem just as real to us as this side does. If it is here it will be there. It is not that different in kind from this side. Only the physics of the other side is different. Meaning that time and space will not exist and whatever you focus your attention on is what you will experience.

excerpt from Mark Horton's NDE:
"I was pure intellect, absorbing information and knowledge through "sensors" or means that I have no concept of. From this vantage point, I had to merely think of a place and time and I was there, experiencing everything about the place and time and people present."
http://www.mindspring.com/~scottr/nde/markh.html

Time and space exist in Mind not the other way round.

On the topic of non-western NDEs, here's an interesting little study:

http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_07_2_pasricha.pdf

Not sure if it's been mentioned before or not

Zerdini: On the topic of Animals and Materialization again, have you ever come across any incidents of strange creatures that are totally UNKNOWN materializing during a seance and interacting with the sitters?

I tend to remember reading about a particular seance where a strange unknown monstrous looking creature appeared during the seance and playfully licked the sitters with a weird tongue.

I found that fascinating. I need to find that source again.

Eteponge: This was in a seance with Franek Kluski.

A "curious feature of Kluski's materialization séances was the appearance of animal forms, which included squirrels, dogs, cats, a lion, and a buzzard. One of the most disturbing manifestations was a large primitive creature like a huge ape or a hairy man. The face was hairy, and the creature had long, strong arms and behaved roughly to the sitters, trying to lick their hands and faces. This materialization, which Geley named "Pithecanthropus," exuded a strong odor like "a wet dog."

The best account of Kluski's mediumship is the 1926 book (in Polish) by Col. Norbert Ocholowicz.

I am one of those people who have had a NDE. In fact, I've had two. I did not see animals there, but I've no doubt they were.

My first NDE was when I was 4 years old... and I remember it vividly and clearly like I was still 4. It was a wonderful experience and I cannot wait to go back.

My second NDE was not so wonderful I was drinking and drugging at the time and had a very negative experience. I do NOT want to go back. (No, I didn't see a fire burning hell... but I was in a place of total darkness without a speck of light.) I could hear and feel, but not see, and I did not like what I was hearing or experiencing.

I know I am not here to judge anyone, but to love everyone.

Thank you for your blog. Very interesting to read.

God bless you.
Rev. Stephanie Dolzall
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"One question that was posed to me by a skeptic is how far does it go down did the dinosaurs go to a afterlife realm of their own where they were wiped out?. What about crododiles? flies? coyotes? deer? bacteria?. That is a good question i will say that we really don't know."

I agree with Zerdini's response, Leo. I'd also say that the question sounds like classic human arrogance (though it may not have been intended that way by the sceptic who said it). Why should animals, life of all sorts, NOT be in Spirit? It's rather ironic, coming from a sceptic, in a way. It goes straight back to the Christian we've-got-souls-and-you-nonhumans-don't stance. Makes me think of Descartes and his nauseating attitude towards other life. (I can just imagine his arrival in Spirit to a ring of animals, tapping their feet and sending out "So we don't have souls, don't we? Our pain is pretence, is it? Machines, eh? Would you like to reconsider that position, perhaps?")

excerpt from an online article about Emmanuel Swedenborg:
"Although it is not a feature reported by modern NDEers, Swedenborg said that he was astonished to find that in heaven there are also spirits from other planets, an astounding assertion for a man who was born over three hundred years ago!"

http://www.soultravel.se/2004/040907-swedenborg/index.shtml
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If Heaven is a place where "all that is" originates, then one would expect to find organisms from other planets, not just the Earth. The Universe is a very big place and there is no reason to suppose that other planets might not also have life on them.

True enough, Art, but Swedenborg was describing his out-of-body experiences not NDE's.

Swedenborg filled almost twenty volumes with his experiences, and on his deathbed was asked if there was anything he wanted to recant. He earnestly replied: "Everything that I have written is as true as you now behold me. I might have said much more had it been permitted to me. After death you will see all, and then we shall have much to say to each other on the subject."

Zerdini, there may not be much difference between NDE's and out of body experiences. My thesis is the the connection between the soul and the body may be very tenuous at best, which may be intentional, because at the moment of death it allows the soul to exit the body thus allowing it to escape the horrors of being trapped in a rotting corpse. Perhaps it is a kindness from the creator?

Swedenborg may have suffered from very brief episodes of ischemia, allowing the soul to take flight and bring back information from the other side.

One time I was in the kitchen washing dishes, right after my wife and I had just come home from a trip to town, which was 45 minutes away. As I was staring out the window, just sort of zoning out, I heard a voice in my head, a "not me" voice, say clear as day "Bonnie is going to come in here and say 'thanks for going with me!'" About a minute later my wife walked into the kitchen and said "thanks for going with me." I had accompanied my wife to a meeting of her's in town and she was thanking me for going with her to that meeting. She could have thanked me at any time on the way home, or even right after the meeting but instead she thanked me exactly one minute after that voice in my head told me she was going to. It was pretty amazing.

Another words, we may all have these little "ndes" in our life, brief moments when our souls touch the divine. It may not be all that uncommon at all.

Art, we may be talking at cross purposes.

OBE's and NDE's may be similar except that I understand NDE's are usually experienced by people who are diagnosed as clinically dead and are resuscitated whereas OBE's are experienced by people who are consciously aware.

What makes you think Swedenborg suffered brief periods of ischemia? Is there any evidence for that?

Until the silver cord is severed one remains attached to the physical body even though you (i.e. the etheric body) may be separated from the body thus enabling one to have OBE's and NDE's.

Once the cord is severed there is no way you can return to the physical body no matter what doctors may do.

In the same way once the umbilical cord is severed there is no way the baby can return to the womb.

Another words, we may all have these little "ndes" in our life, brief moments when our souls touch the divine. It may not be all that uncommon at all.

The description you gave is simply an example of clairaudience not an NDE.

Another words, we may all have these little "ndes" in our life, brief moments when our souls touch the divine.

Do you ever wonder if the more we refer to the hereafter as a divine place, the harder it will be to come to terms with the concept?

It's hard to define what "divine" is. It seems to evoke something almost impossible to reach, some omnipresent power. People describe the hereafter as a very real, very 'normal' place just with altered physics that make it seem 'magical' only to us (such as mind reading, teleportation, etc)

The same goes with "supernatural" and "paranormal". If say, psychic powers or remote viewing are not normal, then what are they?

I've come to find removing definitions and words that can't be defined or applied makes life easier.

Clairaudience, spiritual, divine, heaven, soul, yada, yada, yada, are all just words humans have made up to try and define something so far beyond our normal everyday mundane lives that definitions all lose their meanings when dealing with anything related to "life after death."

All I know something wonderful and amazing is going on, and I have a high degree of confidence that the thing we call "death" is not really "death" at all. I am fairly certain that the voice inside my head, the thing I identify as "me" will somehow survive the death of my physical body.

And that is a wonderful thing.

Clairaudience, spiritual, divine, heaven, soul, yada, yada, yada, are all just words humans have made up to try and define something so far beyond our normal everyday mundane lives that definitions all lose their meanings when dealing with anything related to "life after death."

Words are only thoughts wearing clothes but they are all we have as a means of communication on earth.

The physical body may "die" but we survive because life is continuous and,yes, we all survive the death of the physical body as survival evidence attests.

People describe the hereafter as a very real, very 'normal' place just with altered physics

Certainly the people who live there do!

The absence of reports about animals in the afterworld was also ubiquitous in the mid-nineteenth century French spiritualism, at least in one of its most influential versions, spiritism (that is, the spiritualism as popularized by Allan Kardec, pseudonym).

Bizarre...This must mean something. But what exactly? It is hard to tell.

Julio

Julio: Allan Kardec was not a medium.

He put questions to a number of mediums and compiled a book of their answers which he called 'The Spirits Book'.

If you don't ask the right questions you don't get the right answers.

As far as I can tell he never had any actual experiences of animal survival.

Here's another question. Where are all the aliens? Surely humans are not the only intelligent life in the entire universe, so where are all the sentient alien spirits that would presumably also occupying the afterlife?

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