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Maybe these entities are ultra egos of Thompson, maybe they have forgotten their birthdates and dates of crossing over, maybe they are a fraud and loving playing around with David, maybe David is a fraud. The latest I have heard is that David manifested a sitter’s pet dog. Now if that is fraud it is a good one as the sitter recognized his beloved pet.

I offered to check out radiation levels of night vision goggles at the manufacturer for the silver circle cord three months ago but no response.

I am not willing to give up on these folks but also not willing to tell the world they are for real. If David is “proven” fake hope victor likes humble pie.

I'm convinced DT is the real deal. The clincher, for me, was http://www.ideofact.com/archives/Satchmo.gif>this remarkable photo, taken with a low-light camera during a recent session. That should silence all this nonsense about flexicuffs and birth records.

Oh my God, Marcos, I almost laughed myself off my seat. That was great!

Now, Mr. Prescott, what the hell is this?

Prickly types, these mediums. I guess that's why they're called "sensitives."
Only because you were ribbing DT will I let that slide, but no more generalizations about mediums. I would prefer if you referred to DT as a "Charlatan" or "fraud", words more appropriate for what he is.

Marcos, that photo is WORLD-SHATTERING EVIDENCE that only the LOSERS and DEFEATISTS will dare to ignore!

>I offered to check out radiation levels of night vision goggles at the manufacturer for the silver circle cord three months ago but no response.

No response? Color me astonished!

Every time David releases a new audio tape which includes no female voices, and no voices that are even remarkably different from one another, then my eyes just roll. So, this information comes as no surprise to me at this point.

I don't rule out that there's something supernatural going on, because some evidence seems to suggest it. But, I would bet that these "materializations" are just aspects of David's own mind, which tells you something interesting about the power of the psyche.

I guess I am the only optimistic one of the bunch. Time will tell he cannot continue this forever if he is a fraud he will be discovered.

If he is a fraud what a horrible thing to do to people to make them think they have contacted their loved ones. Many people that have sat in on these séances swear they have made contact with their loved ones.

If he is proven not to be a fraud it would make some interesting humble pie snacks for many who blog on here. i.e. Marcel.

Is he charging for these séances? Victor gave me his word he is the real deal. I think victor has put his reputation on the line here. I remain hopeful but skeptical and not 99.999 per cent convinced like john is for evolution as it is being taught today in our schools.

If he is proven to be the real deal the ultra skeptics would just accurse victor of having an affair with David like they did William Crookes to discredit him and refuse to attend the séances that were only a few miles away.

I was told that night vision goggles could not be used because they gave off light but my limited research suggests that there are two types of night vision goggles and the passive night vision goggles do not give off light but only pick up light reflected by objects. It is the active night vision goggles that give off light.


This refusal to use these passive type goggles is of real concern to me. If these séances were valid these passive types of night vision goggles could go a long way to prove their validity. Come on David what have you to lose by letting sitters use these passive goggles?

If thompson can be photographed using ired film with "ectoplasm" hanging out of his head..then it is safe to say he can be videotaped using passive devices like starlight scopes(ired illuminator turned off)or thermal cameras.
And the reason the geniuses that "work" with zammitt wont do this.
The "spirits said not too..at this time".
Sure..
The "Evidence" so far is....
1/A "womans" voice is so bad and obviously a man..that it is sad.
2/Inane and banal "enlightenment" from "dead" people.
3/Cartoon like voices.
4/One photo of a hankerchief(ectoplasm)
5/A barking "dog"
WOW...
Victor has a reputation...but it is certainly not as any form of normal researcher .
He is a retired suburban solicitor who claims he represented the supreme court of nsw..which would make him a barrister..which he never was.
He claims to have 3, sometimes 4 degrees ..if you ask him what they are .. vanishes...
Why are so many people "involved" in spiritualism 1/pompous 2/arrogant 3/mendacious 4/Dim.
If thompson is legit..why does he surround himself with credulous buffoons who are scientifically illiterate.
Is the whole victor zammitt site a fake site created by the sceptics association.?

GF

>>Is the whole victor zammitt site a fake site created by the sceptics association?<<

Here we go again,conspiracy theory for the win?

I think Leo makes good points and does give me the idea that David Thompson is slightly less credible then he already was.But I think to go as far as Marcel goes to downright call him(david) a fraud is too much.When he is exposed as a fraud,then it pushes that possibility to the limit of being most probable.

I think the best position to maintain at this point is a skeptical agnostic one.

"I think the best position to maintain at this point is a skeptical agnostic one."

very well stated.

we humans love to state opinions before all the data is in. believers and nonbelievers can be two sides of the same coin. one must let the data do the talking, not the very bias human mind. easy to state tough to do.

-If thompson is legit..why does he surround -himself with credulous buffoons who are -scientifically illiterate.
-Is the whole victor zammitt site a fake site -created by the sceptics association.?

Ugh.

Victor's site is about 90-95% accurate. The main parts that should be disregarded are Helen Duncan's page (proven fraud), Mark Macy and the ITC experiments (very dubious, see Prescott's archives) and of course David Thompson.

Almost everything else is pretty spot-on, with great information about Xenoglossy, NDEs, EVP, and so forth. It's a great way to be introduced to a lot of topics.

Victor and others are thoroughly convinced by David because he has allegedly revealed information which nobody else could have possibly known during seances. This could make a true-believer out of many people. Like I said, maybe something supernatural is going on, but I would bet the materializations are alter-egos of an entranced Thompson, running around the room making impersonations in the dark.

>>I would bet the materializations are alter-egos of an entranced Thompson, running around the room making impersonations in the dark.<<

Cyrus could u share what u mean by this sentence,I don't quite understand the implications.Are u reffering to something like a David Thompson with schizofrenia?

Unreliable, unverifiable and misleading guides are nothing new. Eileen Garrett's guide was of highly dubious origin and she herself suspected her guides were a manifestation of her unconscious. No one doubts Garrett's integrity on the basis of her guide. So why should DT's guide be the acid test here.

Of course, there may be many grounds for dismissing DT as a medium. Personally, he seems to be making extraordinary claims beyond those claimed by most contemporary mediums. (They differ in KIND not just degree.) I am frankly skeptical of him myself.

But it seems that a significant portion of the comments about him are inspired by his cranky, annoying personality, as well as the cranky personality of his chief advocate. Yes, they both throw all sorts of "proofs" and claims at debunkers, then weasel away when their assertions are called into question. It's annoying and makes people properly suspicious.

But we all know that the history of mediumship - GENUINE mediumship - is filled with people who were insufferable, pretentious, prickly, self-aggrandizing and not above cheating when genuine phenomena didn't occur or seemed too taxing. (And, yes, Marcel, many who are intelligent and serious.)

DT's most important claims are based on physical manifestations. His personality is beside the point and so too, I believe, are claims about his guides. We do not reject Garrett (dubious guides), Hume (ego), or Palladino (deliberate cheating) on similar grounds. We look at the phenomena and the quality of the witnesses and researchers.

Now, witnesses and researchers may provide plenty of grounds for dismissing DT. I frankly have not looked at him enough to have an opinion.

(This isn't the space for me to speculate, but I do wonder if sitters and mediums some how co-create phenomena when it comes to physical mediumship. That is the expectations as well as the energy of everyone somehow unconsciously shape phenomena according to their expectations. They may still be spirit created, but leverage human agents in a way similar to Playfiar's theories about poltergeists - a theory I find more persuasive than a strictly telekinetic explanation for many reasons. Clearly physical manifestations occur in poltergeist cases [see Playfiar's This House is Haunted]. So why can't they occur in seances? So by my thinking it is possible that DT is a gifted physical medium. But I have no opinion one way or the other because...I don't care. The case for survival lay elsewhere on much firmer ground. Digression over.)

“If he is a fraud what a horrible thing to do to people to make them think they have contacted their loved ones. Many people that have sat in on these séances swear they have made contact with their loved ones.”

When I was eight years old my grandmother, who I loved dearly, passed away. My parents felt that it was best that I not attend the funeral (it was fairly common to shield kids from death in the sixties).

Shortly after the service, I had an incredibly vivid dream in which my grandma spent a long time just talking to me about all sorts of things, and basically let me know that she was fine and I would be too, and I was left with a strong sense of peace. I didn’t mention the dream to anyone until several years later, when my older sister was talking about unusually vivid dreams she had had. I then mentioned this dream, and described in detail the clothes my grandma was wearing, at which point the color completely drained from my sisters face. I had described precisely the clothes grandma had been buried in, down to her odd blue shoes – even though I had been completely shielded from the funeral and the preparations.

It freaked my sister out, but just confirmed to me that I had actually been visited by my grandmother. It was my first clue that there was more going on here than meets the eye.

If I have concerns about mediums, it is along the same lines that I have with the “Dr. Phil” schools of psychology. They both seem to provide a band-aid, some temporary relief, but rarely is the experiential aspect powerful enough to be permanent.

It’s too bad there isn’t some way to induce direct communication (in the dream state perhaps?) for those who have lost loved ones. I suspect that if there were, the healing aspect would be exponentially more powerful.

>It’s too bad there isn’t some way to induce direct communication (in the dream state perhaps?) for those who have lost loved ones. I suspect that if there were, the healing aspect would be exponentially more powerful.

See this Web site.


Induced Afterlife Contact

Michael beat me to it. The book was very intriguing. Anyone on this board go through this process or know someone who has?

-Cyrus could u share what u mean by this -sentence,I don't quite understand the -implications.Are u reffering to something -like a David Thompson with schizofrenia?

Maybe a psychic schizophrenia.

Thanks for the above link Michael - that's fascinating.

Michael H.,
>It’s too bad there isn’t some way to induce direct communication (in the dream state perhaps?) for those who have lost loved ones. I suspect that if there were, the healing aspect would be exponentially more powerful.<

I've wondered about that a lot these past 3 years and think maybe it's just best for some people not to have direct communication with lost loved ones (maybe it would actually be more traumatic and hurtful for some?) but for other people it is helpful. I think I might be the only Christian who posts on this blog?, so maybe nobody will agree, but I truly think God helps each person according to the manner the individual will be the most receptive.
Three years ago I was sitting in a police car while searchers were trying to find my 15 yr old son. Suddenly and completely unexpectedly my son had direct communication with me - his body wasn't there but his spirit and personality was a million times more intensified and much more real than when he had a body. He greeted me with a spiritual name which was surprising in itself, rather than his usual "Mom" or "Mama" greeting, and he was/is so intensely happy. He wanted me to know that and told me he wants me and his Dad to be happy, too. I know it probably sounds overly dramatic and unbelievable, but I swear it happened exactly like that. I realized what his coming to me in that way meant - that what I had previously feared most had happened (this all happened at least 2 hours before they found his body) - but I was so happy and excited! I tried to tell the rest of our family about what he said and how happy he is and wants us to be but nobody believed me and they all looked at me with pity thinking I was hallucinating. Later on they did believe it and found comfort in it as well. Weeks later my Dad also had a sudden direct communication with my son - his was a little different in that he could see a soft light, whereas I didn't see anything at all. The fact that my Dad and I are alike in certain personality and spiritual ways has always made me wonder if that had anything to do with why we had those experiences and nobody else did, though many family members desperately wanted and tried.
Anyway : >the healing aspect would be exponentially more powerful.< has been true for me. Everytime I think I can't handle living on this earth without him, I remember what he said to me and I strive to maintain happiness. Even now 3+ years later, the bonding of spirits with my son on that night is just as intense and happy as it was when it happened.
I've wanted to write this on this blog for years but resisted. It's a relief to finally write it even if nobody reads it or gives a diddly squat lol.
Suzie

“but I do wonder if sitters and mediums some how co-create phenomena when it comes to physical mediumship.”

There appears to be some evidence to support this claim. I believe it was Florence Marryat in her book there is no death stated these same things.

Suzy I suspect more people read these posts than we realize. All of us I think have had experiences that defy a materialistic explanation.

My own wife and her sister saw things moving in the room when her brother was passing. This brought them great comfort much later but scared the daylights out of them at the time as they suspected her brother was receiving a visitation from his father who had passed ten years to the day before his son. The interesting thing was after these heavy physical objects moved in the room whatever happened or whatever her brother saw it brought him great comfort and peace and he passed within that hour.

I personally had a dream visitation from an entity that gave me a life review in a telepathic format with such compassion there is no comparison on this earth to describe this compassion and a hug that was unlike anything this earth has to offer as it involved vibration and energy sharing that is impossible to describe because nothing on earth comes close.

The interesting thing to me is that dream occurred 17 years ago and it is like it happened 5 minutes ago. Usually I forget my dreams within 5 minutes of waking up in the morning.

We know so little about such things as compassion, life’s energy, visitations, the after life, karma, universal laws, etc.

I disagree Cyrus not just Mark Macy has been doing ITC experiments so has Professor David Fontana and Dr. Anabela Cordoso. In fact this technology could be the next major breakthrough. As far as Helen Duncan yes a few pictures shows that obviously she was a fraud WAIT fraud!! what based on a few pictures that does not negate the possibility that she has produce some genuine phenomena i say a mix medium.

If David Thompson is authentic, why on earth would he be all upset about supplying the information requested of him to prove the legitimacy of his claims?

Seems to me a person who knows he is in the right would gladly provide direct solid sources and checkable references with a smile, rather than getting all defensive and upset after giving several vague uncheckable references to unverified sources, and then not bothering to counter the presented evidence that the other guides were not found when checked to exist, and leaving the place when he was called on it.

Sounds very fishy to me.

One medium I know, whom I regard as authentic due to the high accuracy rate of obscure veridical information and memories shared with the deceased persons that has come through in our phone sessions, I practically DRILL for information, and he happily obliges. I ask for a name, a memory, and anything else to identify them. I ask some people connected with me how they died, what they experienced when they passed, some family secrets have even come through. The guy all the while is happy to supply such information from Spirit.

A medium who doesn't want to be pressed further than vague generalities, is instantly suspect, IMHO.

Leo: have your heard some of those recordings from ITC. I personally cannot understand anything they are saying. I heard one recording where the statement on the recording stated, "I am the devil". They stated that was a earth bound mischievous entity. Maybe they know how to take out the white noise to hear it better.

It appears that Helen Duncan did have some psychic or mediumship abilities as she predicted some things it was impossible for her know. She was even jailed for something she stated during the war and the military did not want her to know or release to the public for security reasons. Not sure if they water boarded her through.

Mediums don’t appear to be saints and I suspect some commit fraud to put on a good show. And of coarse some I suspect are out and out frauds especially if money is involved.

As I have stated before. I am a frm believer in dreams, so much that things /people/events came to past.Example: I was going through pictures to show my sister-in-law that I have never met,its a complicated story and not affordable here. Anyhow after going thought umpteenth albums of my own life and some childhood pictures of our family, I had an idea to use my old computer cd's with alot of pictures and compile them with loading additional ones from the album onto cd's it seemed exhaustive after a second thought,needless to say I went to bed that night and during the night drempt that I was riding a bike by a parking lot and used furniture store a short distance from where we live. I lost something in the back of my bike basket and drove into the lot to retrieve it and noticed inside the big glass window my husband's cousin's wife was sitting inside with abunch of her friends, so I went inside. After talking for awhile to her I noticed she was sitting in a chair that had spider webs laying low almost invisible to the naked eye.. she wondered what I was staring at and moved her arm and jumped up when she seen the webs tucked into the cracks of the chair! they rose and departed and I went my way. I wondered what that dream meant? an a answer came that I wasn,t to waste my time collecting pictues of the old days for someone who doesn,t know anything about their contents or value and memories that is embedded in my mind when I look at old pictures that take me down memory lane:-) My dream was telling me to scrape compiling cd's for those cousins or even immediate family members, the webs clearly pointed to an ancient theme. Dreams definitely have their markers!

Lucyjane D

“All of us I think have had experiences that defy a materialistic explanation.”

I’m with you on this one, William. I too think there are many more people out there who have had powerful, inexplicable experiences than we know, in myriad forms. Yet there’s a nearly as powerful tendency not to share them, especially in modern western culture. I know that I have shared certain experiential aspects of my life with very few people – it’s not worth the inevitable questioning of my sanity (that’s what it comes down to, regardless of how it may be phrased).

Thank you to both you and Suzie for your willingness to share your experiences, despite the risk of incredulity from potential readers.

-Leo: have your heard some of those recordings -from ITC. I personally cannot understand -anything they are saying.

Hey, do you mean ITC or EVP? If you are talking about EVP, go to aaevp.com for starters. But, these YouTube videos are the best ones. The liontamer guy is my favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSSqQ_gJlXU

Thanks, Suzie, for sharing your experience. It takes courage to talk about something so personal.

Thanks for the update on ITC and EVP. That was an interesting you tube video. It appears much more research is needed. Who knows we may now have a way to communicate with those on the other side and most of the world knows nothing about it.

The voices were pretty clear on the tapes. And if they are able to answer questions and respond in real time a materialistic explanation runs out of steam. If we are able someday to communicate with those that have crossed over it will be interesting how that changes our lives here on earth. I can think of all kinds of scenarios for our future.

The guy in Omaha that was suffering from depression that killed 8 people today to be famous may come back and say oh my I really screwed up or whatever. Or someone that loses a loved one spends all their time in communication with that loved one on the other side and does not live their life on this side.

Hi Will, well it's a science which is not very well understood. But, the fascinating thing about EVP is that there is no ectoplasm needed (which makes me continue to question the potency or even reality of ectoplasm) rather it suggests that recording devices are simply able to pick up extra dimensional wavelengths of people talking--plain and simple.

However, it seems to work on a very limited basis. Short blurbs, then the connection is gone. However, this is still a great concept.

I read that the young woman, Cathy, who is heard on some of the tapes knew about EVP before she died (I believe her family found books about it in her possession) which indicates to me that the more people know about EVP--and then die--the more this phenomenon will increase. Newly discovered on both sides of the coin, I suppose?

Cyrus: it appears that we do not gain any great knowledge when we cross over other that we know that we still exist in another dimension. These voices other than the first example could be understood. And if they can answer questions in real time then indeed this is suggestive of communication with the other side. I also agree that if we have a passion for communication with the other side we appear to carry that over when we cross over. Fredrick Myers and others are examples of this.

I did note that the one woman would not let anyone touch her tape recorder as she had it set at a certain noise level or maybe afraid of it being damaged. The other woman stated she talks to her son every day and that most people probability think she is crazy or something to that effect. I have been called worst when I state some of my findings into the paranormal.

I think this technology was discovered by a person that left a tape recorder recording in the woods to listen to birds and when he played it back he heard human voices.

I liked the insights that souls don’t have voice boxes so the voices on the recorder are difficult to listen to.

This makes sense, as telepathic communication appears to be the way of communication on the other side. I have had telepathic communication once in a "dream visitation" and it was awesome. Of course it may depend on whom you are communicating with. The entity that I communicated with showed compassion, acceptance, understanding, and love far beyond anything that I have encountered in this world. And the “spiritual hug” was beyond awesome and if I could control that I would have one of those hugs every night during my sleep.

I have done little research into these EVP phenomena but Noetic Sciences did some research on it in Brazil and was not impressed. But this does not surprise me because my communication with a couple of folks there suggests they prefer a strict lab oriented scientific method. They also were not impressed with the Scole séances. I think I remember reading they only attended one session. Dean Radin showed no interest in reading the open door and learning more about automatic writing or what the “master mind” had to say about reality.

Konstantine Raudive was the guy who pretty much discovered EVP. I believe he wrote a book about in German called Breakthrough back in the 60s or 70s. EVP is also regularly used by ghost-hunters and paranormal investigators, but it seems when it's applied as a form of mediumship-- like with the Big Circle group-- the best results are obtained.

I've heard very few impressive (Class A) EVP recordings, usually it's really difficult to make sense of them, it could really be anything, including nothing paranormal.

I'd like to hear a relatively clear one that doesn't consist of just one or a couple more words.

Well I searched through the Journal of the Society of Psychical Research (current to the 17th volume (2006), its Proceedings (pretty irrelevant since the last was 1994-1999) and its other publication (Psi-Researcher, later the Paranormal Review) and I can find no mention of William Cadwell, William Caldwell, or similar names. Nor do the words "David Thompson" occur anywhere.

I doubt the SPR had anything whatever to do with this yet-to-be-seen "report" but Monty Keen and Guy Playfair may have produced it for some other publication. I have corresponded with Guy Playfair in the past, so if anyone wants to email him to clear this all up, his address is glplayfair AT waitrose.com

Markus, go to http://www.bigcircle.aaevp.com/gallery.htm and click on the third one from the top on "EVPs referencing individuals" then also click on "Brain Turd", "I Survived" and "Cathy's Here". Plus all these ones: http://www.aaevp.com/examples/forever_family_evp_examples.html

Michael H. and MP,
Thanks so much for your kind words, it means a lot to me. I rarely share the complete experience of that night with anyone, always before it's been only with trusted friends one-on-one. My main concern in sharing it is not so much fear that people will think I'm a raving lunatic (though I do worry about that to an extent), but more importantly, it was/is such a personal thing - as you said MP. It's personal and also I consider it a sacred experience between my son, God, and myself. OTOH, for that very reason, it seems a shame to keep it to myself. It's such intense happiness and who knows, it might encourage others who have lost a loved one. As a matter of fact, in our Compassionate Friends group, many of the parents have had at least one experience similar to mine. Oddly enough I don't remember ever sharing mine with the group. Maybe someday I will.
Suzie

if david can bark like a dog he is one good magic person and should be in vegas. lots more money there. this below is a quote from victor. darn would have liked to be there with my passive night goggles but would anyone believe me if this is for real. no. the mystery continues. what would life be without its mysteries?

think of the difficulty of sneaking a dog in and then have the dog go to the owner and bark. the owner in on it?

"COMMENTARY: A MIRACLE? Sensational materialization of a loved pet. Yes, a dog, loved by its owner, actually materialized in a physical séance highlighted last week, barked and put its paws on its owner’s leg. What brilliant, fantastic, hard core evidence! And to that skeptic claiming it was the medium David who did the barking – wake up!!!! No human can bark like that particular dog! David, with a gag tightly put around his mouth was in a trance – which means he was unconscious. It has also to be remembered that all sitters (who were searched for metals let alone a dog!!!!) – were stunned by the experience. Actually, the barking was not a miracle – it was afterlife physics. It has to do with the dog being put into ectoplasm – some sixty people witnessed ectoplasm in England in October – then the dog becomes solid and recognized the owner – and barked with enthusiasm. You don’t believe it? Start doing research about afterlife matters. Keep an open mind."

I can mimic a dog barking as good as it sounds on the tape. But the catcher is that a sitter claimed that the dog came up and she felt it (according to what I heard on the tape). My only guess is David had his arm up a wet sock (this is making me laugh as I write it), seriously though-- if the sitter really experienced a dog in the room, that would be pretty hard to pull off.

I wasn't in the seance room, but Zammit's claims, as usual, fall far short of any proof of a real materialization.

>Yes, a dog, loved by its owner, actually materialized in a physical séance highlighted last week, barked and put its paws on its owner’s leg.

Translation: Barking sounds were heard, and the sitter felt something hairy on his leg. Could have been an ectoplasmic dog - or a guy doing a "dog" voice and touching the sitter with a piece of fur.

"What brilliant, fantastic, hard core evidence!"

It barely qualifies as evidence at all.

> And to that skeptic claiming it was the medium David who did the barking – wake up!!!! No human can bark like that particular dog!

What does this mean? What's so special about this particular dog? How does Zammit know that the bark can't be imitated?

>David, with a gag tightly put around his mouth

Zammit assumes the gag was in Thompson's mouth. But was it?

>was in a trance

Zammit assumes Thompson was in a trance. But was he?

>– which means he was unconscious.

Was he?

>You don’t believe it? Start doing research about afterlife matters.

Some of us have done lots of research - not only into afterlife matters, but into the tricks used by unscrupulous persons to fool the gullible. It's Zammit who has not done his homework. He has assured his readers that flex-cuffs are escape-proof, when they're not. A small amount of research would have told him he was wrong. Now he's insisting that no human being can imitate that particular dog's bark. Has he researched this? Has he consulted a professional impressionist? Does he know the first thing about vocal impressions?

This is the kind of thing that gives paranormal investigation a bad name.

I think one has to be very careful and not be a believer or a nonbeliever. Much more data is needed. There have been some pretty good testimony coming out of these séances but often people want to believe so bad they are willing to accept almost anything.

My research indicates that pet dogs may very well survive death. I personally believe William Crookes and Florence Marryat that they witnessed “physical” manifestations. Time will tell with Thompson.

It concerns me that the circle of silver cord did not at least answer my email concerning passive night goggles. Because they did not answer does not mean they are fraud but it does contain data that must be taken into consideration.

If they have nothing to hide why not let a neutral person/people see these manifestations take place. Not sure anyone would believe this person, as most people’s paradigms do not include physical manifestations.

Why should any medium care what we think? It's not like there is going to be an election for Physical Medium. It's not like there is a dearth of sitters or intense competition between numerous phsyical mediums and they need to worry about what Consumer Reports magazine might say about them. If they need references they have the many many people who go to their seances and come away convinced. Why should anyone pay attention to the peanut gallery of self appointed experts who have never even had to a sitting with that medium?

Sometimes I think we need to put things into perspective. I mean, who do we think we are anyway? If a medium is doing his thing and has paying sitters, we're just making noise and blowing hot air. The fact that a medium might not bend over backwards or scrape and bow to get our approval doesn't mean he is not genuine. It just means that we are irrelevant. Get over it! Given the behavior of many insincere, closemided, and even dishonest skeptics I, frankly, would expect most mediums to ignore any similar criticism or calls for "proof".

We can rant and rave, and postulate and expostulate, and assume and accuse but basically we're talking to ourselves.

Yes no name you make some good points but why not sign your name.

Mediumship has been fraught with fraud so one must be very skeptical. We hate to feel duped. Most atheists I suspect become atheist because they felt duped by religious teachings that fail even simple logic tests they bought into as a child or adult.

So maybe what happens their mind shuts down and they filter out all incoming information that suggests this universe is more that meets their eyes and nose. I suspect they say to themselves “never again”.

I think in most of our hearts we would love to think these physical manifestations are possible as it can bring such comfort to those grieving over loss of loved ones and to those that fear death.

Maybe 150 years ago these séances had to be in the dark but with technology today this may not be the case.

Just for the record (though I've stated several times now), I don't deny that DT might be a good mental medium, it's only the physical materializations claims which I call into question.

Then there's the $64,000$ question that neither Zammit nor anyone else is able to answer - "With the numerous researchers out there looking for real psi evidence, why has NO ONE in this field even asked to bring Thompson into their lab and study his claims?"

To me, the reason is quite simple... DT's claims are the prose of fiction, not the data of science. I'm sorry, Mr. Zammit, but throwing around the word "empirical evidence" does not make it so. The only control in the Australian and New Zealand séances are the controls Thompson himself has put into place.

DT has been at this materialization game since about 2002 or somewhere around there. One would think that nearly six years on someone of a legitimate scientific background would be endorsing his claims.

Then again, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and Louis Armstrong have busy touring schedules, so it may be hard to get them to agree on a date.

MP:Translation:Barking sounds were heard, and the sitter felt something hairy on his leg. Could have been an ectoplasmic dog - or a guy doing a "dog" voice and touching the sitter with a piece of fur."

Could have been is a nice way to put it.But where would DT hide this piece of fur?Everybody was searched before the seance for hidden stuff so please give your idea on this one.

About all the rest u said,makes sense only if he can A)move around freely B)Hidden the fur somewhere sneaky.

If you log into the same Spiritualist Forum (http://spiritualistchatroom.com) under the Spiritualist Experiences section, you will see a topic entitled "Victor Zammit" which includes Victor's responses to questions emailed to him about DT seances - also entertaining reading!

I don't wish to detract from the D.T./V.Z Show, but I note that a group called the Forever Family Foundation (describing themselves as both non-profit and non-sectarian) are hosting a conference on afterlife studies in the San Francisco area on the weekend of January 19/20 in the Cowell Theater at Fort Mason Center. The guest speakers listed include Dean Radin, Jim Tucker, Bruce Greyson, Fred Alan Wolf, Arthur Hastings and Gary Schwartz. Anyone on the Left Coast (or those with the means to travel there) would most likely find interest in the various offerings of the speakers, and could report back to the rest of us on the proceedings. Merely a heads-up.

Could have been is a nice way to put it.But where would DT hide this piece of fur?Everybody was searched before the seance for hidden stuff so please give your idea on this one.

Keen's report indicates the extent of the searching: "I searched David Thompson and ascertained there was nothing in any trousers pocket or concealed on his singlet, over which he wore a cardigan which I searched separately before he replaced it. I also checked his trainer-type shoes to ascertain that the heels and soles were normal and unified."

In other words, if you want to smuggle in a piece of fur, just put it somewhere not covered by the strenuously polite "searching". The easiest thing would be for him to stuff it down the front of his pants. There's a second good hiding place I won't mention, but it's likely occupied by a sizeable wad of cheesecloth.

About all the rest u said,makes sense only if he can A)move around freely B)Hidden the fur somewhere sneaky.

Yes, we're assuming he can move around freely — he uses flex-cuffs in a way that makes them easily escapable. Why would he choose such an insecure means of being tied to the chair, if not to take the merkin-dog for a walk?

DT's former associate Colin Fry was the helpless victim of a http://www.tonyyouens.com/PNimage.htm>horrible incident in which a bad spirit forced him to escape from his plastic ties and act like a lying, cheating fraud, only thwarted when the lights were turned on. Surely this kind of danger is reason enough to use more secure restraints?

From Victor's e-mail report:

-just three people – including one uninformed -skeptic - raised the issue that since we -can't prove the details of William’s birth -and of his death, then we should not put -value on William. WRONG!

You hear that? WRONG MICHAEL! You fail at life! No asking difficult questions about a seance littered with problems.

>>There's a second good hiding place I won't mention, but it's likely occupied by a sizeable wad of cheesecloth<<

let me guess,its somewhere where the sun don't shine right?

Lets assume a fictious scenario:

DT gets out of the restrictions put on him,gets the piece of fur from -where-ever he's hiding it mimics a bark and places the piece of fur on the legs of the correct person to whom the dog belonged.Now u tell me,how does DT know who the owner is and how does he -in the dark- know to manage his way to the correct dog-owners leg?

With regard to Bryan's questions: DT has presumably had many conversations with the sitters and knows them quite well. He also knows where they are sitting before the lights go out.

>>just three people – including one uninformed -skeptic - raised the issue that since we -can't prove the details of William’s birth -and of his death, then we should not put -value on William. WRONG!>>

Lol Cyrus,it isn't hard to guess who he means.I don't agree that we should put "value on William" as in there's no point believing in information of someone who never existed,but even if William's personal info are wrong it does not disprove the origin of the seance that it's "paranormal" in nature.

Not that I consider the likelyhood of that being possible,nor the likelyhood of it being impossible.I don't know what really is going on in there.

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