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Women write about relationships, men write about action.

A female teacher I know said she had the girls read relationship stuff like "Pride and Prejudice" because they hated the boy's action stuff, and the boys hated the girlie relationship stuff.

I could always tell Harry Potter was written by a womea because it was about relationships, and the action parts in it weren't very good.

There you go again, using me for a guinea pig! Sheesh! Who told you that stuff about aloofness? Hmmm? You and I gravitate to the same kind of female character in some ways. Our characters would play Martian Solitaire.

But I guess, since I'm a girl, I can do Jimmy Choo and capuccino better than you - not! :)

I can't do girly-girl any more than you can. And I've got the slumping numbers to prove it.

Also, I don't agree that men don't write about relationships. Read a Michael Connelly novel. Read a Crais novel. Read a James Ellroy novel. Bob, that's a broad brush you're painting both men and women with. And if you've never read the bloody parts of a Nevada Barr novel, you don't know what it's like to go all the way--- in pure action. Also, if you think women can't write action, read Tess Gerritsen's VANISH.

I wasn't speaking as things being either/or, just in generalities. It's why women read romance novels. I've never met a man who did. I've also never met a woman who read Ian Fleming, or Mickey Spillance, or "The Executioner" or Matt Helm series.

MP, Please DO NOT try to write like Faye Kellerman! Her characters are rather insipid. I know I can't get involved with any of them.
You are not that kind of writer, as you say. You are a better writer!
Keep on keeping on, and stay original! Di

Bob, I devoured the Ian Fleming series in my twenties. I may have read some of the others you mentioned, I'm just not sure. I find that women are more likely to read men's fiction than men are to read fiction by a woman.

Hi Jake.

MP, good blog.

To Bob:
I read Ian Fleming , Mickey Spillance, Dick Francis, and many others for years.
Some women are tomboy types, and saccharin-sweetness just does not turn me on. I much prefer blood, guts, and reality.
All women are not painted with the same stripe.I would not read a love story if my life depended on it. I am also not interested in Jimmy Choo shoes or frappes.I would rather go fishing! Diana

MP,
>Then she goes to lunch with a female friend and they talk about their boyfriends and how neither guy will commit. They order lobster roll croissant sandwiches. They finish up with cappuccinos. They are regular, normal, real people with real emotions that are very normal and genuine and real.<

No offense, but that sounds more like an episode of Sex in the City than "real people with real emotions, etc". I could be wrong but I don't think most women are as obsessed with boyfriends who won't commit or men in general as those TV characters were. On the contrary I can only think of one woman who I used to work with that had that problem, every other female friend I've had always had the opposite problem, men who made pests of themselves who we didn't want to commit to. Everytime I see that "He's Just Not That Into You" guy on TV I wonder, where is he finding these women who are so hard up and have no pride? Sheesh, ladies get a grip. Women don't just talk about men, romance, clothes, and shallow stuff like that when we get together. In fact I pretty much talk about the same variety of topics with my male friends or in mixed company that I talk about with just my female friends. Of course there's a difference but not that much. I'd suggest rather than those shallow conversations, characters with real interests combined with quirks like the rest of us would be more appealing. All of that can be incorporated into the suspense without chasing rabbits.
I agree that men generally might be more interested in chase scenes and violence, I always skip over all of that when reading or watching TV. When I was younger I read Romance but now I avoid that like the plague, too. I also detest police geek-speak and skip over all codes and anything of that nature. It differs from area to area across the country and the world anyway and I lost interest in it long ago. Another thing I hate is characters who bicker all the way through a book or film, too soap-operish and unreal.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents for what it's worth :)

>MP, Please DO NOT try to write like Faye Kellerman! Her characters are rather insipid. I know I can't get involved with any of them.

I prefer Jonathan Kellerman to Faye, but both of them are talented writers, IMO. And Faye sells way more books than I do!

However, I can't write like Faye (or Jonathan either), so it's a moot point.

>No offense, but that sounds more like an episode of Sex in the City than "real people with real emotions, etc".

That's probably part of the problem - what do I know about "girl talk," anyway? Not much, so it's going to come across as phony. But it wasn't just the dialogue, it was the whole situation. It just felt wrong. Maybe if they hadn't ordered cappuccinos ...

Should have stuck closer to home, MP. Mexican food and margaritas at Papagayo. Now THAT'S believable!

Neither one of you needs to change a single thing about the way you write. That's my verdict, well considered.....later, Di

Di, did we mention we collectively love you?

MP,
I meant to also say this is EXCELLENT:
>I had her taking a self defense class just to stay in shape now that she has hit thirty. <
I hope you leave that in, it's very realistic and humanizes the character.

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