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First of all,Happy new year for you too MP. To be honest it was just getting fun with VZ participating with his comments.

Even buddhists seem to forget however that there are not 2 sides to DT's phenomena but rather 3 sides of the argument.The One who accepts the phenomena at hand being true,the one who is very sceptical and regards it as fraud and the others who don't know because they havent got enough information to form a judgement.(aka agnosts)

You and VZ debating might make for some nice,fresh new perspectives on the issue.Personally I would really love to see VZ respond to your arguments.As an agnost on DT each argument given tilts my position closer to one or the other side,not enough to form a objective conclusion but enough to raise some suspicions taking every argument in account and then seeying how probable each view is taking the conditions in thought.

Darn.

If we have to rise above it, I suppose my observation about Victor’s claim of wind instrument virtuosity amounting to an admission of being a blowhard is no longer acceptable.

Happy New Year!

"we may start to think we're engaged in a historic struggle of epic dimensions"

I have felt that way a few years back any my elder brother luckily pricked that massive self blown ego...

been a "keyboard warrior" numerous time.. its fun initially, then pointless..

better stuff to do with your hands in real life.. :)

"we may start to think we're engaged in a historic struggle of epic dimensions"

I have felt that way a few years back any my elder brother luckily pricked that massive self blown ego...

been a "keyboard warrior" numerous time.. its fun initially, then pointless..

better stuff to do with your hands in real life.. :)

"been a "keyboard warrior" numerous time.. its fun initially, then pointless.."

Funny how the world in its extraordinary and strange way; even using technology such as the Internet, is connecting all of us to an oneness of mind.

What looks like chaos I suspect is evolutionary perfection in action? I.e. perfectly imperfect.

As long as there is sense of separation from the infinite oneness we humans and even our souls will seek to diminish that gap between our perceived selves and the Absolute.

We stumble, we fall, and we trip over our egos.

Could “sin” be nothing more than missing that mark in our attempt to diminish that perceived gap? Could karma be nothing more than a universal law of cause and effect to rethink our aim?

There's a point at which further discussion becomes futile. I have a philosophy that I use with aggressive drivers, where I simply say, "You're clearly in more of a hurry than I am," and just get out of their way. I think a similar philosophy works best with most aggression I encounter, until my core principals come under attack. It's all about picking your fights. (And admittedly sometimes I pick the wrong ones.)

Happy New Year!

>I have a philosophy that I use with aggressive drivers, where I simply say, "You're clearly in more of a hurry than I am," and just get out of their way.

I do that too - sometimes. Other times, I just enjoy watching them go nuts in my rearview mirror.

Btw, I fully expect that VZ will try to bait me into continuing the debate, probably by a) calling me a coward who's running away, b) claiming that his arguments and facts are so unanswerable that I've been cowed into silence, and c) using all kinds of nasty personal invective. However, I don't intend to take the bait.

Of course, he could pleasantly surprise me by being gracious and civil. Here's hoping!

>”I have a philosophy that I use with aggressive drivers, where I simply say, "You're clearly in more of a hurry than I am," and just get out of their way.”

The first thought in my mind is usually not compassion but then I try hard to think the following: look at the mental pain they have to live with every day to get so angry over something as minuscule as a slow driver.

As I have gotten older and now retired I notice I must drive slower as I get a lot more of a single digit middle finger waving at me. I suspect I am now one of those older drivers that I used to get angry at when I was young and burning the candle on both ends and often in the middle.

What goes around appears to come around. Karma?

I have a philosophy that I use with aggressive drivers, where I simply say, "You're clearly in more of a hurry than I am," and just get out of their way.”
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It's just another way for the soul to experience duality and separation so that it can be imprinted with what it means and how it feels to be separate, unique, individual. The feelings of connectedness and oneness in the Spiritual Universe may be so overwhelming and powerful that it may not be possible to develop a separate sense of self there. Separation seems to be an inherent and inescapable property of the physical universe.
"it was though I was one with the world I knew everything I felt everything I was here and there it was as though as I one with the whole universe," - excerpt from Mani O's NDE
http://www.nderf.org/mani_o's_nde.htm

saw this on the wall of a friend tonight and thought of your post.

"never argue with a fool, people might not know the difference."

“The feelings of connectedness and oneness in the Spiritual Universe may be so overwhelming and powerful that it may not be possible to develop a separate sense of self there”

The mystics and the people that go thru mystical experience tell us very similar things. Art I am not convinced that NDE’s are a permanent condition on the other side except in rare incidences.

They appear to be like the temporal mystical experiences that people experience in this physical world. They are a temporal condition but have a lasting impact on the person’s outlook on life. One example is the loss of the fear of death for most people that have a very profound mystical experience/s and those that experience a NDE.

The entities that come thru mediums appear to have a separate sense of self. One exception was the intelligence that came thru George Wright in the book the open door. This entity that George and Nellie called the “master mind” appeared to identify more with a plane or level of intelligence than as a person or self-identity.

In the book the supreme adventure the author appears to suggest that those entities that come through mediums are either still in an earth plane of existence (Hades) or in a dimension that is very similar to earth (Summerland).

The series of dreams I had many years ago I floated over a plane of existence that was very much like earth but oh so much more beautiful. The colors were beyond anything I have known on this earth. Maybe this was that Summerland that the supreme adventure talks about. Maybe not?

Blessed New Year every one: I for one appreciated your comments and insights on this blog this past year.

Happy new year for all of you.

Michael, sorry for changing the topic, but I'd like to ask you (and your readers) about Dr.Gary Schwartz's triple blind study with mediums:
http://www.explorejournal.com/article/PIIS155083070600454X/fulltext

(If the above link is very long and you can't copy it, enter to the www.explorejournal.com website and search Gary Schwartz. You'll find the triple blind study there)

The (pseudo)skeptic's dictionary has this recent comment on it:
http://skepdic.com/essays/novelway.html

Any comments? Do you think that Caroll's criticism is good or correct in that case?

I've waiting for some time to the criticism of pseudoskeptics of that Schwartz's study. (Maybe, Hyman is "preparing" the corresponding detailed methodological criticism of Schwarzt's study...)

Dey

"never argue with a fool, people might not know the difference."
Ha! thats rich and one of my New Year's resolutions!

Lucyjane D.

The entities that come thru mediums appear to have a separate sense of self. - william
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Yes, which is my point exactly. We come here to become separate, unique, individuals. I didn't say we lose our identity once we cross back over into the Spiritual Universe. I believe we are like a piece of God. Like God is the source of that consciousness. **warning metaphor ahead** Like a giant ball of conscious light with a whole bunch of fiber optic cables sprouting off it and at the tip of each cable is a little spot of light that believes it's separate when in actuality it's a part of the light. In fact I suspicion that the reason people are sent back from NDE's is because they haven't "finished" experiencing enough duality and separation, time and space, and imprinting memories of the 3D + 1T Universe and it's obvious to those on the other side so they are sent back. They are "half baked". Maybe "too clear", not opaque enough, whatever, and it's obvious to the spirits on the other side when someone enters the Spiritual Universe who needs to be sent back and experience some more time and space and separation. Like sticking a toothpick in a cake and finding out it's not done. If it has batter stuck to it needs to go back in the oven, but if it comes out clean it's done. I think once the soul becomes separate though it isn't assimilated back into the Borg collective or Hive mind. Probably it's separate and connected at the same time, or at least that's what Mark Horton says he felt.

"I was unique yet I was the tiniest part of the whole." - excerpt from Mark Horton's NDE, http://www.nderf.org/mark_h's_nde.htm

Just out of curiosity, what exactly is the argument about? From reading this blog it would appear you (MP) are far from being one of his biggest critics. In fact you go so far as to have similar opinions in a number of subjects and being generally open minded...

Sorry if I'm asking something that should be obvious!

Luis, basically you can agree with 95% of what Victor Zammit has to say, as soon as you find something that you feel is dubious with him and take issue with him, he'll fly off the handle.

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