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The economic meltdown part of the report looked pretty good to me. I would have said that the credit crunch will go down in history as a major catastrophe. It took a lot of government effort to stop everything collapsing in on itself. At present, we are far too close to the event to judge it historically. And the ramifications haven't played out yet, have they?

BTW, October 7 was my birthday :)

Obama won......

i'm sure that's like a doomsday for some people. didnt you see that gun sales went up dramatically after the election?
Obama

what's next? mass exodus of pro-republican 'real' americans moving into Teaxas?

beware of the sign!


in all seriousness, i'm glad that nothing bad happen

May I come out of my bunker now?

On October 8, I was in New Mexico, 2/3 of my way to finishing my exodus from Los Angeles to Texas. At a rest area in New Mexico, my dog Spanky, one of my canine traveling companions, found a discarded colostomy bag and thought it would be cute to roll around in it until the contents were all over him. The stench and the disgust I had to bear for another 250 miles to the nearest groomer was a catastrophe I was happy not to share with the world.

The economic meltdown part of the report looked pretty good to me.

I think most of these predictions were made after the credit crunch was already in the headlines.

You just did Marcel. Why on Earth would you tell us that?

Marcel, thanks for sharing.

It just goes to show you that psychics who predict one large catastrophe on a global scale only end up causing small catastrophes all over the map. Mine was pretty bad though. I curse those psychics! :-)

Marcel, I would have found the nearest lake, river, stream, hose, dam or reservoir, irrigation canal, or something to rinse that dog off. Heck if I had to I'd even stop and buy a couple of 2 liter bottles of diet Sprite or 7 up to rinse it off, and I'm a major tightwad cheapskate. No way in heck would I travel 250 miles with a dog that had rolled in feces of any kind, especially human excrement. I'm sorry but Ewwww & YUCK!!!

Art, it's all a lesson in separation. Every time you share a car with a shit-encrusted dog for 250 miles, you're learning what it's like to feel separate from the world around you. Then when you pass on, you will no longer experience separation. You will be that shit-encrusted dog.

It's holographic.

Michel - your holographic interpretation was hilarious! More please - I laughed and laughed ....

I wonder if Nostradamus had anything to say about holographic excrement;-)

I think Art is a very valued member of our community, and I wish to disassociate myself from any suggestion that his views are s**t.

Art, you and I are holomates until the end of time.

All of you are locked into the paradigm of s**t encrusted dogs being repulsive. Who knows what generations in the future may think of such creatures?

I think Chris Carter should write a book on it - 'S**t Encrusted Dogs and the Skeptics'.

Would you wish that on Marcel, Major? Skeptics would ask for evidence that such encrusted dogs exist. Marcel’s word would not be good enough. He’d have to repeat the trip an infinite number of times under controlled conditions (locked in a white mobile lab without windows).

Skeptics would ask for evidence that such encrusted dogs exist. Marcel’s word would not be good enough. He’d have to repeat the trip an infinite number of times under controlled conditions (locked in a white mobile lab without windows). - Ben
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I absolutely know for a fact they exist because I've experienced one for myself, although I didn't have to ride 250 miles inside a car with one. I used to live in the woods of East Tennessee on ten acres of land. I have a small black and tan mixed Terrier named Hardy. One time my brother, John, was visiting and since we only had one bathroom and it was occupied John went out in the woods and took a dump. It didn't take Hardy long to find the deposit and being a dog he rolled in it and got it all over him. It was absolutely disgusting. John and I were outside and when Hardy came up to me I yelled at him to "separate himself" from me because I was grossed out. I think John was somewhat taken aback because I reacted so violently to his excrement, rubbed all over Hardy's back, but it really did gross me out. The reason I remember it so vividly is because the more emotional the experience the more powerful and long lasting the memory it creates. That's one memory that I will carry with me to my grave, and yes, it did cause quite a bit of separation between Hardy and I for several weeks after that incident; I kept my distance from him till I was sure it had all worn off.

Art, you and I are holomates until the end of time. - Teri
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I don't suppose it bothers you as much as it does me that skeptics and/or cynics never address the relationship between NDE's and the holographic universe paradigm and also what some quantum physicist say about reality? Did you notice in Michael's blog "Four Errors" not a word was said about the amazing and mind boggling, corroboration, support, and parallels between what Michael Talbot wrote about in his book and what many many near death experiencers report that they experienced during their near death experienced? Not even a mention that the Life Review is a holographic experience par excellance! Nary a word! Am I the only one who sees the obvious parallels? Heck, Dr. Oswald Harding wrote a whole book about it!

"Never make predictions, especially about the future."

--- Casey Stengel

"Am I the only one who sees the obvious parallels? Heck, Dr. Oswald Harding wrote a whole book about it!"

Answered your own question there, methinks, Art.

"Am I the only one who sees the obvious parallels? Heck, Dr. Oswald Harding wrote a whole book about it!" - Art
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Answered your own question there, methinks, Art. - The Major

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In Dr. Kenneth Ring's book, Life At Death, he devotes a whole chapter to the parallels between NDE's and The Holographic Universe. In Dr. Melvin Morse's book, Where God Lives, he devotes several pages to it. But what perplexes me is that the parallels, support, corroboration between the two is rarely mentioned in conjunction with answering the question "is it real?" Or when skeptics and cynics discuss the reality of NDE's? There is obviously something very strange going on when a housewife from Kansas or a truckdriver from South Georgia come back and describe their experiences in terms that can only described as holographic. Feelings of overwhelming oneness and connectedness, feeling like they are literally everywhere in the Universe at once, 360 degree vision, time and space not existing, having all knowledge, things being made out of light, during the life review feeling the emotions and telepathically hearing the thoughts of the people they interacted with, seeing colors they've never seen before and hearing sounds they've never heard, even overwhelming feelings of Love, are all by products or what one might expect in a holographic universe. It really is eerie because Talbot didn't write his book to specifically support NDE's but the connection between the two can not be easily explained away. I'm not sure it's even possible to fully understand NDE's without some grasp of how a hologram works. If you just read the online essay about the holographic universe at
http://www.earthportals.com/hologram.html#zine and then read Mark Horton's NDE description at
http://www.mindspring.com/~scottr/nde/markh.html it's obvious they are talking about one and the same thing.
We are spiritual beings having a physical experience, here to experience time and space, and learn what it feels like to be separate, unique, individuals, and make memories of what it was like to live in a 3 dimensional + 1 time Universe.

"We are spiritual beings having a physical experience, here to experience time and space, and learn what it feels like to be separate, unique, individuals, and make memories of what it was like to live in a 3 dimensional + 1 time Universe"

But why Art?

It's the 3 dimensional dog I feel sorry for. How did we get onto the holographic universe again on this thread?

"We are spiritual beings having a physical experience, here to experience time and space, and learn what it feels like to be separate, unique, individuals, and make memories of what it was like to live in a 3 dimensional + 1 time Universe" - Art
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But why Art? Posted by: ???

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I wish you'd put some kind of name? My name is really "Art". I think the main purpose of life is to experience "separation", which teaches the soul what it means to be separate. Why? Because people who have NDE's routinely say that they felt an overwhelming sense of oneness and connectedness in Heaven. I remember reading one NDE where the woman said that we here in the Physical Universe can't begin to comprehend the infinite and overwhelming sense of "oneness" and "connectedness" in Heaven. This describes a hologram perfectly. In a hologram each piece contains the whole. All the information is spread throughout the entire hologram. If you cut a hologram in half you don't end up with two halves, you get two wholes. So, I think in Heaven it may not be possible to become a separate unique individual. If you want to really understand what it means to be "separate" you have to spend some time here in the physical universe where you experience lots and lots of separation. From the moment you are born till the day you die and your death becomes a lesson in separation to the loved ones you leave behind. Separation is the major theme to almost every book, play, movie, and the lyrics to most songs. I think the Creator of the Universe made us for the exact same reason that Parents choose to have children. Parents start loving their kids before they are even born. We experience time and space because they don't exist in Heaven. Heaven is a place where thoughts are things and consciousness creates reality. You will create your own reality once you cross over into Heaven. The way you think will dictate the reality you see after you cross over. Every memory that we imprint will be available to access to create some kind of reality on the other side and it will feel just as real to us as this life does. We learn about time and space, and make memories. But the beautiful thing about it is that we will share all our memories in Heaven. We don't live for just ourselves, but for every soul that has ever lived or will ever live. Not just people, but animals, and maybe even plants and rocks and streams and sunlight, and everything. And not just limited to the Earth either, but perhaps every single planet in the entire Universe, and every single alien species in the Universe. We will have access to all knowledge, because in a hologram all the knowledge is spread throughout the entire hologram. Mark Horton said he literally felt like he was everywhere in the Universe at once. After we die we will experience the Universe for what it truly is, a gigantic splendidly detailed hologram. The life we live now is very limited because we are here to experience separation, so our souls are limited by time and space and inside a physical body, imprinting information to be used one day after we cross over.


Since we are back to holograms, I thought I'd mention that Ian Lawton is releasing The Big Book of the Soul: our many lives as holographic aspects of the Source on November 30. Info is available http://www.ianlawton.com/bbosindex.htm>here. I've had the opportunity to read a couple preview chapters, and Ian's put a lot of work into bringing together multiple sources to support his premise. It's worth a look.

As for dogs and their fondness for stench, The Major's right. It's a paradigm thing. We might find such behavior repulsive, but in the dog's world, it just doesn't get any better.

A friend was telling me about his Golden Retriever's love for rolling in rotting squirrel corpses recently. The freshly decaying, mushy ones are best for rolling in apparently, while the older, crunchy versions make good trail snacks. I briefly considered attempting to talk the dog out of such ideas, until I realized that dog's paradigms are even stronger than people's.

How did we get onto the holographic universe again on this thread? -Paul
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That's easy, "moi!" I was bothered by the lack of discussion between skeptic and believer about the relationship between NDE's and the holographic paradigm. It rarely comes up, and the skeptics ignore it completely, but to me it's one of the largest pieces of evidence that NDE's are exactly what they purport to be, visits to Heaven.

"I briefly considered attempting to talk the dog out of such ideas, until I realized that dog's paradigms are even stronger than people's."

Last thing you want is to be labelled a woo-woo by your Golden Retriever.

It was a rhetorical question Art ;)

To get back on topic, wouldn't Sarah Palin be the expected cataclysm? She certainly was 'substantially disruptive' to the Republicans' chance for the White House. It's...it's almost as if the Republicans WANTED to lose....

Oh dear, did I just start a conspiracy theory?

Isn't there an online premonitions registry where people who feel a premonition can register it? If so, anyone claiming such an inkling should be immediately urged to put it in writing there, under a thread associated with his name or pen-name, so that the rest of us can have some background by which to judge his future prophecies.

This would be a great way to separate the wheat from the chaff, methinks.

What a great idea Roger, I'm all for it.

I think that for some people the only thing that matters about the afterlife is whether they'll keep their political affiliation after they're dead.

I'm not sure about the premonition registry I have visions of people logging one then going out and making it happen.

I think that for some people the only thing that matters about the afterlife is whether they'll keep their political affiliation after they're dead. - dmduncan
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Now that is funny! Good stuff! My sister is a rabid Obama supporter and she and her daughter drove me nuts the last few months with their Obama emails and telephone calls.

Wow! I went away for a few days, but my sh*t encrusted dog story really took hold. I tell you, whenever I tell that story offline, it gets the same reaction. I think people are not sure which is more gross, my dog Spanky rolling in the stuff, or the sick MF'er who threw the colostomy bag out. BTW, I've coined a new term for the bag o sh*t - "Trucker's pouch". I'm sure it was a beer guzzling, tobacco chewing, plaid wearing, intestinally impaired trucker who did it.

For the record, I did use an entire gallon of water and my only towel to wash Spanky down, but the stench was so bad I gagged all the way from New Mexico to the Texas border.

"...until I realized that dog's paradigms are even stronger than people's."

I know a vegetarian that feeds her dog on carrots. Honest to God. It thrives.

(OK, so it has biscuits too).

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