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Jane Roberts, an Elmira, NY woman who, from 1963 until her death in 1984, “channeled” volumes of information from an entity calling himself Seth, wondered if her subconscious was playing some kind of trick on her, but Seth assured her that he was not a product of her subconscious. “Nor am I a secondary personality, cleverly trying to undermine a precarious ego,” Seth offered.

Seth identified himself as a departed Elmira man, “Frank Withers,” who had died during the 1940s, but later explained that “Withers” was only part of a larger entity. The name “Seth,” he further explained, better fit his entity. Additional information coming from Seth suggests a multidimensional reality that is for the most part beyond the comprehension of humans. It is a supraconscious rather than a subconscious explanation, one that is consistent with the survival of consciousness at death as well as spirit communication.

I read all the Seth books...was sad when Jane Roberts died. The information from Seth remains consistent with current research discoveries in the field (reincarnation, for one).

I was hypnotized once...but it was a very strange and uncommon experience, I think. I was a young secretary, and the hypnotist was a doctor at the hospital where I worked. Ostensibly, the purpose of the hypnosis was to put on a show for a benefit for the Bnai Brith Society (sp?). Anyway, I went through all the preliminaries..he regressed me to earlier ages, etc. During the process I noticed one thing...he told me to forget about the word he used to put me into a trance ("shaharazad"), but I didn't. I also didn't tell him that I still remembered it. The final act came when he said that the next rehearsal session was to be held in his office, after hours (he was a gynecologist...can you guess where this is going?). I arrived at the appropriate time, after hours, sat down, and he uttered the magic word. I went into a trance. At one point he told me that my arm was numbed to pain. He gave me a pin and told me to poke my arm to demonstrate this. He had to stop me from poking myself, because I was aware that I couldn't feel a thing. This must have been the place he wanted to get me to, because his next request was that I follow him into the exam room where he could do an exam. I refused, and managed to make my escape unharmed by faking a few reactions. The point I'm trying to make here is that I apparently WAS hypnotized, and yet at the same time a part of me was aware of what was going on and eventually refused to participate. What explains this?

"Are people who commune with "spirit guides" actually in touch with their own subconscious? Or do their guides speak through the subconscious simply because they encounter less interference that way? Or is the subconscious itself part of a larger spirit world that we enter only in meditation and dreams?"

The best answers to these questions can be found in "http://www.amazon.com/Revelation-Light-Robert-R-Leichtman/dp/0898041716/ref=sr_1_1/105-1335279-1111647?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186869982&sr=8-1”>The Revelation of Light" by Robert Leitchtman, MD, and Carl Japikse. My review of the book is at that link.

Sorry, for some reason the above link did not work. It can be found on amazon.com by searching for the title plus one of the authors names.

"I think that when a person is deeply hypnotized, he basically allows the hypnotist's consciousness to substitute for his own."

I don’t think there is a complete substitute but maybe an influence.

This is an interesting statement. I have read Newton’s books on life between lives and he keeps getting the same types of responses from his participants about life after this life.

But his participant’s responses do not match what others tell us what life after this life is like. Is he influencing their responses? It appears he may be.

I have been hypnotized several times and found it a wonderful experience. Did I experience past lives? Cant tell may have been my imagination as they seemed to match what I had seen in a movie and the another experience what several psychics had told me about my past lives.

Much more research needs to be done. I have read somewhere that there is a case in Australia where three women were hypnotized on a local radio show and were able to identity their names and where they were buried and then they traveled to these different locations and were able to find their gravestones from a former life.

Evidence appears to support the ability to relive some of those past life experiences. The Bridey Murphy case is a classic example of this. In depth research into this case reveals that people (even an editor of a newspaper) even succumbed to lying to discredit her and sad part is it worked. Skeptics and journalists lie; no way.

Like most of the mysteries of life more research is needed into hypnosis.

Perhaps the suggestion that the subconscious is not "intelligent" in certain ways may be misleading. Michael describes the manner in which he "fools" his subconscious into working on a writing project by asking that only two paragraphs be written:
"Now, CONSCIOUSLY, I KNOW I am playing a trick on myself. I KNOW that my REAL INTENTION is to write MORE than two paragraphs." In quoting Michael here, I have used caps to draw attention to an interesting aspect of his thinking, emphasizing that the original INTENTION to write more than two paragraphs may well have initiated IN THE SUBCONSCIOUS ITSELF. Those of us who have read Irreducible Mind and other researches which have addressed the problem of "intention" will understand what I am getting at. This could well be another case of the subconscious doing the "fooling", using subtle suggestions to get ITS writing done and making the conscious mind believe it had originated the intent. I've personally experienced a similar occurance with my paintings and, I don't wonder, with contributing to blog threads which deal with aspects of the subconscious. Who's driving this bus?

Bill W,

Your link didn't work because there are two sets of quotation marks at the beginning and end of your URL on the page source. It reads: a href="”http://www.am.....8-1”". (I have cut out most of the URL so you can read it.) The correct quotation marks to add look like little lines '' not little commas “”. I didn't add any in my example for JoeMB and the link worked OK anyway. Just press preview before you post, hold your mouse over the link, and you can tell if the link has worked because it will show up in the bottom of your web browser. Have a play around, practice a bit, and you will get a feel for what you are doing. It took me a few hours and several mistakes before I could do it properly. You may have a problem with the quotation marks if you write your comments in a word processor first, a simple text editor worked better for me. But like I said, have a play.

p.s. - Michael, please let me know if you find these technical comments an annoyance, and I will stop.

>This could well be another case of the subconscious doing the "fooling", using subtle suggestions to get ITS writing done and making the conscious mind believe it had originated the intent.

Interesting. I hadn't thought of it that way, but it is possible. I do believe that creativity comes largely from the subconscious (which may or may not involve some access to "spiritual" dimensions/information). It's almost as if the writer or artist or creative scientist, etc., is only a conduit for ideas that come from another source. Maybe "channeling," in the broadest sense, is more common than we realize.

>please let me know if you find these technical comments an annoyance, and I will stop.

No, it's fine with me. I wish Typepad made it easier for people to add links, italics, and so forth. They're a little behind the curve.

P.S. When I said, "They're a little behind the curve," I was referring to Typepad, not the commenters!

Michael wrote: I do believe that creativity comes largely from the subconscious (which may or may not involve some access to "spiritual" dimensions/information).

My experience with writing poetry is that it feels like a dance, with the ideas "bubbling up" from the subconscious and the concious correcting/censoring them, returning suggestions; back and forth, over and over. Also, in my experience, the conscious has an over-inflated sense of it's abilities; too much conscious control destroys the flow but too little doesn't get the point across.

Judy wrote: The point I'm trying to make here is that I apparently WAS hypnotized, and yet at the same time a part of me was aware of what was going on and eventually refused to participate. What explains this?

Your subconscious figured out what the hypnotist really wanted and said "no way, bud".

>I wish Typepad made it easier for people to add links, italics, and so forth

Maybe you could enable markdown. The basics of the syntax can be found here. Also, here can be found some tips on basic HTML.

However, I still think the easiest way to learn is to view the page source with Firefox and just copy the syntax displayed.

"For instance, one way I motivate myself to write is to tell myself that I have to do just two paragraphs."

How true that the subconscious will believe almost anything we tell it. I often do my best writing when I tell myself it's only a journal entry or I'm just figuring out what I think or feel on paper.

I've read that the reason political propaganda and mud-slinging works is that if we read or hear something in the news we tend to believe it, even if we later see a detraction or rebuttal that makes sense.

I've puzzled for a long time over channeling, even tried it myself with no results that I could say for sure weren't my subconscious or imagination. I don't trust my vivid imagination not to be hard at work in that process, since I'm not even sure in my fiction writing where exactly my characters come from.

But there have been things that have come to me through dreams or what seemed to be a whisper in my ear that I couldn't know and turned out to be absolutely true, and advice that I wouldn't have thought of that turned out to be excellent. So I just don't know about spirit guides. . .

I think the best way to read channeled material is to read it as if the person claiming to have channeled it wrote it himself, then determine through my best judgment whether that person could've come up with it himself or it reads as someone else. It's the tongue-in-cheek approach, I suppose. But if there's wisdom in the writing, does it really matter who it's from? I'm not going to commit suicide to get carried away by space brothers because someone I don't know (or even anyone I do know) says so -- that would be foolish. But some people aren't apparently able to use good judgment in the face of "channeled" or directly provided advice.

I think it's dangerous to give anyone undue authority over my life, whether a religious leader in a widely accepted church, or the corner psychic with the giant hand out in front of his shop. I may even pay for such advice. In fact I tithed to a church for a few years, but that doesn't mean anyone else's is the last word in how I live my life. That's my responsibility, though I sometimes wish it weren't, when I make a really big goof.

As Michael points out, it is the SOURCE of our creative intuitions which is the real fascinating question, and one which bears so closely upon the questions about the nature of mind and its seeming connections (under whatever control) with this source. While my creative inspirations have often surprised me, the precognitive dreams are the ones which most shook me, which made me literally sit down and say "Whoa...". These experiences also bear upon what we consider to be physical reality (a word I increasingly hesitate to use), as it appears that mentation plays the germinating role in the all of everything, like some kind of mobius strip of existence. Is there any "real" boundry between what is perceived and what is perceiving? When we react to any stimulus (behaviorists, take heed), are we seeing the result of subconscious intent, particularly in those moments when there is no time for conscious deliberation? When creative inspirations or sudden responses flash forth, I can most believe in the concept of "fate", the notion of a guided predestination to situations where conscious choices can be made, later to be reviewed in that "everwhen" which has been reported in the Near Death Experience. It makes me think that, in life, school is ALWAYS in session.

Hope no one minds if I get off subject for a bit but something happened just now that suggests to me that there is more going on in this world than meets the eye.

A few minutes ago I was sending an email to a friend with a link to the interview that Matthew did with Michael on life after death.

Well as I was sending the email I got an email from my brother that my mom has just passed. She was in a nursing home but not that ill to my knowledge.

Well here is the strange part she passed at the exact time I was riding my bicycle around my block for several laps for exercise. Yes I live in a very safe neighborhood.

The entire time I was riding tonight I was thinking about what I would say at her funeral. Hate to admit that but that is what kept going through my mind. Could not get this off my mind. I was trying to decide what I was going to say about her life.

To my knowledge she was not ill but she had been heavy on my mind all day. If I did not post this tonight I know I would not tomorrow.

Some will call this coincidence some might think I made this up but my mom has been in a nursing home for years and it appears this may be more than coincidence.

Hope this is appropriate to post.

My sympathies on the loss of your mom.

William, I am sorry to hear about your mom. You have my sympathies also. A lot of high strangeness occurs in relation to death, particularly with family members. When people you trust tell you things that have happened, it can be more convincing than any amount of reading.

Ryan and Michael: thanks for the compassion shown. The story even gets stranger this morning I did not realize it but my mom died on my dad's birthday. As his birthday was aug 13. And she died at 2:45 am aug 13.

I used to ask her if she ever saw my dad after he died and she said yes once when she woke up in the middle of an afternoon nap he was standing there with his hand out saying to her come on it is time to go but she did not go. Guess she had some unfinished business to do on this earth.

When she was very ill and near death several years ago I asked her the same question about seeing my dad and she just said “sometimes” and that was all she said just the one word “sometimes”.

Sorry for your loss. Thanks for sharing, William.

Ryan and Michael: thanks for the compassion shown. The story even gets stranger this morning I did not realize it but my mom died on my dad's birthday. As his birthday was aug 13. And she died at 2:45 am aug 13.
- Matthew

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Little synchronicity for me. My mom's birthday also was August 13th. She was born on August 13, 1917 in Bochum, Germany. She would have been 90 years old this year if she were still alive. She died in California on September 14, 1968.

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