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This is a fascinating example of the Skeptic mind.
Thanks for posting this one.

another sceptic trying to debunk a parapsychologist how scientific not in this case.

I must admit the gold leaf lady story stretches my boggle factor. But I won't rule it out.

I would be interested to see a comprehensive study conducted by psychologists on the emotional needs which compel skeptics to present themselves as stalwart defenders of their security blanket of "truths". Science is a method of inquiry. If a scientifically derived theory does not explain all observed phenomena, it must be changed. The history of science demonstrates repeatedly that even scientifically-derived "truths" have been superceded when confronted with observations which called those truths into question, but were steadfastly clung to by those with an emotional commitment to them. Honest (and emotionally secure) skepticism does not omit inconvenient data.

"...the purported ability to produce brass foil on her body."

Just when you think you've heard it all.

Skeptics and religious fundamentalists. Two sides of the same coin entitled "only we know the truth" or “our beliefs are thee truths”.

These two groups of people are the most “dead certain” people on earth besides politicians as they hinder both human and from my point of view soul progress.

The most fascinating part is most if not all of these ultra skeptics actually believe they understand science and the scientific method. Many have made science their god. Please show me an experiment they have conducted that even resembles a valid experimental design or one that actually demonstrates they understand probability and its relationship to variation and phenomena.

Neither side has a clue they suffer from a condition known as paradigm paralysis and this condition is alive and well in the 21st century. The daunting part of life is how much does our own paradigms affect our view of the world and hinder our own soul development.

If the afore mentioned phenomenon occurs would it even be 'paranormal'? Of course, it would be a deviation from the norm, and a highly peculiar occurrence. But would the explanation not more than likely be a chemical one? Or was Braude implying the phenomenon is analogous to apports?

Please don't ask me to define 'paranormal'. I don't know how to define the term in relation to anomalous non-paranormal events, newly discovered physical processes, etc. But if the lady in question had some kind of extreme chemical imbalance then we probably wouldn't consider it paranormal, whereas if the metal was materializing we would probably use the term. However, I think these kinds of problems are a hangover from thinking of the paranormal as 'supernatural', i.e., considering paranormal events to be outside of the natural order rather than a poorly understood part of it. I think the latter term is a candidate for the most-useless-and-confusing-term-ever-invented award.

Kevin and William,

Precisely. This kind of thing is an example of what I've come to call Silverback Syndrome. A male silverback gorilla will kill its rivals, even if they are his own children, in order to protect his established territory. In the same way, people laboring under an entrenched frame of reference through which they view the world will viciously defend that frame even if it means lying, savaging friends, etc.

In this way, the supposition of knowledge becomes the deepest ignorance. One stops seeking and simply attacks. It's astonishing how these skeptics will lecture trained scientists with decades of experience on their statistical or experimental methodology. Would they do the same to someone experimenting in physics or chemistry? Of course not.

I really don't concern myself with the gyrations of the skeptics anymore, other than to laugh at and pity them.

Fascinating excerpt. I remember (and mentioned here months ago) Katy being profiled on Unsolved Mysteries. Despite the credibility to the witness (the jewelry and marijuana stories were told), the 'last word' was given to skeptics who allegedly recreated the gold leaf phenomena with spray aerosol and gold wrapping paper.

It was absurd. For the skeptic's explanation to be accepted, the people investigating Katy would have to be willing participants in a ridiculous, pointless and dangerous (to their career) fraud. Worse, by not allowing the investigators to reply to the charges, the show essentially allowed them to be called liars.

The case (and the shabby treatment) always stayed with me. I look forward to reading the book.

Just to say thanks, Micheal.

P.S. It seems our paradogmatist has missed a delightful excerpt from The Gold Leaf Lady in AntiMatters: a chapter on astrology!

(http://tinyurl.com/29wo8j)

Another P.S. This time the URL (my name) points to a copy of this post at my blog, with some comments.

Warm regards, Ulrich

Tony m: I to find it interesting that the skeptic almost always gets the last word and then almost always only deals with just one aspect of the paranormal phenomena. It appears that we humans see only what we want to see.

Maybe that is a nice definition of ignorance. Seeing only what we want to see. Beliefs and our level of conscious development appear to have a tremendous hold on our view of reality.

This is why I moved on from Dr Hora’s teachings he taught evolution of consciousness but not reincarnation. He to allowed his religious beliefs to stymie/constrict his teachings. This is so common in metaphysical teachings.

We humans appear to always be in the act of becoming but yet we are already that that is. This phenomenon is a paradox of the highest order and I suspect of the most majestic magnitude.

Silverback Syndrome is a nice analogy to use for the religious and the ultra skeptic and the Darwinist and for the liberal and for the neo con and for the atheist and for the intellectual and for the: Well you get my point.

Way to go Michael! Yeah the "silverback syndrome" is basically from humans being visually-dominant, a trait that started in 10,000 BCE with the "symbolic revolution" researched by Cauvin ("Birth of the Gods and the Origin of Agriculture," CUP, 2000).

When humans switch to "inner ear" dominance for perception then formless awareness is restored as the true definition of "territory" -- something beyond spacetime!

I should add that the "magic-wand hypothesis" is modelled by the desire or emotions in nonwestern music. 2:3, the Perfect fifth is Yang and 3:4, the Perfect Fourth is Yin. Braud uses resonance as his model for how telekinesis works.

Consider Rustom Roy's validation of radio frequencies creating fire from salt-water (in the breaking news at Fortean Times). Rustom Roy held a conference on qigong "bigu" or energy feasting through fasting.

I achieved the bigu state back in 2001 while taking classes from qigong master Chunyi Lin who maintains his bigu state (literally "without grains") and does energy healing in collaboration with the Mayo Clinic.

Nonwestern music harmonics enables total transduction of energy through ionization (a violation of the Pauli Exclusion Principle, called "autoionization" in quantum mechanics).

So by utilizing the natural harmonic nodes of the body, through a practice called "the small universe" detailed both by Mircea Eliade in his book on yoga and in Charles Luk's translation of Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality, the sound harmonics resonate into ultrasound thereby ionizing the serotonin of the stomach so that it can bypass the blood-brain barrier. Electromagnetic fields are created which actually cause water to flow from the 3rd Eye down into the roof of the mouth. The same electromagnetic fields enable telekinesis and finally are converted into light for long-distance healing which Master Chunyi Lin does all the time at his Spring Forest Qigong healing center.

"As the Antimatters reviewer notes, there are algorithms in physics that successfully predict such interactions, but the algorithms don't explain the mechanism. The mechanism itself remains mysterious – just as the mechanisms of psi are mysterious."

Why is this a controversial point? Anybody who has read David Hume is aware of this.

Ben: Hume notwithstanding, in classical physics the fact that processes are just transmogrified algorithms could be overlooked. In quantum physics the same sleight of hand simply does not work. Quantum physics provides a stronger case than Hume.

right after yesterday's 11:06 AM comment drew goes:

I should add ....

poetpiet splice n terrupts:

no you certainly damn well shouldn't have to nor should have, let alone should have felt like you should 'add'... and wouldn't have felt that way surely, if only you had any idea how repetitive you are ... oh never mind just kidding .... takes one to know one ..... we ground shifters and one trick ponies, intergalactic drifters.. .. .carry on)


by the way, how long has it been since you had an update about 2 people you probably both consider stargate conspirators
Dan Winter and Jose Arguelles?
Pardon me for noticing but you seem, though dismissive, to nevertheless have much in common (both regarding claims, interests and subject matters, methodology and who knows, career....) with them.

If you are frustrated they don't seem to weight the ingredients and aspects you have tried to bring to bear it is perhaps time for a different perspective, we are kings of hearts, the crazy fools trust us totally to bring it off unaided, singlehanded. I will convert all arm industriousness in the sense i intend it to be and you, .... well you.. .. . what do you want? Become a demystiner, a 'dominee' (minister), an ambassador to china?


Dan Winter:
http://www.goldenmean.info/heartvoice
Jose Arguelles:
http://www.lawoftime.org/GRI/rinri/rinri-III.4.1.html

drew continued:
.....that the "magic-wand hypothesis" is modelled by the desire or emotions in nonwestern music. 2:3, the Perfect fifth is Yang and 3:4, the Perfect Fourth is Yin. Braud uses resonance as his model for how telekinesis works.

ps: update your email adress goddammit

I gave the url for my new blogbook which, of course, explains in detail the problems with Jose Arguelles and Dan Winter's similar research. You can always post comments or questions there.... HA HA!!

Firstly: To put the Braude book in perspective, see Parapsychology by Rene Sudre, Citadel Press, NY, 1960.
On Katie: I saw the photos on the internet years ago. If there is "molecular teleportation" (similar to electroplating) the matter is conceptually solved [if one likes paranormal explanations].
See: http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:J1dj4A5jAcsJ:www.mysterious-america.net/experiment.html+%22Berthold+E.+Schwarz+M.D%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=20&gl=ph
What made me consider the Katie photos as real: I was studying neuroanatomy at the time that I saw them. I recognised that the "metal plating" on her face followed the ennervation pattern of one of the cranial nerves.

Whilst undertaking my BSc(Hons) Degree in Nursing i heard a very similar account of a person whose feet exuded what appeared to be gold dust. Their shoes constantly had a light coating of whatever this metallic substance was. As anyone in the medical field will tell you, the body does absorbe trace elements of all kinds of metal's throughout our life times. I suspect it is possible for it to excrete from our bodies in ways which would appear to look totally incredible, but only because we dont understand the processes behind it.
I look forward to the book with some interest.

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